What up Texas?

[Champa]

West Orange vs Silsbee should be a good one. WOS has never beaten Silsbee in the playoffs. I'm afraid that comes to an end this Friday. They'll definitely be looking for payback after last year's loss. Would love to take them down again though.

[Texasball]

5 hours ago, Frosty4024 said:

In actuality...Denton Ryan may be biggest:

They are apparently 2 people from 6A lol.

https://dentonrc.com/sports/uil-realignment-classification-cutoff-numbers-released-braswell-moving-up-to/article_5115b9fb-a10c-5ffd-8be5-64e23b05c3b4.html

I was at HP today and they are 11 off the line

[Horsefly]

8 minutes ago, Texasball said:

I was at HP today and they are 11 off the line

Come on man, that school cuts it close it seems every realignment.  😂 

[Texasball]

11 minutes ago, Horsefly said:

Come on man, that school cuts it close it seems every realignment.  😂 

The line magically works in their favor every year 🤷‍♂️

[DevilDog]

43 minutes ago, Champa said:

West Orange vs Silsbee should be a good one. WOS has never beaten Silsbee in the playoffs. I'm afraid that comes to an end this Friday. They'll definitely be looking for payback after last year's loss. Would love to take them down again though.

Silsbee (8-4) vs. West Orange-Stark (10-1)

Silsbee		West Orange-Stark
8-4	Record	10-1
0	State Championships	4
0	Championship Appearances	8
Randy Smith	Coach	Cornel Thompson
31-19	Record with School	110-18
31-19	Overall Record	112-26
NR	DCTF Rank	3
20	Max Preps Rank	10
414	Points Scored	386
34.50	Points/Game	35.09
22	Class State Rank	19
296	Points Allowed	124
24.67	Allowed/Game	11.27
29	Class State Rank	1
9.83	Point Differential/Game	23.82
22	Class State Rank	6

Silsbee Year-To-Date
Week 1 – Port Neches-Groves – L 35-48
Week 2 – Newton – L 21-52
Week 3 – Nederland – W 43-27
Week 5 – Lumberton – W 24-12
Week 6 – Spring Hill – L 27-41
Week 7 – West Orange-Stark – L 9-17
Week 8 – Hardin-Jefferson – W 58-24
Week 9 – Liberty – W 38-14
Week 10 – Hamshire-Fannett – W 27-21
Week 12 – Shepherd – W 52-13
Week 13 – Smithville – W 45-13
Week 14 – Giddings – W 35-14

West Orange-Stark Year-To-Date
Week 1 – Nederland – W 21-20
Week 2 – Little Cypress-Mauriceville – W 36-14
Week 3 – Newton – L 14-20
Week 5 – Bridge City – W 46-7
Week 7 – Silsbee – W 17-9
Week 9 – Hardin-Jefferson – W 49-12
Week 10 – Liberty – W 39-0
Week 11 – Hamshire-Fannett – W 42-7
Week 12 – Huntington – W 56-7
Week 13 – La Grange – W 42-14
Week 14 – Bellville – W 24-14

Projections
Calpreps – WOS by 11
Massey Ratings – WOS by 7
 

Match Up Notes

This will be the 29th meeting between the two schools. West Orange-Stark leads the all-time series 24 games to 4 games. This will be the fourth between the teams in two seasons. West Orange-Stark won the regular season meeting in 2018 (24-21) and the regular season meeting in Week 7 of this year (17-9). Silsbee won last year’s regional final (19-9).

[DevilDog]

8 minutes ago, Texasball said:

The line magically works in their favor every year 🤷‍♂️

[Horsefly]

11 minutes ago, DevilDog said:

Exactly 

[DevilDog]

HIGH SCHOOL SPORTS FOOTBALL

Updated UIL realignment takeaways: Highland Park likely headed for 5A, but fate still TBD; Dallas ISD schools see movement
Highland Park is 11 students below 6A cutoff line that was announced Tuesday.

Highland Park is staying in Class 5A for the next two years. By 11 students.

Tuesday morning, the UIL released the classification cutoff numbers and school enrollment numbers for its upcoming biennial realignment. Class 6A will be the 249 schools with an enrollment of 2,220 and above, and Highland Park’s enrollment is 2,209 — up from 2,180 two years ago.

