DBP66 Posted August 27, 2018 Report Share Posted August 27, 2018 Just now, GardenStateBaller said: I thought that would be your excuse. Remember, four other Presidents won elections despite losing the irrelevant popular vote. It wasn't a big deal then and isn't now. Enjoy the day. It's been wonderful so far for us loyal, patriotic Americans! ..LOL..irrelevant popular vote??..LOL...because Trump is one of ONLY 5 Presidents to LOSE the popular vote??....by 2.9 MILLION votes...excuse??..LOL...you just don't know what reality is when it bites you... and BTW...you lost your patriot card when you disrespected a REAL American HERO..John McCain...you're an official "fake" American now...no going back.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
15yds4gibberish Posted August 27, 2018 Report Share Posted August 27, 2018 1 hour ago, Troll said: Open mouth...insert foot.... Looks like it's time to retract your 'deceitful' comments....and apologize to the class..... Bonus follow up Q) So if they ever wound up finding millions in illegal campaign contributions like they did with Obama, as going to T, would you be perfectly ok with a 'fine' as just punishment ... correct??? How about if it was even a more $ fine than the Obama fine...do you agree with his (Obama's) punishment, thus it should be good as a standard? No BS or 'masking' as you say...your hot take now... is greatly anticipated... It's the difference between civil vs criminal law violations. Former President Barack Obama's 2008 campaign paid a penalty for a civil infraction. Michael Cohen admitted to two criminal violations of campaign finance law (and not in-consequentially implicated the president in this criminal act). It would be deceitful to write something like: "If they ever wound up finding millions in illegal campaign contributions like they did with Obama." The campaign contributions to Obama were not illegal - That wasn't the civil infraction. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/why-michael-cohens-campaign-finance-crimes-were-more-serious-than-the-obama-campaigns-infraction/2018/08/22/af5425ee-a616-11e8-8fac-12e98c13528d_story.html?utm_term=.521021169b27 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bormio Posted August 27, 2018 Report Share Posted August 27, 2018 7 minutes ago, 15yds4gibberish said: It's the difference between civil vs criminal law violations. Former President Barack Obama's 2008 campaign paid a penalty for a civil infraction. Michael Cohen admitted to two criminal violations of campaign finance law (and not in-consequentially implicated the president in this criminal act). It would be deceitful to write something like: "If they ever wound up finding millions in illegal campaign contributions like they did with Obama." The campaign contributions to Obama were not illegal - That wasn't the civil infraction. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/why-michael-cohens-campaign-finance-crimes-were-more-serious-than-the-obama-campaigns-infraction/2018/08/22/af5425ee-a616-11e8-8fac-12e98c13528d_story.html?utm_term=.521021169b27 A lot of legal beagles - not just on the right - do not think what Cohen pled to on campaign finance was a crime. In other words, paying hush money is not a campaign donation under the law. Mueller wanted him to plead to it to build a case against Trump, and Cohen was willing to do so to get a deal on the rest. But that does not make it a crime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBP66 Posted August 27, 2018 Report Share Posted August 27, 2018 3 minutes ago, Bormio said: A lot of legal beagles - not just on the right - do not think what Cohen pled to on campaign finance was a crime. In other words, paying hush money is not a campaign donation under the law. Mueller wanted him to plead to it to build a case against Trump, and Cohen was willing to do so to get a deal on the rest. But that does not make it a crime. you sure about that?...it's a crime if it was meant to INFLUENCE the election...when did she get paid is the question..the affair with McDougal was NINE years ago...then why did they come up with a check for her a month before the election??...coincidence?..LOL...nice try though.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBP66 Posted August 27, 2018 Report Share Posted August 27, 2018 Just now, GardenStateBaller said: Question...if he was such a great, beloved person, why couldn't him win the Presidency? Should've been a shoein without all that love, no? The world would be far worse today if McCain had his way. Truth. Sarah Palin did him in...she was all looks...someone a voter like you would fall for but no substance...and she turned out to be an embarrassment...much like Trump.....and you're still going after McCain after losiing your Patriot card huh??...you're just another "fake" American who puts Trump before country...sad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bormio Posted August 27, 2018 Report Share Posted August 27, 2018 4 minutes ago, DBP66 said: you sure about that?...it's a crime if it was meant to INFLUENCE the election...when did she get paid is the question..the affair with McDougal was NINE years ago...then why did they come up with a check for her a month before the election??...coincidence?..LOL...nice try though.. There are many things that influence the election that do not have to be reported under the law. It could be a crime if the campaign finance law said such was a contribution having to be reported - and that is not spelled out. It became an issue at the election cause that was when Stormy wanted to go public. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOCIntellectualProperty Posted August 27, 2018 Report Share Posted August 27, 2018 1 hour ago, HSFBfan said: I just posted the article from Us News and World report. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/01/07/obama-campaign-fined-big-for-hiding-donors-keeping-illegal-donations%3fcontext=amp He was fined 375000...#Truth again... it's deceitful Obama was fined for being hours off in reporting LEGAL contributions... which is understandable considering his record breaking fund raising Trump actually LIED about ILLEGAL contributions.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBP66 Posted August 27, 2018 Report Share Posted August 27, 2018 Just now, Bormio said: There are many things that influence the election that do not have to be reported under the law. It could be a crime if the campaign finance law said such was a contribution having to be reported - and that is not spelled out. and many things that do effect the election and need to get reported and don't...why do you think team Trump didn't disclose the payment to the 2 women a month before the election if it was legit??...they forgot??...sure they did... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted August 27, 2018 Report Share Posted August 27, 2018 1 minute ago, SOCIntellectualProperty said: again... it's deceitful Obama was fined for being hours off in reporting LEGAL contributions... which is understandable considering his record breaking fund raising Trump actually LIED about ILLEGAL contributions.... Has trump been found guilty of this? Not yet to my understand so technically without a judge saying something is criminal hes innocent. We know Obama did something wrong and he paid the fine. For now story over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOCIntellectualProperty Posted August 27, 2018 Report Share Posted August 27, 2018 1 hour ago, Troll said: Open mouth...insert foot.... Looks like it's time to retract your 'deceitful' comments....and apologize to the class..... Bonus follow up Q) So if they ever wound up finding millions in illegal campaign contributions like they did with Obama, as going to T, would you be perfectly ok with a 'fine' as just punishment ... correct??? How about if it was even a more $ fine than the Obama fine...do you agree with his (Obama's) punishment, thus it should be good as a standard? No BS or 'masking' as you say...your hot take now... is greatly anticipated... see above my above reply to HSFAN.. even his comment was a tad bit more relevant than yours Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOCIntellectualProperty Posted August 27, 2018 Report Share Posted August 27, 2018 Just now, HSFBfan said: Has trump been found guilty of this? Not yet to my understand so technically without a judge saying something is criminal hes innocent. We know Obama did something wrong and he paid the fine. For now story over. That was a stretch... but you can have it as long as you understand the implications here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bormio Posted August 27, 2018 Report Share Posted August 27, 2018 1 minute ago, DBP66 said: and many things that do effect the election and need to get reported and don't...why do you think team Trump didn't disclose the payment to the 2 women a month before the election if it was legit??...they forgot??...sure they did... Because under the law there is no need to report it. And I will bet you that will be the final adjudication of this matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted August 27, 2018 Report Share Posted August 27, 2018 Just now, SOCIntellectualProperty said: That was a stretch... but you can have it as long as you understand the implications here There is absolutely no stretch that's the truth. Look at oj criminal he did nothing. Civilly he did. Burdens of proof needed are a lot different. Cohen can implicate anyone he wants. Until its proven his word means nothing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBP66 Posted August 27, 2018 Report Share Posted August 27, 2018 Just now, GardenStateBaller said: And Clinton was a flawed candidate just like Palin. We're going in circles. LOL..your talking about one of the MOST POPULAR and EFFECTIVE President of all time and you're comparing him to Sarah (I can see Russia) Palin!!!!!!...LOL...LOL....you're a LOST cause... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBP66 Posted August 27, 2018 Report Share Posted August 27, 2018 1 minute ago, HSFBfan said: There is absolutely no stretch that's the truth. Look at oj criminal he did nothing. Civilly he did. Burdens of proof needed are a lot different. Cohen can implicate anyone he wants. Until its proven his word means nothing how about his audio tapes?...Donny sounded good on it.