2018 Tier Placement - Final

[Sammyswordsman]

6 minutes ago, Belly Bob said:

 

This week SJC beats MC. 

Next week Marietta gets some players back and puts up a fight against SJC, and MC beats tier 1 STA.

Now MC is tier 2 and SJC is tier 3.

 

 

Exactly.  You made my point.  Now you are starting to get it.

This week MC beat Tier 1 STA

This week SJC struggled vs Tier 4 Marietta.

A true Tier 1 or 2 team would have blown out 1-4 Marietta

 

 

[Belly Bob]

6 minutes ago, Sammyswordsman said:

Exactly.  You made my point.  Now you are starting to get it.

This week MC beat Tier 1 STA

This week Marietta struggled vs Tier 4 Marietta.

A true Tier 1 or 2 team would have blown out 1-4 Marietta.

But a true tier 2 team would lose to a true tier 3 team just last week?

Strange stuff. 

Has it occurred to you that last week's placements might not have been correct? 

[HawgGoneIt]

2 minutes ago, Belly Bob said:

But a true tier 2 would lose to a true tier 3 team just last week?

Strange stuff. 

Has it occurred to you that last week's placements might not have been correct? 

*GASP* 

[Sammyswordsman]

1 minute ago, Belly Bob said:

But a true tier 2 team would lose to a true tier 3 team just last week?

Strange stuff. 

Has it occurred to you that last week's placements might not have been correct? 

SJC and MC were very evenly matched that week at SJC.  Tied at end of regulation, multiple overtimes.

After that game concluded, MC went on to thrash STA, and SJC struggled vs 1-4 Marietta.  One team is trending up, one team is trending down.  MC also has the better win (outside of their evenly matched game together)

[Sammyswordsman]

2 minutes ago, HawgGoneIt said:

*GASP* 

Nevah!!!

[Belly Bob]

Just now, Sammyswordsman said:

SJC and MC were very evenly matched that week at SJC.  Tied at end of regulation, multiple overtimes.

After that game concluded, MC went on to thrash STA, and SJC struggled vs 1-4 Marietta.  One team is trending up, one team is trending down.  MC also has the better win (outside of their evenly matched game together)

That was some week of practice, eh? 

[Sammyswordsman]

5 minutes ago, Belly Bob said:

But a true tier 2 team would lose to a true tier 3 team just last week?

Strange stuff. 

Has it occurred to you that last week's placements might not have been correct? 

I don't see that game as either team losing.  Tie in regulation, multiple overtimes, game at SJC.  etc. etc. etc.

[Sammyswordsman]

3 minutes ago, Belly Bob said:

That was some week of practice, eh? 

 

 

[Sammyswordsman]

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Posted September 23

Tier 1 - Mater Dei, IMG, 

 

Tier 2 -  Lake Travis, St. Louis, North shore (tx),  SFA,  Cen10, Miami Central, Carol City,  SJB, SJC, Allen, Collquitt County, Mentor (OH), Deerfield Beach, 

 

Tier 3 -  Rome,  Centennial AZ, DLS, ULAB, Gonzaga, Folsom, Mission Viejo, SJR, JSerra, Colerain, St. Edwards, Cass Tech (MI), Arch Bishop Hoban, STA, Lincoln Way East (IL), Aledo, Muskegon (MI), John Curtis,  SJP

 

Tier 4 - Converse Judson Tx, Katy,  American Heritage Plantation, Warren Central, Pickerington Central, Jokes Christian,   Milton,  SPP, De Paul, Good Council, Blessed Trinity (Ga), St. Iggy,  West Monroe, Chandler (AZ), Bergen Catholic, Grayson

 

Tier 5 -      Lee County, North Gwinett, . Marrieta, Hoover, DeMatha,   Buford, , Walton,    OLU, Columbia (Fl), Bishop Gorman, DBP, Lowndes, 

 

Tier 6 -    Saguaro,  Cardinal Gibbons, Bingham, Archer, Miami Northwestern, Trinity Christian (FL)

*teams will not be considered to be in a Tier until they score a point ( if they have played a game).

Below is an explanation of the Methodolgy used to place the teams on various Tiers.  The Tier concept recognizes that W/L records are a function of quality of opponent, and as such, RELEVANCY of opponent MUST be factored in.  The Tiers recognizes that in some cases, a 10-0 team (ranked in Top 100 by some outlets) could get blown off the field by a 5-5 (unranked) team that played a tougher schedule.  This is why the Tiers was created.