The UIL will announce the district alignments for the next two school years on Feb. 3.

About five hours after the cutoff lines were announced, McAllen ISD posted on its Twitter page that the enrollment numbers for its schools were incorrect, including three schools that had been placed in 6A. Highland Park ISD athletic director Johnny Ringo started getting phone calls saying that if those three McAllen schools had to move down to 5A, the UIL might adjust the 6A cutoff line and Highland Park could end up moving up to the UIL’s largest classification.

Tuesday afternoon, UIL communications specialist Logan Lawrence sent an email saying that the classification cutoff numbers would not change, no matter which classification the McAllen schools end up in. But shortly after that, Lawrence said even that stance had changed, and that while the UIL doesn’t expect to change the cutoff numbers, it’s not completely ruling it out, either.

Highland Park has been in 5A for the last two realignments and is currently the state’s fourth-largest school in the UIL’s second-largest classification. Highland Park’s football team was 56-5 in that span — including 20-1 in the playoffs — but its bid for a fourth straight Class 5A Division I state championship fell short this year with a 33-27 overtime loss to undefeated Frisco Lone Star in the third round of the playoffs Friday.

Entering Tuesday, it was thought that Highland Park might move up to 6A, because in the last realignment, 6A consisted of schools with enrollments of 2,190 and above. When Highland Park was placed in 6A for two years starting in 2014, it went 10-2 and lost in the second round both years in football.

“Obviously we’re excited,” Ringo said. “I thought we would stay 5A just based on history. Historically, the increase each time has been 20 to 40 [students for the cutoff].”

When Highland Park was in the UIL’s top classification it was the state’s second-smallest 6A school, not counting schools that played up a classification. Highland Park will remain one of the state’s largest 5A schools rather than being in 6A with the state’s four largest schools — Allen (enrollment of 6,959), Plano West (5,579.5), Plano East (5,445.5) and Plano (4,999).

Since it returned to 5A, Highland Park won 13 state championships in all sports over the last three years and then added a state title in team tennis this fall. Competing in 5A, which uses the split-division format for the entire football season instead of just the playoffs like 6A, has meant that Highland Park competes in several different districts, such as football (6-5A Division I), basketball (11-5A), swimming and diving (12-5A) and wrestling (9-5A).

“I’m not a big fan of the way the districts are divided up,” Ringo said. “I miss the one-district [format], where you know who [the opponents] will be for every sport.”

CLASSIFICATION CUTOFF NUMBERS
Class 6A: 2,220 and above - 249 schools

Class 5A: 1,210-2,219 - 254 schools

Class 4A: 515-1,209 - 202 schools

Class 3A: 230-514 - 236 schools

Class 2A: 105-229 - 200 schools

Class 1A: 104.9 and below - 220 schools

DIVISION CUTOFF NUMBERS FOR FOOTBALL
1A Division I: 59.5 - 104.9 77 schools

1A Division II: 59.4 and below - 76 schools

2A Division I: 165.5 – 229 96 schools

2A Division II: 105 – 165.4 94 schools

3A Division I: 350 – 514 106 schools

3A Division II: 230 – 349 106 schools

4A Division I: 865 – 1209 92 schools

4A Division II: 515 – 864 92 schools

5A Division I: 1900 – 2219 126 schools

5A Division II: 1210 – 1899 125 schools

Class 6A playoff teams are split into Division I and Division II after the regular season based on the enrollments of the playoff teams in each districts.

TAKEAWAYS
State powers are on the move: After winning the Class 6A Division II football state championship last season and finishing 11-1 after a second-round playoff loss this year, Longview will play in 5A Division I next football season.

Longview’s enrollment dropped from 2,242.5 to 2,186.5. Class 5A Division I (for football only) will consist of schools with an enrollment of 1,900-2,219 students.

Amarillo Tascosa, which plays Denton Guyer in the 6A Division II Region I final on Saturday, is also moving down to 5A Division I. And undefeated Manvel, 13-0 going into its regional final, is moving up in 5A from Division II to Division I.

That means that next year, 5A Division I football will feature Manvel, Tascosa, Highland Park, Denton Ryan, Frisco Lone Star, Lancaster, Longview and Lufkin. Those schools are a combined 91-10 this season, with five of them still playing in the regional finals.