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBP66 Posted August 27, 2018 Report Share Posted August 27, 2018 4 minutes ago, Bormio said: Because under the law there is no need to report it. And I will bet you that will be the final adjudication of this matter. no need huh?...B.S...you don't think the American people knowing that Trump had 2 affairs while married and one while he wife was pregnant couldn't have influenced the election??...so why not come out and TELL THE TRUTH...why make them both sign a NDA?...and why 3 different stories on who paid the HUSH money and when?...because it's ALL DIRTY and unlawful..the truth will set this nation free!!.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bormio Posted August 27, 2018 Report Share Posted August 27, 2018 9 minutes ago, DBP66 said: no need huh?...B.S...you don't think the American people knowing that Trump had 2 affairs while married and one while he wife was pregnant couldn't have influenced the election??...so why not come out and TELL THE TRUTH...why make them both sign a NDA?...and why 3 different stories on who paid the HUSH money and when?...because it's ALL DIRTY and unlawful..the truth will set this nation free!!.... You are talking politics - and trust me - Trump’s voters knew he fooled around. Legally there was no need to report. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBP66 Posted August 27, 2018 Report Share Posted August 27, 2018 8 minutes ago, Bormio said: You are talking politics - and trust me - Trump’s voters knew he fooled around. Legally there was no need to report. then why did he pay "hush" money??....and did they know he cheated on his pregnant wife??..NO...and that's a game changer for some and Trump and company knew that...that's why both ladies got paid a month before the election and he had them sign a NDA...the American people aren't that naïve...and neither was Trump...but he got caught! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bormio Posted August 27, 2018 Report Share Posted August 27, 2018 6 minutes ago, DBP66 said: then why did he pay "hush" money??....and did they know he cheated on his pregnant wife??..NO...and that's a game changer for some and Trump and company knew that...that's why both ladies got paid a month before the election and he had them sign a NDA...the American people aren't that naïve...and neither was Trump...but he got caught! Of course he did not want it known - paying her off is not a crime. Politicians do this all the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOCIntellectualProperty Posted August 27, 2018 Report Share Posted August 27, 2018 39 minutes ago, HSFBfan said: There is absolutely no stretch that's the truth. Look at oj criminal he did nothing. Civilly he did. Burdens of proof needed are a lot different. Cohen can implicate anyone he wants. Until its proven his word means nothing to compare the Obama campaign's obvious oversight to actual circumventing law is a stretch.. that's why one gets you fined and the other gets you canned Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBP66 Posted August 27, 2018 Report Share Posted August 27, 2018 19 minutes ago, Bormio said: Of course he did not want it known - paying her off is not a crime. Politicians do this all the time. and that doesn't make it right or legal...and it's ILLEGAL if it's meant to influence the election...pretty simple...he didn't want people to know so he tried to make it disappear and got caught....and lied on the plane when asked who paid the hush money...why would he lie if it were legit?...because he got caught.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted August 27, 2018 Report Share Posted August 27, 2018 15 minutes ago, SOCIntellectualProperty said: to compare the Obama campaign's obvious oversight to actual circumventing law is a stretch.. that's why one gets you fined and the other gets you canned But one has in the annals of history did get Obama fined. What has been alleged so far has not been found to be true at this point. If/when it does than another story. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troll Posted August 27, 2018 Report Share Posted August 27, 2018 52 minutes ago, SOCIntellectualProperty said: see above my above reply to HSFAN.. even his comment was a tad bit more relevant than yours sticking with the 'deceitful spin' guns eh? instead of posting why a 3rd party guilt can be spun as worse, you could have just said ...ooops…. so I'll take your answer to the ? of "THE BIG IF" T is found to be the same as (or even worse) than Obama, then fines not good enough....as a no? BTW relevance is actually assigning any infraction to the proper party......something you and your argument seem lacking in... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardcore Troubador Posted August 27, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2018 3 hours ago, HSFBfan said: He had an affair before becoming president who cares. Comparing them to bill Clinton in the WH at the time same with JFK. The situations are different The timing of when he had the affair (in the White House or out of it) wasn’t really the point of the article... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardcore Troubador Posted August 27, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2018 1 hour ago, DBP66 said: LOL..your talking about one of the MOST POPULAR and EFFECTIVE President of all time and you're comparing him to Sarah (I can see Russia) Palin!!!!!!...LOL...LOL....you're a LOST cause... He probably means Hill-dawg, not Bill-dawg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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