 

*Not attempting to rank every team, only the ones we discuss on this site.

* The Tiers are fluid and subject to extreme fluctuations early in the year, leveling out as the year progresses.

*Tier placements consider a teams entire body of work, however are weighted heaviest on recent games and game weights decrease in significance in reverse order.  In other words, early road OOS losses to relevant teams can be overcome as the season progresses.

*Teams placed on the same Tier can compete with other same Tier teams and possibly win 2+ of 10. 

*Basically there is a -10 point drop between tiers.  Could vary from a TD to 3 scores depending on the styles of teams playing.  This does not necessarily mean that there is a 30 point difference between Tier 1 and Tier 3, only that the chances of a Tier 3 team beating a Tier 1 team are exponentially less than the chances of a Tier 2 Team beating a Tier 1 team.

*The Tiers will ultimately be made up of (16) teams per Tier that would form competitive playoff brackets.

*Texas teams generally have not played enough OOS games to gauge properly #crapshoot.  There must be a daisy chain OOS connection for a reference point.  Teams with no OOS daisy chain connection may not be placed on a Tier.  (Texas exempt)

*Tiers are based on exhaustive research, Multiple games watched, and good gut feelings.

*This is a crowd sourced rating. All input will be considered and adjustments will be made as appropriate

[Eddyr2]

10 minutes ago, Sammyswordsman said:

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Posted September 23

Tier 1 - Mater Dei, IMG, 

 

Tier 2 -  Lake Travis, St. Louis, North shore (tx),  SFA,  Cen10, Miami Central, Carol City, SJP, SJB, SJC, Allen, Collquitt County, Mentor (OH), Deerfield Beach, 

 

Tier 3 -  Rome,  Centennial AZ, DLS, ULAB, Gonzaga, Folsom, Mission Viejo, Archer, Grayson, Bergen Catholic, SJR, JSerra, Colerain, St. Edwards, Cass Tech (MI), Arch Bishop Hoban, STA, Lincoln Way East (IL), Aledo, Muskegon (MI), John Curtis, 

 

Tier 4 - Converse Judson Tx, Katy,  American Heritage Plantation, Warren Central, Pickerington Central, Jokes Christian,   Milton,  SPP, De Paul, Good Council, Blessed Trinity (Ga), St. Iggy,  West Monroe, Chandler (AZ)

 

Tier 5 -      Lee County, North Gwinett, . Marrieta, Hoover, DeMatha,   Buford, , Walton,   OLU, Columbia (Fl), Bishop Gorman, DBP, Lowndes

 

Tier 6 -    Saguaro,  Cardinal Gibbons, Bingham, Miami Northwestern

*teams will not be considered to be in a Tier until they score a point ( if they have played a game).

Below is an explanation of the Methodolgy used to place the teams on various Tiers.  The Tier concept recognizes that W/L records are a function of quality of opponent, and as such, RELEVANCY of opponent MUST be factored in.  The Tiers recognizes that in some cases, a 10-0 team (ranked in Top 100 by some outlets) could get blown off the field by a 5-5 (unranked) team that played a tougher schedule.  This is why the Tiers was created.

 

*Not attempting to rank every team, only the ones we discuss on this site.

* The Tiers are fluid and subject to extreme fluctuations early in the year, leveling out as the year progresses.

*Tier placements consider a teams entire body of work, however are weighted heaviest on recent games and game weights decrease in significance in reverse order.  In other words, early road OOS losses to relevant teams can be overcome as the season progresses.

*Teams placed on the same Tier can compete with other same Tier teams and possibly win 2+ of 10. 

*Basically there is a -10 point drop between tiers.  Could vary from a TD to 3 scores depending on the styles of teams playing.  This does not necessarily mean that there is a 30 point difference between Tier 1 and Tier 3, only that the chances of a Tier 3 team beating a Tier 1 team are exponentially less than the chances of a Tier 2 Team beating a Tier 1 team.

*The Tiers will ultimately be made up of (16) teams per Tier that would form competitive playoff brackets.