Alvin Shadow Creek, meanwhile, is moving up to 6A after its enrollment grew from 2,188.5 to 2,673.5 in two years. Shadow Creek was the 5A Division I state runner-up last year and is 13-0 this season.

San Antonio Wagner, currently 12-1 and playing in this week’s 5A Division I regional finals, is also moving up to 6A.

Dallas ISD changes: Skyline will be Dallas ISD’s only 6A school next school year with Molina and W.T. White dropping to 5A. Molina’s enrollment is 2,188 and W.T. White’s is 2,098.

The other DISD school changing classifications is Hillcrest, which is moving from 4A to 5A. Its enrollment of 1,375 will place it in 5A Division II for football.

Dallas ISD will have six schools -- Bryan Adams, Molina, Samuell, Sunset, W.T. White and Woodrow Wilson -- competing in 5A Division I in football. There could be an all-DISD district in 5A Division II for football, which could consist of Adamson, Conrad, Hillcrest, Thomas Jefferson, Kimball, Seagoville, South Oak Cliff and Spruce.

In 4A, Lincoln and Roosevelt will rise from Division II to Division I.

Schools rising, dropping: Denton Braswell is jumping all the way from 5A Division II to 6A for football after a 9-3 season. Its enrollment rose from 1,734.5 to 2,345.

Little Elm will move up from 5A Division I to 6A after an increase of 177 students put it 49 students above the 6A cutoff line. Crandall moves up from 4A to 5A and will be in Division II for football.

Mansfield Summit and Richland are moving down to 5A after they were two of the state’s smallest 6A schools for the last two years. Kaufman will move down from 5A to 4A.

A big change will be eight-time football state champion Celina dropping from 4A Division I to Division II. That will get it out of a district with state powerhouse Argyle, which is 13-0 this year and 94-6 over the last six years.

Justin Northwest, Midlothian, Red Oak, Frisco Reedy and Royse City will all remain in 5A, but they will all move from Division II to Division I for football. Mesquite Poteet and Carrollton Creekview are moving from 5A Division I to Division II.

Jesuit, which will play in the 6A Division II Region II final Saturday, nearly dropped to 5A. It was 12 students over the 6A cutoff line and will remain in the UIL’s largest classification.

South Garland’s enrollment of 2,151 would have placed it in 5A, but Garland ISD chose to have South Garland continue to play up in 6A so that all seven GISD schools can compete in the same classification.

Frisco ISD schools stay together: All 10 Frisco ISD high schools will continue to compete in 5A. Seven FISD schools will play in 5A Division I for football, while Frisco, Frisco Lebanon Trail and Frisco Memorial will be in 5A Division II.

Prosper’s new school: Prosper ISD is opening a second high school, and Rock Hill will start in 5A with an enrollment of 1,798 and will play in Division II for football. Prosper High submitted an enrollment of 2,699 and will stay in 6A.

REALIGNMENT CHANGES IN D-FW
These changes go into effect next school year. Division I and Division II are just for football. Class 6A only uses Division I and II for the playoffs.

MOVING UP

School                      Old         New
Denton Braswell    5A Div. II    6A
Little Elm    5A Div. I    6A
Frisco Reedy    5A Div. II    5A Div. I
Justin Northwest    5A Div. II    5A Div. I
Midlothian    5A Div. II    5A Div. I
Red Oak    5A Div. II    5A Div. I
Royse City    5A Div. II    5A Div. I
Crandall    4A Div. I    5A Div. II
Hillcrest    4A Div. I    5A Div. II
Lincoln    4A Div. II    4A Div. I
Roosevelt    4A Div. II    4A Div. I

MOVING DOWN

School    Old    New
Mansfield Summit    6A    5A Div. I
Molina    6A    5A Div. I
Richland    6A    5A Div. I
W.T. White    6A    5A Div. I
Mesquite Poteet    5A Div. I    5A Div. II
Carrollton Creekview    5A Div. I    5A Div. II
Kaufman    5A Div. II    4A Div. I
Celina    4A Div. I    4A Div. II
Sanger    4A Div. I    4A Div. II
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[DevilDog]

Link to Coach King talking about dropping to 5A and what he expects

East Texas schools on the move with new UIL conference cutoff numbers

https://www.kltv.com/2019/12/03/east-texas-schools-move-with-new-uil-conference-cutoff-numbers/

VIDEO: Longview Lobos head football coach talks about drop to 5A

“It will be a little different,” Longview Head football coach John King said. “We will rekindle some old rivalries in basketball, baseball, softball and track. In football we will be going into a totally different district. I think the only East Texas team we may match up with is John Tyler.”

