Sammyswordsman Posted September 11, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2018 1 minute ago, Belly Bob said: For the record, that was my point. See below. Wrong and whatever the hell the cart thing means. Prolly wrong as well 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CCBlackhatter Posted September 12, 2018 Report Share Posted September 12, 2018 37 minutes ago, Belly Bob said: For the record, that was my point. See below. Sammy struggles with constructive criticism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wosinc Posted September 12, 2018 Report Share Posted September 12, 2018 19 hours ago, Sammyswordsman said: LOL Not only would that be exhausting, but it also misses the entire point about Tiers in HS Football. The idea is that there is clear separation between HS teams that is not readily apparent by looking at W/L records or numerical rankings. For Example in 2017 even though BC was a State Champion and Top 20 team, there was no chance in hell they (as a Tier 3 team) had a chance to beat Tier 1 Mater Dei. The gap between those Tiers was so expanisve, that BC could not ever make that leap. Not missing any points. I get the tiers. I’m probably your biggest fan of the tiers. It was a joke, for cripes sake. BB made a comment about expanding the tiers to create a more finely-grained product. I just took it to a ridiculous extreme. BB got it, sorry you missed the point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted September 12, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2018 Just now, Wosinc said: Not missing any points. I get the tiers. I’m probably your biggest fan of the tiers. It was a joke, for cripes sake. BB made a comment about expanding the tiers to create a more finely-grained product. I just took it to a ridiculous extreme. BB got it, sorry you missed the point. Lol. Sorry the joke musta flew under my head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wosinc Posted September 12, 2018 Report Share Posted September 12, 2018 28 minutes ago, Sammyswordsman said: Lol. Sorry the joke musta flew under my head. Don’t be sorry, be careful ... 🤠 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belly Bob Posted September 12, 2018 Report Share Posted September 12, 2018 1 hour ago, Wosinc said: Not missing any points. I get the tiers. I’m probably your biggest fan of the tiers. It was a joke, for cripes sake. BB made a comment about expanding the tiers to create a more finely-grained product. I just took it to a ridiculous extreme. BB got it, sorry you missed the point. Wait a second. The joke was on me? My point was that I wanted fewer tiers so that they would be more coarse-grained. I thought that your joke was aimed at Sammy for having too many tiers. I guess I need to reevaluate who my enemies are. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wosinc Posted September 12, 2018 Report Share Posted September 12, 2018 5 minutes ago, Belly Bob said: Wait a second. The joke was on me? My point was that I wanted fewer tiers so that they would be more coarse-grained. I thought that your joke was aimed at Sammy for having too many tiers. I guess I need to reevaluate who my enemies are. I totally misconstrued your point. I thought you were advocating more tiers, not fewer. Jokes on me. Still friends ... ? 😢 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CCBlackhatter Posted September 12, 2018 Report Share Posted September 12, 2018 4 hours ago, LiberalDonaldTrump said: Sammy just put them in tier 1 already so they stop crying 😢... I never seen a team wanna be ranked so bad nationally but Refuse to play anyone out of state with a Pulse I assume this is in reference to Colquitt. I've not lobbied for or against their placement. I've only offered fair and factual critiques of a few teams that are erroneously positioned according to Sammy's defined methods of evaluation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted September 12, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2018 9 minutes ago, CCBlackhatter said: I assume this is in reference to Colquitt. I've not lobbied for or against their placement. I've only offered fair and factual critiques of a few teams that are erroneously positioned according to Sammy's defined methods of evaluation. Ok so I’ll add another metric d. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, ..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CCBlackhatter Posted September 12, 2018 Report Share Posted September 12, 2018 21 minutes ago, Sammyswordsman said: Ok so I’ll add another metric d. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, ..... ....... Then it must be a duck that doesn't know shit about tiers? Sammy, stop quacking damn it! 🤣🤣 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CCBlackhatter Posted September 12, 2018 Report Share Posted September 12, 2018 This kid just "quacks" me up with his tier-ing nonsense. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