*Texas teams generally have not played enough OOS games to gauge properly #crapshoot.  There must be a daisy chain OOS connection for a reference point.  Teams with no OOS daisy chain connection may not be placed on a Tier.  (Texas exempt)

*Tiers are based on exhaustive research, Multiple games watched, and good gut feelings.

*This is a crowd sourced rating. All input will be considered and adjustments will be made as appropriate

Bosco is still the #1 or #2 team in the country. JSerra I really good and Bosco hadn’t played a good team yet. They were just knocking off rust, no need to drop them. This season is till all about Negro.

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14 minutes ago, Sammyswordsman said:

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Posted September 23

Tier 1 - Mater Dei, IMG, 

 

Tier 2 -  Lake Travis, St. Louis, North shore (tx),  SFA,  Cen10, Miami Central, Carol City, SJP, SJB, SJC, Allen, Collquitt County, Mentor (OH), Deerfield Beach, 

 

Tier 3 -  Rome,  Centennial AZ, DLS, ULAB, Gonzaga, Folsom, Mission Viejo, Archer, Grayson, Bergen Catholic, SJR, JSerra, Colerain, St. Edwards, Cass Tech (MI), Arch Bishop Hoban, STA, Lincoln Way East (IL), Aledo, Muskegon (MI), John Curtis, 

 

Tier 4 - Converse Judson Tx, Katy,  American Heritage Plantation, Warren Central, Pickerington Central, Jokes Christian,   Milton,  SPP, De Paul, Good Council, Blessed Trinity (Ga), St. Iggy,  West Monroe, Chandler (AZ)

 

Tier 5 -      Lee County, North Gwinett, . Marrieta, Hoover, DeMatha,   Buford, , Walton,   OLU, Columbia (Fl), Bishop Gorman, DBP, Lowndes

 

Tier 6 -    Saguaro,  Cardinal Gibbons, Bingham, Miami Northwestern

*teams will not be considered to be in a Tier until they score a point ( if they have played a game).

Below is an explanation of the Methodolgy used to place the teams on various Tiers.  The Tier concept recognizes that W/L records are a function of quality of opponent, and as such, RELEVANCY of opponent MUST be factored in.  The Tiers recognizes that in some cases, a 10-0 team (ranked in Top 100 by some outlets) could get blown off the field by a 5-5 (unranked) team that played a tougher schedule.  This is why the Tiers was created.

 

*Not attempting to rank every team, only the ones we discuss on this site.

* The Tiers are fluid and subject to extreme fluctuations early in the year, leveling out as the year progresses.

*Tier placements consider a teams entire body of work, however are weighted heaviest on recent games and game weights decrease in significance in reverse order.  In other words, early road OOS losses to relevant teams can be overcome as the season progresses.

*Teams placed on the same Tier can compete with other same Tier teams and possibly win 2+ of 10. 

*Basically there is a -10 point drop between tiers.  Could vary from a TD to 3 scores depending on the styles of teams playing.  This does not necessarily mean that there is a 30 point difference between Tier 1 and Tier 3, only that the chances of a Tier 3 team beating a Tier 1 team are exponentially less than the chances of a Tier 2 Team beating a Tier 1 team.

*The Tiers will ultimately be made up of (16) teams per Tier that would form competitive playoff brackets.

*Texas teams generally have not played enough OOS games to gauge properly #crapshoot.  There must be a daisy chain OOS connection for a reference point.  Teams with no OOS daisy chain connection may not be placed on a Tier.  (Texas exempt)

*Tiers are based on exhaustive research, Multiple games watched, and good gut feelings.

*This is a crowd sourced rating. All input will be considered and adjustments will be made as appropriate

 

 

 

Question

 

does MD deserve that Rank since they Used illegal Players this year???? And have a forfeit 

[Sammyswordsman]

9 minutes ago, Eddyr2 said:

Bosco is still the #1 or #2 team in the country. JSerra I really good and Bosco hadn’t played a good team yet. They were just knocking off rust, no need to drop them. This season is till all about Negro.

SJB had some rust for sure.  Looked like a deer in the headlights most of the game.  Did show some explosiveness, so they have potential to work their way back up.  From what I watched on Friday, as of now they belong in Tier 2 placement.  I have them even with the Fla teams now. 

Tier 1 is (god Tier) this week.  These teams don't flinch.  Everyone else has had off games.