If anyone thinks making the drop down to 5A will be a cakewalk for the Lobos justy consider how Lufkin went from the regional finals in 6A to two quick playoff exits in 5A DI.

“You have great teams,” King said. “Highland Park, Frisco Lone Star and Lancaster. I feel like it is equally as tough as what we just left.”

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[Horsefly]

12 minutes ago, DevilDog said:

HIGH SCHOOL SPORTS FOOTBALL

Updated UIL realignment takeaways: Highland Park likely headed for 5A, but fate still TBD; Dallas ISD schools see movement
Highland Park is 11 students below 6A cutoff line that was announced Tuesday.

Highland Park is staying in Class 5A for the next two years. By 11 students.

Tuesday morning, the UIL released the classification cutoff numbers and school enrollment numbers for its upcoming biennial realignment. Class 6A will be the 249 schools with an enrollment of 2,220 and above, and Highland Park’s enrollment is 2,209 — up from 2,180 two years ago.

The UIL will announce the district alignments for the next two school years on Feb. 3.

About five hours after the cutoff lines were announced, McAllen ISD posted on its Twitter page that the enrollment numbers for its schools were incorrect, including three schools that had been placed in 6A. Highland Park ISD athletic director Johnny Ringo started getting phone calls saying that if those three McAllen schools had to move down to 5A, the UIL might adjust the 6A cutoff line and Highland Park could end up moving up to the UIL’s largest classification.

Tuesday afternoon, UIL communications specialist Logan Lawrence sent an email saying that the classification cutoff numbers would not change, no matter which classification the McAllen schools end up in. But shortly after that, Lawrence said even that stance had changed, and that while the UIL doesn’t expect to change the cutoff numbers, it’s not completely ruling it out, either.

Highland Park has been in 5A for the last two realignments and is currently the state’s fourth-largest school in the UIL’s second-largest classification. Highland Park’s football team was 56-5 in that span — including 20-1 in the playoffs — but its bid for a fourth straight Class 5A Division I state championship fell short this year with a 33-27 overtime loss to undefeated Frisco Lone Star in the third round of the playoffs Friday.

Entering Tuesday, it was thought that Highland Park might move up to 6A, because in the last realignment, 6A consisted of schools with enrollments of 2,190 and above. When Highland Park was placed in 6A for two years starting in 2014, it went 10-2 and lost in the second round both years in football.

“Obviously we’re excited,” Ringo said. “I thought we would stay 5A just based on history. Historically, the increase each time has been 20 to 40 [students for the cutoff].”

When Highland Park was in the UIL’s top classification it was the state’s second-smallest 6A school, not counting schools that played up a classification. Highland Park will remain one of the state’s largest 5A schools rather than being in 6A with the state’s four largest schools — Allen (enrollment of 6,959), Plano West (5,579.5), Plano East (5,445.5) and Plano (4,999).

Since it returned to 5A, Highland Park won 13 state championships in all sports over the last three years and then added a state title in team tennis this fall. Competing in 5A, which uses the split-division format for the entire football season instead of just the playoffs like 6A, has meant that Highland Park competes in several different districts, such as football (6-5A Division I), basketball (11-5A), swimming and diving (12-5A) and wrestling (9-5A).

“I’m not a big fan of the way the districts are divided up,” Ringo said. “I miss the one-district [format], where you know who [the opponents] will be for every sport.”