954gator Posted September 12, 2018 Report Share Posted September 12, 2018 1 hour ago, Sammyswordsman said: Ok so I’ll add another metric d. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, ..... Sadly I’ve seen ducks pull trucks. @Omaha Vol can back me up here! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted September 12, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2018 10 hours ago, 954gator said: Sadly I’ve seen ducks pull trucks. @Omaha Vol can back me up here! So how come you aren't complaining about Carol City anymore? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
954gator Posted September 12, 2018 Report Share Posted September 12, 2018 8 minutes ago, Sammyswordsman said: So how come you aren't complaining about Carol City anymore? Lol an that was a random college football joke with the duck. https://www.wfmynews2.com/article/sports/college/so-whats-a-duck-pulling-a-truck-got-to-do-with-gators-vols/325041801 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
954gator Posted September 12, 2018 Report Share Posted September 12, 2018 11 minutes ago, Sammyswordsman said: So how come you aren't complaining about Carol City anymore? I only complained they were in tier 3 by the way. Hard to tell if they are tier1 or not. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omaha Vol Posted September 12, 2018 Report Share Posted September 12, 2018 16 hours ago, 954gator said: Sadly I’ve seen ducks pull trucks. @Omaha Vol can back me up here! I hate to say it, but my Vols will find a way to lose to Florida....AGAIN! That’s what we do best. We are not good this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
954gator Posted September 12, 2018 Report Share Posted September 12, 2018 38 minutes ago, Omaha Vol said: I hate to say it, but my Vols will find a way to lose to Florida....AGAIN! That’s what we do best. We are not good this year. Dude we looked bad. I mean it’s obvious that Kentucky is simply tier 1 this year 😂. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted September 16, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 16, 2018 Members 2,185 4,574 posts Report post Posted September 1 Tier 1 - Mater Dei, IMG, STA, SJB, Allen, SJC Tier 2 - Lake Travis, St. Louis, DLS, North shore (tx), SFA, Mentor, Colquitt County, Cen10, Miami Central, Carol City, ULAB Tier 3 - Colerain, Katy, Rome, Milton, Folsom, Bishop Gorman, Centennieal AZ, Archer, Grayson, Arch Bishop Hoban, Deerfield Beach Bergen Catholic, SJP, SPP, Mission Viejo. Pickerington Central, Jokes Christian, JSerra, Tier 4 - Converse Judson Tx, , Katy, OLU, Lincoln Way East (IL), Dematha, Cardinal Gibbons, American Heritage Plantation, Marietta, St. IGGY, St. Edwards, Warren Central, Gonzaga. Aledo, Columbia FL, Walton , Chandler, Bingham, Buford Tier 5 - SJR, Blessed Trinity (Ga), Muskegon (Mi), East (SLC), Loyola Academy (IL), Miami Northwestern, Lee County, Good Council, North Gwinett, Phillips (IL), Duncanville (Tx). Tier 6 - DBP, John Curtis, Arch Bishop Rummel, Lowndes, Cajon Ca, Serra Gardena, Liberty NV, Saguaro, Trinity*, ST. X, Bishop Dunne, *teams will not be considered to be in a Tier until they score a point ( if they have played a game). Below is an explanation of the Methodolgy used to place the teams on various Tiers. The Tier concept recognizes that W/L records are a function of quality of opponent, and as such, RELEVANCY of opponent MUST be factored in. The Tiers recognizes that in some cases, a 10-0 team (ranked in Top 100 by some outlets) could get blown off the field by a 5-5 (unranked) team that played a tougher schedule. This is why the Tiers was created. *Not attempting to rank every team, only the ones we discuss on this site. * The Tiers are fluid and subject to extreme fluctuations early in the year, leveling out as the year progresses. *Tier placements consider a teams entire body of work, however are weighted heaviest on recent games and game weights decrease in significance in reverse order. In other words, early road OOS losses to relevant teams can be overcome as the season progresses. *Teams placed on the same Tier can compete with other same Tier teams and possibly win 2+ of 10. *Basically there is a -10 point drop between tiers. Could vary from a TD to 3 scores depending on the styles of teams playing. This does not necessarily mean that there is a 30 point difference between Tier 1 and Tier 3, only that the chances of a Tier 3 team beating a Tier 1 team are exponentially less than the chances of a Tier 2 Team beating a Tier 1 team. *The Tiers will ultimately be made up of (16) teams per Tier that would form competitive playoff brackets. *Texas teams generally have not played enough OOS games to gauge properly #crapshoot. There must be a daisy chain OOS connection for a reference point. Teams with no OOS daisy chain connection may not be placed on a Tier. (Texas exempt) *Tiers are based on exhaustive research, Multiple games watched, and good gut feelings. *This is a crowd sourced rating. All input will be considered and adjustments will be made as appropriate 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodchopper Posted September 16, 2018 Report Share Posted September 16, 2018 41 