[Extremely Humble]

4 minutes ago, Sammyswordsman said:

SJB had some rust for sure.  Looked like a deer in the headlights most of the game.  Did show some explosiveness, so they have potential to work their way back up.  From what I watched on Friday, as of now they belong in Tier 2 placement.  I have them even with the Fla teams now. 

Tier 1 is (god Tier) this week.  These teams don't flinch.  Everyone else has had off games.

I agree with you. On paper, SJB is god tier. Based on their schedule and results so far, they’ve underperformed. MD should be 10 point favorites. 

[Sammyswordsman]

1 minute ago, GardenStateBaller said:

Re NJ, SJR, SPP, SJP and DPC should all be on same tier one higher than BC. 

 

At the end of the day, I think BC will win NJ again.  Once again you demonstrate your inability to think conceptually (3D).  You are a 100% linear thinker (2D).  You like to follow the dots.  LOL

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[RuntheClock]

Not feeling the "Rusty" Excuse for Bosco, yeah they hadn't played a full game but they have played games none the less. Also factoring in they have plenty of returning experience from the last year, rust shouldn't be a issue.0

Realistically the offense didn't look bad at all, they could've ran every single down and Jserra still wouldn't be able to stop them. QB was just missing wide open receivers and panicked when pressured, the exact opposite of the QB for MD. Not convinced they are #1 in the nation.

[Sammyswordsman]

1 minute ago, GardenStateBaller said:

BC got crushed by SPP, who lost to DPC who was missing its best player. So you're saying head to head doesn't matter? Makes no sense. Thank God this'll only be seen by to a few dozen people in the world. 

Imotep played SJR closer than De Paul.

DePaul tied Delbarton in regulation.

DePaul is not in the discussion, even though they got lucky vs. SPP. 

Sorry to burst your bubble

 

 

[NotBigdaddybloom]

43 minutes ago, Eddyr2 said:

Bosco is still the #1 or #2 team in the country. JSerra I really good and Bosco hadn’t played a good team yet. They were just knocking off rust, no need to drop them. This season is till all about Negro.

Wrong thread...

[Belly Bob]

SJC is trending up? That's a bit of a surprise. 

Why is BG trending down? It looks like they are now 14-42 points worse than DLS and Centennial of AZ, which teams they just barely lost to. 

[Sammyswordsman]

20 minutes ago, Belly Bob said:

SJC is trending up? That's a bit of a surprise. 

Why is BG trending down? It looks like they are now 14-42 points worse than DLS and Centennial of AZ, which teams they just barely lost to. 

BG also only beat Orem UT by 10 which lost to Bingham by 17, which lost to (4-3) Lone Peak on Friday

[Belly Bob]

9 minutes ago, Sammyswordsman said:

BG also lost to Orem UT by 10 which lost to Bingham by 17, which lost to (4-3) Lone Peak on Friday

You might want to double check those facts. 

[Sammyswordsman]

2 minutes ago, GardenStateBaller said:

DPCs top player was out. I live here and go to the games. 

SJR, DPC, SPP, SJP, Zaga, AHP

 

BC, DBP, Grayson

DBP is not on the same level as Grayson  LOl.  You may go to the games, but you don't understand what you are watching.

I think Gonzaga has shown more than the NJ teams up to now.

We still don't know about SPP, they destroyed BC, but played like turds vs De Paul.

SJP seems like the real deal, and clearly better than the others. Maybe by alot

SJR may not be any good either, based on their game vs Imotep, and barely beating DePaul who didn't have their best player.

Who knows, its basically a cluster at this point, and any Tier placement grouping could be supported or nit picked.

[Sammyswordsman]

6 minutes ago, Belly Bob said:

You might want to double check those facts. 

same difference.

[Sammyswordsman]

1 minute ago, GardenStateBaller said:

 

SPP loss should drop SJP. 

 

Interesting point.  I didn't consider this.  Will review.

[Sammyswordsman]

5 minutes ago, GardenStateBaller said:

SPP was up by 14 in the 4Q vs SJP. #shortmemory

Dropped SJP to Tier 3.

I still like Bergen Catholic to win NJ.   Think they had a bad game for some reason vs SPP.

May'be DePaul will change my mind in the coming weeks.  We'll see.  Based on their history, they don't impress me as a program