elKakador Posted October 7, 2018 Report Share Posted October 7, 2018 1 hour ago, ECHS05 said: And BC beat SJR without their biggest threat also... Both RBs. So how does one come to any other conclusion than its about the matchup and a definite ranking cant be established because it doesnt work that way. DPC lost to SJR... You cant ignore that. And they struggled vs. Delbarton... They had a favorable matchup with SPP like SPP did with BC. Its the way it works. Luckily the 2 play... So we'll see eh. Besides... BC was NJs Preseason #1 and Noonereal said Preseason rankings dont change despite the actual games. BC got blown out. You can't ignore that. DP has not been blown out by anyone. They lost a close game that could've gone the other way. And they beat the team that blew out BC And please don't give me that "favorable match-up" crap. That's just an excuse losers use when they can't come up with an argument. (Yeah, it was a REAL favorable match-up with Roberson out, and using a QB who had never started a varsity game!) DP won and you can't ignore that.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted October 7, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 7, 2018 Tier 1 - Mater Dei, IMG, SJB, SJC, Miami Central, Carol City Tier 2 - Lake Travis, St. Louis, North shore (tx), SFA, STA, Cen10, Allen, Colquitt County, Mentor (OH), SJP, JSerra, DLS, Colerain, ULAB, Tier 3 - Rome, Centennial AZ, Folsom, Mission Viejo, Archer, St. Edwards, Cass Tech (MI), Arch Bishop Hoban, Lincoln Way East (IL), Aledo, Muskegon (MI), John Curtis, Jokes Christian, Katy, Mission Viejo, Bergen Catholic, Chandler (AZ), Tier 4 - Converse Judson Tx, American Heritage Plantation, Warren Central, Massillon, SPP, De Paul, Good Council, Blessed Trinity (Ga), St. Iggy, West Monroe, Grayson, OLU, SJR, Archer, Bishop Gorman, Parkview Tier 5 - Lee County, Marrieta, Hoover, DeMatha, DBP, Lowndes, Trinity Christian (FL), Columbia (FL), Gonzaga, Deerfield Beach Tier 6 - Bingham, Milton, Buford, Walton, North Gwinett, Pick Central, Bishop Amat *teams will not be considered to be in a Tier until they score a point ( if they have played a game). Below is an explanation of the Methodolgy used to place the teams on various Tiers. The Tier concept recognizes that W/L records are a function of quality of opponent, and as such, RELEVANCY of opponent MUST be factored in. The Tiers recognizes that in some cases, a 10-0 team (ranked in Top 100 by some outlets) could get blown off the field by a 5-5 (unranked) team that played a tougher schedule. This is why the Tiers was created. *Not attempting to rank every team, only the ones we discuss on this site. * The Tiers are fluid and subject to extreme fluctuations early in the year, leveling out as the year progresses. *Tier placements consider a teams entire body of work, however are weighted heaviest on recent games and game weights decrease in significance in reverse order. In other words, early road OOS losses to relevant teams can be overcome as the season progresses. *Teams placed on the same Tier can compete with other same Tier teams and possibly win 2+ of 10. *Basically there is a -10 point drop between tiers. Could vary from a TD to 3 scores depending on the styles of teams playing. This does not necessarily mean that there is a 30 point difference between Tier 1 and Tier 3, only that the chances of a Tier 3 team beating a Tier 1 team are exponentially less than the chances of a Tier 2 Team beating a Tier 1 team. *The Tiers will ultimately be made up of (16) teams per Tier that would form competitive playoff brackets. *Texas teams generally have not played enough OOS games to gauge properly #crapshoot. There must be a daisy chain OOS connection for a reference point. Teams with no OOS daisy chain connection may not be placed on a Tier. (Texas exempt) *Tiers are based on exhaustive research, Multiple games watched, and good gut feelings. *This is a crowd sourced rating. All input will be considered and adjustments will be made as appropriate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elKakador Posted October 7, 2018 Report Share Posted October 7, 2018 29 minutes ago, Sammyswordsman said: Tier 1 - Mater Dei, IMG, SJB, SJC, Miami Central, Carol City Tier 2 - Lake Travis, St. Louis, North shore (tx), SFA, STA, Cen10, Allen, Colquitt County, Mentor (OH), SJP, JSerra, DLS, Colerain, ULAB, Tier 3 - Rome, Centennial AZ, Folsom, Mission Viejo, Archer, Colerain, St. Edwards, Cass Tech (MI), Arch Bishop Hoban, Lincoln Way East (IL), Aledo, Muskegon (MI), John Curtis, Jokes Christian, Katy, Mission Viejo, Bergen Catholic, Chandler (AZ), Tier 4 - Converse Judson Tx, American Heritage Plantation, Warren Central, Massillon, SPP, De Paul, Good Council, Blessed Trinity (Ga), St. Iggy, West Monroe, Grayson, OLU, SJR, Archer, Bishop Gorman, DePaul, Parkview Tier 5 - Lee County, Marrieta, Hoover, DeMatha, DBP, Lowndes, Trinity Christian (FL), Columbia (FL), Gonzaga, Deerfield Beach Tier 6 - Bingham, Milton, Buford, Walton, North Gwinett, Pick Central, Bishop Amat *teams will not be considered to be in a Tier until they score a point ( if they have played a game). Below is an explanation of the Methodolgy used to place the teams on various Tiers. The Tier concept recognizes that W/L records are a function of quality of opponent, and as such, RELEVANCY of opponent MUST be factored in. The Tiers recognizes that in some cases, a 10-0 team (ranked in Top 100 by some outlets) could get blown off the field by a 5-5 (unranked) team that played a tougher schedule. This is why the Tiers was created. *Not attempting to rank every team, only the ones we discuss on this site. * The Tiers are fluid and subject to extreme fluctuations early in the year, leveling out as the year progresses. *Tier