minutes ago, Sammyswordsman said: Members 2,185 4,574 posts Report post Posted September 1 Tier 1 - Mater Dei, IMG, STA, SJB, Allen, SJC Tier 2 - Lake Travis, St. Louis, DLS, Bingham, North shore (tx), SFA, Mentor, Colquitt County, Cen10, Miami Central, Carol City, ULAB Tier 3 - Colerain, Katy, Rome, Milton, Folsom, Bishop Gorman, Centennieal AZ, Archer, Grayson, Arch Bishop Hoban, Deerfield Beach Bergen Catholic, SJP, SPP, Mission Viejo. Pickerington Central, Jokes Christian, JSerra Tier 4 - Converse Judson Tx, , Katy, OLU, Lincoln Way East (IL), Dematha, Cardinal Gibbons, American Heritage Plantation, Marietta, St. IGGY, St. Edwards, Warren Central, Gonzaga. Aledo, Columbia FL, Walton Tier 5 - SJR, Buford, Blessed Trinity (Ga), Muskegon (Mi), East (SLC), Loyola Academy (IL), Walton, Chandler, Miami Northwestern, Lee County, Good Council, North Gwinett, Phillips (IL), Duncanville (Tx). Tier 6 - DBP, John Curtis, Arch Bishop Rummel, Lowndes, Santa Margarita, Cajon Ca, Serra Gardena, Liberty NV, Saguaro, Trinity*, ST. X, Bishop Dunne, *teams will not be considered to be in a Tier until they score a point ( if they have played a game). Below is an explanation of the Methodolgy used to place the teams on various Tiers. The Tier concept recognizes that W/L records are a function of quality of opponent, and as such, RELEVANCY of opponent MUST be factored in. The Tiers recognizes that in some cases, a 10-0 team (ranked in Top 100 by some outlets) could get blown off the field by a 5-5 (unranked) team that played a tougher schedule. This is why the Tiers was created. *Not attempting to rank every team, only the ones we discuss on this site. * The Tiers are fluid and subject to extreme fluctuations early in the year, leveling out as the year progresses. *Tier placements consider a teams entire body of work, however are weighted heaviest on recent games and game weights decrease in significance in reverse order. In other words, early road OOS losses to relevant teams can be overcome as the season progresses. *Teams placed on the same Tier can compete with other same Tier teams and possibly win 2+ of 10. *Basically there is a -10 point drop between tiers. Could vary from 7 to 21 depending on the styles of teams playing. This does not necessarily mean that there is a 30 point difference between Tier 1 and Tier 3, only that the chances of a Tier 3 team beating a Tier 1 team are exponentially less than the chances of a Tier 2 Team beating a Tier 1 team. *The Tiers will ultimately be made up of (16) teams per Tier that would form competitive playoff brackets. *Texas teams generally have not played enough OOS games to gauge properly #crapshoot. There must be a daisy chain OOS connection for a reference point. Teams with no OOS daisy chain connection may not be placed on a Tier. (Texas exempt) *Tiers are based on exhaustive research, Multiple games watched, and good gut feelings. *This is a crowd sourced rating. All input will be considered and adjustments will be made as appropriate Milton lost to Roswell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted September 16, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 16, 2018 51 minutes ago, Woodchopper said: Milton lost to Roswell. They hangin. Archer, Milton, Roswell. All look pretty good and pretty competitive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUFORDGAWOLVES Posted September 16, 2018 Report Share Posted September 16, 2018 WTF Sammy, thought we agreed to keep Buford off the tiers until proven? I mean especially since you think Walton is the shit this week. Regards BGW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AztecPadre Posted September 16, 2018 Report Share Posted September 16, 2018 5 hours ago, BraceFace69 said: Where’s folsom? Somewhere in the northern part of Cali. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiberalDonaldTrump Posted September 16, 2018 Report Share Posted September 16, 2018 5 hours ago, BraceFace69 said: Where’s folsom? He’s occupied trying to figure how you make a new screen name without every body finding out it’s him ... he’s trying to Start over but I won’t allow it @FolsomPrisonBlues @FolsomStateTitles @TheBlockIsHot @ServiteTier6Irrelevant @Tommy 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StingMan44 Posted September 16, 2018 Report Share Posted September 16, 2018 Really? Another pedestrian performance (3 pt win) for Bingham and they move back up to tier 2?!?!? Wow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted September 16, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 16, 2018 9 minutes ago, StingMan44 said: Really? Another pedestrian performance (3 pt win) for Bingham and they move back up to tier 2?!?!? Wow Good catch on Bingham. I rushed to release this yesterday afternoon because I am attending a Steeler game party early today. After releasing the Tiers, the Santa Margarita vs. Orem score came in. So Bingham has been moved to Tier 4. Santa Margarita is out of the Tiers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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