CLASSIFICATION CUTOFF NUMBERS
Class 6A: 2,220 and above - 249 schools

Class 5A: 1,210-2,219 - 254 schools

Class 4A: 515-1,209 - 202 schools

Class 3A: 230-514 - 236 schools

Class 2A: 105-229 - 200 schools

Class 1A: 104.9 and below - 220 schools

DIVISION CUTOFF NUMBERS FOR FOOTBALL
1A Division I: 59.5 - 104.9 77 schools

1A Division II: 59.4 and below - 76 schools

2A Division I: 165.5 – 229 96 schools

2A Division II: 105 – 165.4 94 schools

3A Division I: 350 – 514 106 schools

3A Division II: 230 – 349 106 schools

4A Division I: 865 – 1209 92 schools

4A Division II: 515 – 864 92 schools

5A Division I: 1900 – 2219 126 schools

5A Division II: 1210 – 1899 125 schools

Class 6A playoff teams are split into Division I and Division II after the regular season based on the enrollments of the playoff teams in each districts.

TAKEAWAYS
State powers are on the move: After winning the Class 6A Division II football state championship last season and finishing 11-1 after a second-round playoff loss this year, Longview will play in 5A Division I next football season.

Longview’s enrollment dropped from 2,242.5 to 2,186.5. Class 5A Division I (for football only) will consist of schools with an enrollment of 1,900-2,219 students.

Amarillo Tascosa, which plays Denton Guyer in the 6A Division II Region I final on Saturday, is also moving down to 5A Division I. And undefeated Manvel, 13-0 going into its regional final, is moving up in 5A from Division II to Division I.

That means that next year, 5A Division I football will feature Manvel, Tascosa, Highland Park, Denton Ryan, Frisco Lone Star, Lancaster, Longview and Lufkin. Those schools are a combined 91-10 this season, with five of them still playing in the regional finals.

Alvin Shadow Creek, meanwhile, is moving up to 6A after its enrollment grew from 2,188.5 to 2,673.5 in two years. Shadow Creek was the 5A Division I state runner-up last year and is 13-0 this season.

San Antonio Wagner, currently 12-1 and playing in this week’s 5A Division I regional finals, is also moving up to 6A.

Dallas ISD changes: Skyline will be Dallas ISD’s only 6A school next school year with Molina and W.T. White dropping to 5A. Molina’s enrollment is 2,188 and W.T. White’s is 2,098.

The other DISD school changing classifications is Hillcrest, which is moving from 4A to 5A. Its enrollment of 1,375 will place it in 5A Division II for football.

Dallas ISD will have six schools -- Bryan Adams, Molina, Samuell, Sunset, W.T. White and Woodrow Wilson -- competing in 5A Division I in football. There could be an all-DISD district in 5A Division II for football, which could consist of Adamson, Conrad, Hillcrest, Thomas Jefferson, Kimball, Seagoville, South Oak Cliff and Spruce.

In 4A, Lincoln and Roosevelt will rise from Division II to Division I.

Schools rising, dropping: Denton Braswell is jumping all the way from 5A Division II to 6A for football after a 9-3 season. Its enrollment rose from 1,734.5 to 2,345.

Little Elm will move up from 5A Division I to 6A after an increase of 177 students put it 49 students above the 6A cutoff line. Crandall moves up from 4A to 5A and will be in Division II for football.

Mansfield Summit and Richland are moving down to 5A after they were two of the state’s smallest 6A schools for the last two years. Kaufman will move down from 5A to 4A.

A big change will be eight-time football state champion Celina dropping from 4A Division I to Division II. That will get it out of a district with state powerhouse Argyle, which is 13-0 this year and 94-6 over the last six years.

Justin Northwest, Midlothian, Red Oak, Frisco Reedy and Royse City will all remain in 5A, but they will all move from Division II to Division I for football. Mesquite Poteet and Carrollton Creekview are moving from 5A Division I to Division II.

Jesuit, which will play in the 6A Division II Region II final Saturday, nearly dropped to 5A. It was 12 students over the 6A cutoff line and will remain in the UIL’s largest classification.

South Garland’s enrollment of 2,151 would have placed it in 5A, but Garland ISD chose to have South Garland continue to play up in 6A so that all seven GISD schools can compete in the same classification.

Frisco ISD schools stay together: All 10 Frisco ISD high schools will continue to compete in 5A. Seven FISD schools will play in 5A Division I for football, while Frisco, Frisco Lebanon Trail and Frisco Memorial will be in 5A Division II.

Prosper’s new school: Prosper ISD is opening a second high school, and Rock Hill will start in 5A with an enrollment of 1,798 and will play in Division II for football. Prosper High submitted an enrollment of 2,699 and will stay in 6A.