placements consider a teams entire body of work, however are weighted heaviest on recent games and game weights decrease in significance in reverse order. In other words, early road OOS losses to relevant teams can be overcome as the season progresses. *Teams placed on the same Tier can compete with other same Tier teams and possibly win 2+ of 10. *Basically there is a -10 point drop between tiers. Could vary from a TD to 3 scores depending on the styles of teams playing. This does not necessarily mean that there is a 30 point difference between Tier 1 and Tier 3, only that the chances of a Tier 3 team beating a Tier 1 team are exponentially less than the chances of a Tier 2 Team beating a Tier 1 team. *The Tiers will ultimately be made up of (16) teams per Tier that would form competitive playoff brackets. *Texas teams generally have not played enough OOS games to gauge properly #crapshoot. There must be a daisy chain OOS connection for a reference point. Teams with no OOS daisy chain connection may not be placed on a Tier. (Texas exempt) *Tiers are based on exhaustive research, Multiple games watched, and good gut feelings. *This is a crowd sourced rating. All input will be considered and adjustments will be made as appropriate Hey Sammy, you like DePaul so much you put them in there twice! What a sport! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUFORDGAWOLVES Posted October 7, 2018 Report Share Posted October 7, 2018 4 hours ago, elKakador said: Hey Sammy, you like DePaul so much you put them in there twice! What a sport! And Colerain unless there’s two! Sammy is the bestest! BGW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECHS05 Posted October 7, 2018 Report Share Posted October 7, 2018 Archer tier 3... They play Grayson this week and have blasted Buford.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUFORDGAWOLVES Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 54 minutes ago, ECHS05 said: Archer tier 3... They play Grayson this week and have blasted Buford.... We were up in the third, but call it as you see it. Its all giggles and farts with you anyways. BGW 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted October 8, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 1 hour ago, BUFORDGAWOLVES said: And Colerain unless there’s two! Sammy is the bestest! BGW Colerain is Tier 2. Got promoted this week. What you saw in Tier 3 was their shadow before it vanished 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted October 8, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 1 hour ago, ECHS05 said: Archer tier 3... They play Grayson this week and have blasted Buford.... Archer lost to Milton and their signature win over Buford is diluted due to Buford's recent performances They should handle Tier 4 Grayson, who is trending down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted October 8, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 Just now, GardenStateBaller said: Yet you have BC above SPP and DPC??? Smh Because I think BC is the better team. Has played a national schedule; The others have no such experience Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted October 8, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 Just now, GardenStateBaller said: SPP played SJP, who's currently the highest ranked OOS team that anyone from NJ has played to date!! The DBP D shut-out BC last week in the second half. 3-3/0-2 DBP. The DBP prep shut out in the second half is irrelevant now, that BC beat them and SJR. SPP has two strikes against them. They got lucky one game. Also BC has higher rated players and a better coaching staff. IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted October 8, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 2 minutes ago, GardenStateBaller said: SPP played SJP, who's currently the highest ranked OOS team that anyone from NJ has played to date!! The DBP D shut-out BC last week in the second half. 3-3/0-2 DBP. IF each of those teams were to come west and play MV or OLU, I'd be more worried about BC than SPP. Who got mowed by SJB and you guys disowned quickly after their one good year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted October 8, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 1 minute ago, GardenStateBaller said: Read what I edited in my original post above. I think BC could have scored in the second half if they had to. But all they needed to do was kill clock to win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted October 8, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 Just now, GardenStateBaller said: SPP sucked that year. That was four years ago. BC lost to MD by 49!!!! The Stache had a #OIAG team. That loss improved BC and some of those kids are seniors this year. They faced a #OIAG team, nobody in NJ scares them now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECHS05 Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 58 minutes ago, BUFORDGAWOLVES said: We were up in the third, but call it as you see it. Its all giggles and farts with you anyways. BGW Buford got doubled up... They put up a little fight, but after a while they were put in their place... bent over the kitchen counter and pounded out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECHS05 Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 16 minutes ago, GardenStateBaller said: Yet you have BC above SPP and DPC??? Smh Because hes not an idiot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted October 8, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 1 minute ago, GardenStateBaller said: If they had to??? Really. Trying to help your credibility. #lostcause Yes. BC had the lead and the goal was to swallow the ball in the second half and leave it up to