181pl Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/02/05/drug-trafficker-back-federal-court-obama-commuted-drug-sentence/ Trump is trying to stop drug cartels and violence. Obama commuting sentences for drug traffickers. Here is one of his boys getting busted with 2 keys of flake after Obammy let him out. Conservatives/Trump = an attempt to return to a moral and prosperous society. Liberalism/Obama = chaos and degeneration of society. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LOSer Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 It's a distinction I'd be proud to make if I was Obama. Commuting the sentences of hundreds of nonviolent drug-offenders. Jailing drug dealers doesn't stop the use of drugs. The war on drugs has been an unmitigated failure. Time for old, cranky men to stop with the charade and start thinking more constructively. There's nothing moral about your position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
181pl Posted February 7, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 I didn't mind Obama correcting "over-sentencing". I don't think that's the issue with a lot of these guys. Many of the guys he let out were convicted of multiple drug dealing/trafficking offenses. I'm not for creating a "prison society" for drug users but I am for repeat drug dealers and drug traffickers who peddle dangerous poisons to our youth. I'm not talking about cannabis either. I'm talking hard stuff and prescription drugs. The killers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
181pl Posted February 7, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 1 hour ago, LOSer said: It's a distinction I'd be proud to make if I was Obama. Commuting the sentences of hundreds of nonviolent drug-offenders. Jailing drug dealers doesn't stop the use of drugs. The war on drugs has been an unmitigated failure. Time for old, cranky men to stop with the charade and start thinking more constructively. There's nothing moral about your position. Your a complete F'in moron (obviously). If you've ever dealt with the destruction of addiction you'd know better. Removing the source (cartels and dealers) is a big step. Doesn't mean that people with addictive personalities won't find something else, but if you can help remove some of the temptation and danger, it has to help. Again LOSer, get out of your bubble. Go walk around the projects and poor neighborhoods in Miami and then get back on here and talk your stupid sh*te. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noonereal Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 3 minutes ago, 181pl said: I didn't mind Obama correcting "over-sentencing". I don't think that's the issue with a lot of these guys. Many of the guys he let out were convicted of multiple drug dealing/trafficking offenses. I'm not for creating a "prison society" for drug users but I am for repeat drug dealers and drug traffickers who peddle dangerous poisons to our youth. I'm not talking about cannabis either. I'm talking hard stuff and prescription drugs. The killers. it all kills like your alcohol and tabaco legalize it has proven to be the best course Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
181pl Posted February 7, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 Wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noonereal Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 2 minutes ago, 181pl said: Your a complete F'in moron (obviously). If you've ever dealt with the destruction of addiction you'd know better. Removing the source (cartels and dealers) is a big step. and how do you do that? Can't be more aggressive than Ray-gun was and what did that do? We got more crack, a worse during, than ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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181pl Posted February 7, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 Just now, noonereal said: and how do you do that? Can't be more aggressive than Ray-gun was and what did that do? We got more crack, a worse during, than ever. Have to combat the stuff that comes in at the border (the wall, better security in ports and airports, etc.). Tough sentences for drug "dealers". For major dealers, if you can tie them to a foreign cartel, deport them to those places for prosecution and sentencing and revoke their citizenship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
181pl Posted February 7, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 4 minutes ago, noonereal said: it all kills like your alcohol and tabaco legalize it has proven to be the best course There would always be a cheaper black market. This would escalate violence. Also, the last thing we need are 20,000 pages of govt. regulation about recreational drugs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noonereal Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 1 minute ago, 181pl said: There would always be a cheaper black market. This would escalate violence. Also, the last thing we need are 20,000 pages of govt. regulation about recreational drugs. OMFG You mean like the cheap booze that is killing people today? (clue, when it was illegal, it WAS killing people) The last thing we need are emotional, unseasoned, unaware, people making poor decisions, like the one's you advocate. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noonereal Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 1 minute ago, 181pl said: Have to combat the stuff that comes in at the border (the wall, better security in ports and airports, etc.). Tough sentences for drug "dealers". For major dealers, if you can tie them to a foreign cartel, deport them to those places for prosecution and sentencing and revoke their citizenship. Do you have a clue? Ray-Gun fought it in the jungles of South aMERICAN, even before it hit the boarders. His sentences are the harshest even imposed. Quite literally only immediate public execution would be tougher. You know what, forget it. This proved (if there had been any doubt) that you have no clue what you are talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noonereal Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 why do people who know so little advocate so loudly? Mind blowing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