REALIGNMENT CHANGES IN D-FW
These changes go into effect next school year. Division I and Division II are just for football. Class 6A only uses Division I and II for the playoffs.

MOVING UP

School                      Old         New
Denton Braswell    5A Div. II    6A
Little Elm    5A Div. I    6A
Frisco Reedy    5A Div. II    5A Div. I
Justin Northwest    5A Div. II    5A Div. I
Midlothian    5A Div. II    5A Div. I
Red Oak    5A Div. II    5A Div. I
Royse City    5A Div. II    5A Div. I
Crandall    4A Div. I    5A Div. II
Hillcrest    4A Div. I    5A Div. II
Lincoln    4A Div. II    4A Div. I
Roosevelt    4A Div. II    4A Div. I

MOVING DOWN

School    Old    New
Mansfield Summit    6A    5A Div. I
Molina    6A    5A Div. I
Richland    6A    5A Div. I
W.T. White    6A    5A Div. I
Mesquite Poteet    5A Div. I    5A Div. II
Carrollton Creekview    5A Div. I    5A Div. II
Kaufman    5A Div. II    4A Div. I
Celina    4A Div. I    4A Div. II
Sanger    4A Div. I    4A Div. II
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Good stuff.   Thx 

[Texasvic]

All three mcallen schools will drop to 5a. Their numbers  are way below the cutoff. Most of the kids they lost came due to sharyland pioneer (5a d2) opening and they also opened a non athletic dual enrollment school I believe in mcallen part of mcallen isd or something like that. Also IDEA charter schools are big overhere and theres about 6 in mcallen/mission/edingburg area. Hp , cc miller and maybe austin anderson and another school may be the “victims” to go up 

[Frosty4024]

7 hours ago, Texasball said:

I was at HP today and they are 11 off the line

EVERY time lol

[Guest]

13 hours ago, DevilDog said:

Link to Coach King talking about dropping to 5A and what he expects

East Texas schools on the move with new UIL conference cutoff numbers

https://www.kltv.com/2019/12/03/east-texas-schools-move-with-new-uil-conference-cutoff-numbers/

VIDEO: Longview Lobos head football coach talks about drop to 5A

“It will be a little different,” Longview Head football coach John King said. “We will rekindle some old rivalries in basketball, baseball, softball and track. In football we will be going into a totally different district. I think the only East Texas team we may match up with is John Tyler.”

If anyone thinks making the drop down to 5A will be a cakewalk for the Lobos justy consider how Lufkin went from the regional finals in 6A to two quick playoff exits in 5A DI.

“You have great teams,” King said. “Highland Park, Frisco Lone Star and Lancaster. I feel like it is equally as tough as what we just left.”

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If you know anything about John King, you know he respects his opponents. Guy even said nice things about North Mesquite and the only thing nice about North Mesquite is their band. Its simple coach talk.

5AD1 isn't as thick as 6AD2 is and could be yearly (based on district finishes). 5AD1 isnt weak...Ryan/LS/HP can ball every year but the classification as a whole certainly isnt what 6AD2 is yearly.

I mean my goodness, had districts finished slightly different this year, you could have had LV, Rockwall, Klein Collins, Klein Oak, Temple, Midway, Westfield all just in one region.

Longview's district alone will be alot weaker.

[DevilDog]

1 hour ago, WulfTangClan said:

If you know anything about John King, you know he respects his opponents. Guy even said nice things about North Mesquite and the only thing nice about North Mesquite is their band. Its simple coach talk.

5AD1 isn't as thick as 6AD2 is and could be yearly (based on district finishes). 5AD1 isnt weak...Ryan/LS/HP can ball every year but the classification as a whole certainly isnt what 6AD2 is yearly.

I mean my goodness, had districts finished slightly different this year, you could have had LV, Rockwall, Klein Collins, Klein Oak, Temple, Midway, Westfield all just in one region.

Longview's district alone will be alot weaker.