the defense. Nothing wrong with that. I've seen that recipe work for countless years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted October 8, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 Just now, GardenStateBaller said: DBP caused two fumble turnovers!!!! And still lost, because BC knew that DBP could not drive the ball against them. Simple Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECHS05 Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 1 minute ago, GardenStateBaller said: If Grayson beat CQ by 27, would CQ currently be ranked higher than them. Its according to what happened in all the other games. It should probably be... SPP BC SJR DPC DBP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECHS05 Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 Just now, GardenStateBaller said: Until BC beats DPC, makes absolutely no sense for them to be ranked higher this week. You arent taking any other games into account except 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECHS05 Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 The reality is, it doesnt matter anyway.... The rankings right now only matter right now... and even they really dont matter right now either. All that matters are the rankings at season end, when the season ends. You know like hell you wouldn't bet on DPC to beat BC... And you wont when the time comes... In a few weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted October 8, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 2 hours ago, GardenStateBaller said: Agree, so Sammy should do the right and just thing. They play at DPC on 10/26. I'll consider a wager then. I’ll put my money where my mouth is. I know you will to. Other people on this board...meh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUFORDGAWOLVES Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 10 hours ago, ECHS05 said: Buford got doubled up... They put up a little fight, but after a while they were put in their place... bent over the kitchen counter and pounded out. Only you would know what that's like, huh East Coweta? BGW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat_Scratch Posted October 8, 2018 Report Share Posted October 8, 2018 19 hours ago, Sammyswordsman said: how would you Tier Florida? Let me get settled in. I'm on the road ATM. I'll be in Vermont this evening and will have time. I'll message it to you or post if you prefer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted October 14, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2018 Tier 1 - Mater Dei, IMG, SJB, SJC, Miami Central, Tier 2 - St. Louis, North shore (tx), SFA, STA, Cen10, Allen, SJP, JSerra, Colerain, ULAB, LIncoln Way East (IL), Carol City FL Tier 3 - St. Edwards, Cass Tech (MI), Arch Bishop Hoban, Muskegon (MI), John Curtis, Katy, Chandler (AZ), Colquitt County, Parkview, Mentor OH. DLS, Pinnacle AZ, Warren Central (Ind), Grayson, Christian Brothers Tier 4 - , Massillon, SPP, De Paul, Good Council, Blessed Trinity (Ga), St. Iggy, West Monroe, OLU, SJR, Archer, Parkview, Rome, Bergen Catholic, Centennial (AZ), Trinity Christian FL, Columbia FL, Aledo, Jokes Christian, Mission Viejo, Folsom Tier 5 - Marrieta, Hoover, DeMatha, Lowndes, Gonzaga, Milton Ga, Bishop Gorman, Archer, Bishop Amat Tier 6 - Bingham, Milton, Walton, North Gwinett, Pick Central, DBP, Deerfield Beach *teams will not be considered to be in a Tier until they score a point ( if they have played a game). Below is an explanation of the Methodolgy used to place the teams on various Tiers. The Tier concept recognizes that W/L records are a function of quality of opponent, and as such, RELEVANCY of opponent MUST be factored in. The Tiers recognizes that in some cases, a 10-0 team (ranked in Top 100 by some outlets) could get blown off the field by a 5-5 (unranked) team that played a tougher schedule. This is why the Tiers was created. *Not attempting to rank every team, only the ones we discuss on this site. * The Tiers are fluid and subject to extreme fluctuations early in the year, leveling out as the year progresses. *Tier placements consider a teams entire body of work, however are weighted heaviest on recent games and game weights decrease in significance in reverse order. In other words, early road OOS losses to relevant teams can be overcome as the season progresses. *Teams placed on the same Tier can compete with other same Tier teams and possibly win 2+ of 10. *Basically there is a -10 point drop between tiers. Could vary from a TD to 3 scores depending on the styles of teams playing. This does not necessarily mean that there is a 30 point difference between Tier 1 and Tier 3, only that the chances of a Tier 3 team beating a Tier 1 team are exponentially less than the chances of a Tier 2 Team beating a Tier 1 team. *The Tiers will ultimately be made up of (16) teams per Tier that would form competitive playoff brackets. *Texas teams generally have not played enough OOS games to gauge properly #crapshoot. There must be a daisy chain OOS connection for a reference point. Teams with no OOS daisy chain connection may not be placed on a Tier. (Texas exempt) *Tiers are based on exhaustive research, Multiple games watched, and good gut feelings. *This is a crowd sourced rating. All input will be considered and adjustments will be made as appropriate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StingMan44 Posted October 14, 2018 Report Share Posted October 14, 2018 Ummm...how does Centennial (AZ) drop a tier? Won 49-0 and 42-0 the last two weeks. Yes, their region schedule is pretty weak but thats nothing they can control and it doesn’t mean they got worse somehow. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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