181pl Posted February 7, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 8 minutes ago, noonereal said: OMFG You mean like the cheap booze that is killing people today? (clue, when it was illegal, it WAS killing people) The last thing we need are emotional, unseasoned, unaware, people making poor decisions, like the one's you advocate. Ridiculous statement. It is never a poor decision to stop the flow of drugs into this country. I'm certainly not a teetotler. I've had my fun. I'm fortunate not to have an addictive personality. Many of my friends, a brother in law, and close family member were not so lucky. Got them probably a combined 75 years in prison sentences, poverty, and despair. Drug addiction often leads to crimes committed by the addict. Besides that, I went to HS with a kid who got hooked on crack and murdered his room mate and his room mate's relative. For $300.00. At 23 y.o. Been serving a natural life sentence since 1991. He will die is prison. Came from a good family. Was not a violent person. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
181pl Posted February 7, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 In a past life I was a public defender and I had to deal with dual diagnosis all the time (addict and mental defect). Did so many sentencing hearings where the person may have had a shot in life if he/she didn't get his hands on crack. Now, 20 years later, there is meth, heroin made a huge come back, and the worst problem of all, pills. So don't get preachy with me. I've seen it first hand. Over and over and over and over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
181pl Posted February 7, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 5 minutes ago, noonereal said: why do people who know so little advocate so loudly? Mind blowing. See above, jack ass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noonereal Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 3 minutes ago, 181pl said: In a past life I was a public defender and I had to deal with dual diagnosis all the time (addict and mental defect). Did so many sentencing hearings where the person may have had a shot in life if he/she didn't get his hands on crack. Now, 20 years later, there is meth, heroin made a huge come back, and the worst problem of all, pills. So don't get preachy with me. I've seen it first hand. Over and over and over and over. sorry, not impressed. hope this helps! (you did not speak to my assertion that basically no more could be done than what Ray-Gun did and it was an abject failure, speak to this with your experience and then you'll gain my respect.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
181pl Posted February 7, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 11 minutes ago, noonereal said: sorry, not impressed. hope this helps! (you did not speak to my assertion that basically no more could be done than what Ray-Gun did and it was an abject failure, speak to this with your experience and then you'll gain my respect.) Clearly not impressed with your lack of logic and lack of pragmatic thinking. Just another scum bag liberal I guess. Hope this helps! BTW, same guy. About 10 years apart. Coke, meth, and alcholism. Used to make big $. Now he lives on the street. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LOSer Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 1 hour ago, Drummer61 said: What is your solution and sentencing for drug dealers ?? Address demand. Stop wasting time and resources on the supply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LOSer Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 1 hour ago, 181pl said: I didn't mind Obama correcting "over-sentencing". I don't think that's the issue with a lot of these guys. That's entirely what it is. The fact that someone who has their sentence commuted and then gets arrested again for the same thing doesn't make Obama's actions any less purposeful. The guy is still being arrested for a non-violent crime and being sentence to violent crime prison terms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LOSer Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 1 hour ago, 181pl said: I'm talking hard stuff and prescription drugs. The killers. So you are ostensibly in favor of arresting pharmacists and pill pushers at your local Publix? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LOSer Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 1 hour ago, 181pl said: Your a complete F'in moron (obviously). Yeah, go to the court of public opinion and see how far you get with that. I'm sure that you're just brilliant and aren't a moron. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LOSer Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 1 hour ago, 181pl said: If you've ever dealt with the destruction of addiction you'd know better. Removing the source (cartels and dealers) is a big step. Says someone who defends politicians and an ideology that has no interest at all in addiction treatment or rehab. Talk about a clown deluxe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LOSer Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 1 hour ago, 181pl said: Again LOSer, get out of your bubble. Irony thy name is 181pl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LOSer Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 59 minutes ago, noonereal said: Can't be more aggressive than Ray-gun was and what did that do? We got more crack, a worse during, than ever. Nothing. The drug war is a complete disaster. But 181pl wants to get tougher and crackdown even more because people like him don't know nuance. If cracking down doesn't work then just crack down harder, man! He's like the character Peck in Tropic Thunder. "If he cries then you cry HARDER, man" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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