They will not win 5A DI . Hell they are equal to Lufkin and they can't get out of round 2.  Matter of fact Lufkin went further in 6ADII than they have in 5A DI.  LV will not win 5A DI.  And HP, Lancaster, Ryan and LS can play with all of those 6A teams.  HP been beating Rockwall like a stranger from the Lake recently.   HP is at home in 5A DI meanwhile Rockwall has opened a can of Whoop ass on 6A DII.    And if it is not as thick the Lobos should romp.   I can't wait till this time next year.   Hell Lancaster is the toughest Texas Team Duncanville has played so far and they are now in RD 4.  

“You have great teams,” King said. “Highland Park, Frisco Lone Star and Lancaster. I feel like it is equally as tough as what we just left.”  😄

[Guest]

1 hour ago, DevilDog said:

They will not win 5A DI . Hell they are equal to Lufkin and they can't get out of round 2.  Matter of fact Lufkin went further in 6ADII than they have in 5A DI.  LV will not win 5A DI.  And HP, Lancaster, Ryan and LS can play with all of those 6A teams.  HP been beating Rockwall like a stranger from the Lake recently.   HP is at home in 5A DI meanwhile Rockwall has opened a can of Whoop ass on 6A DII.    And if it is not as thick the Lobos should romp.   I can't wait till this time next year.   Hell Lancaster is the toughest Texas Team Duncanville has played so far and they are now in RD 4.  

Lufkin is a choke artist and has alot of internal issues. They've advanced passed Round 2 twice since 2005 regardless of classification. They played poorly as they usually do come playoff time.

The comparison to Longview just shows that you dont know alot about either program. Longview cant get out of Round 2? They just won state and took a trip to the semis the year before. They just had the states longest winstreak and average 4 rounds since King became HC in 2004. 

And you obviously have no idea of the talent coming up in Longview currently to say they have no chance in 5AD1. They will be a problem for teams in 5AD1 for sure and will certainly be in the mix.

And Lancaster is not beating Arlington Martin in a football game. Same can be said about SLC even if DV blows them away as well. 

Longview's biggest threats before state will be HP, LS and Ryan. 3 teams. That list is alot longer in 6A D2.

 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, DevilDog said:

HP is at home in 5A DI meanwhile Rockwall has opened a can of Whoop ass on 6A DII.   

*6AD1.

Does HP beat Allen this year? Yes or no?

I don't really care about what happened in August with HP and RR particularly when it comes to a psychological matchup like that.

[DevilDog]

2 hours ago, WulfTangClan said:

*6AD1.

Does HP beat Allen this year? Yes or no?

I don't really care about what happened in August with HP and RR particularly when it comes to a psychological matchup like that.

I don't go off of assumptions. I don't know if they beat Allen.  I watched Allen more than once.  They had issues with anyone that could pass the ball over 15 yards.   Not to bash the Lobos but outside of LV they are considered choke artists as well.  

Mckinney is in Allen's District  in 6A  and lost to 5ADI McKinney North 44 -42.  

Lancaster 58 McKinney North 28.    So yes they can play with those teams.   6A DII Tascosa lost to Freaking 5ADI Amarillo that lost to a 6A team that 4A W.F. Hirshi beat.  Tascosa still balling.  

I said in this forum that we would learn about the Lobos in the playoffs because that District suck.

6A DII is not a bunch of world beaters.   Lufkin did better their last out  in making 6A Regional's but in 5A they are getting beat. 

Dallas Jesuit 27  Lobos 25.   Yeah these teams look the same.  And the Lobos toughest game before was A Weak W.M. La. that only lost by 17 with no QB.   That's why I said we will find out when the playoffs started.   The Lobos usually pulls a Lufkin too truth be told. 

Lancaster 58 McKinney North 28. 

5A DI McKinney North 44   6A McKinney 42  (both made the playoffs)

Dallas Jesuit  24 McKinney 21  🤣a

AND YES I BELIEVE LANCASTER WOULD BEAT JESUIT.   Duncanville is in D1  and Their toughest game even up to now is 5A LANCASTER.   HP beat the Team that beat ALLEN 🤣

That would be a 6A DI team to boot. 

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17 minutes ago, DevilDog said:

 Not to bash the Lobos but outside of LV they are considered choke artists as well.  

To the level of Lufkin?

How many times have LV loss in Round 2 or Round 1 compared to LP?

They are no where near the same. Lufkin should be looking to fire Todd Quick while John King will probably have a statue in Longview when he retires.

Lobos will be a problem the next few years. They will be good in 2020 and 2021 and with drop in classes there's always a chance that they can win it. But 2022 and 2023 seasons in particular are looking very bright for Longview regardless of class.

I just hate that they arent in district anymore with Rockwall. Rockwall has a chance to make some major noise in the coming years, had one of the best 9th grade teams in the state this year and had a solid one last year as well.

 

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44 minutes ago, DevilDog said:

 

I said in this forum that we would learn about the Lobos in the playoffs because that District suck.

 

11-6A was one of the toughest districts in Texas. What are you talking about?

Longview catches an upset to Jesuit that no one saw coming, now all of a sudden they can't get past Round 2 and their district sucked. lol

It's sports. 

[DevilDog]

8 minutes ago, WulfTangClan said:

11-6A was one of the toughest districts in Texas. What are you talking about?

Longview catches an upset to Jesuit that no one saw coming, now all of a sudden they can't get past Round 2 and their district sucked. lol

It's sports. 

Ok

[Guest]

44 minutes ago, DevilDog said:

 

6A DII is not a bunch of world beaters.   

 

It's tougher than 5AD1.

Just because Lufkin doesn't perform to their potential yearly in the playoffs doesn't mean that's the case for everyone that drops down classes. Lufkin was losing first two rounds almost every year regardless of class. Has nothing to do with how tough 5AD1 is compared to 6A. Lufkin just doesn't perform in the playoffs for whatever reason. 

Longview goes from a district that featured: Rockwall, Mesquite, Horn, Heath, North Mesquite, Lee....to potentially playing Sherman, Wylie East, Royse City, West Mesquite, John Tyler and Mckinney North.

If you don't see the competition difference in that alone....you are kidding yourself. 

Again, no one said 5AD1 is weak but your hatred and ignorance toward 6A ball is not good.

[DevilDog]

9 minutes ago, WulfTangClan said:

It's tougher than 5AD1.

Just because Lufkin doesn't perform to their potential yearly in the playoffs doesn't mean that's the case for everyone that drops down classes. Lufkin was losing first two rounds almost every year regardless of class. Has nothing to do with how tough 5AD1 is compared to 6A. Lufkin just doesn't perform in the playoffs for whatever reason. 

Longview goes from a district that featured: Rockwall, Mesquite, Horn, Heath, North Mesquite, Lee....to potentially playing Sherman, Wylie East, Royse City, West Mesquite, John Tyler and Mckinney North.

If you don't see the competition difference in that alone....you are kidding yourself. 

Again, no one said 5AD1 is weak but your hatred and ignorance toward 6A ball is not good.

5A D1 Amarillo beat Tascosa

5A HP beat Rockwall.  

Both 5A teams are at home both 6A teams one in each division still playing

They will beat up that district like they did the one they're in now.  That district is not good.  Jeesh.  Marshall and Nac are giving LEE fits

 

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1 hour ago, DevilDog said:

 The Lobos usually pulls a Lufkin too truth be told. 

Lufkin since 2006:

1 Regional appearance

1 Quarterfinal appearance

*The rest were either 1st or 2nd round losses

 

Longview since 2006:

3 Regional appearances

2 Quarterfinal appearances

2 Semifinal appearances

3 State title game appearances

1 state title

* Many of Longview's playoff losses in this stretch came to teams who either won it all or went to the state game

 

Not understanding the comparison but I guess.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, DevilDog said:

 Lufkin did better their last out  in making 6A Regional's but in 5A they are getting beat. 

 

Since you nitpick Lufkin, how about I nitpick John Tyler.

John Tyler went from not making the playoffs their last year in 6A to nearly knocking off HP in the playoffs the next year. What say you?

John Tyler's best playoff runs the past decade have come when they were in the 2nd highest classification, not the highest. What say you?

[DevilDog]

8 minutes ago, WulfTangClan said:

Since you nitpick Lufkin, how about I nitpick John Tyler.

John Tyler went from not making the playoffs their last year in 6A to nearly knocking off HP in the playoffs the next year. What say you?

John Tyler's best playoff runs the past decade have come when they were in the 2nd highest classification, not the highest. What say you?

JT choked.  5A in East Texas is terrible.   4A squads are destroying them