ChimpGrip Posted February 28, 2017 Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 I watched a documentary called "Decade of Dominance" which covered the 1995 Nebraska football season, game by game. It it got me thinking though, would Nebraska be anywhere near that dominant today? Or even teams from the 90s in general? Here's why I ask-the size of the offensive lines for one. Nebraska had one guy on their O line who topped 300 pounds. I would say teams of today are on average much better. The teams ranked in the top 25 back then probably wouldn't crack the ranks today. Athletes are better it seems, and there's a lot more diversity in football schematically. Could the best teams of the 90s play with the best teams of the last 5-10 years? Curious what the common opinion of this is on here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
954gator Posted February 28, 2017 Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 It depends, as far as Nebraska's style...i think it would be hard for them against Dlines like Bama. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECHS05 Posted February 28, 2017 Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 No, they wouldnt be nearly as good. Simply put, the game has evolved. Not necessarily the athletes, just the way its played. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChimpGrip Posted February 28, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 5 minutes ago, 954gator said: It depends, as far as Nebraska's style...i think it would be hard for them against Dlines like Bama. Yeah I find it hard to believe they would run against a group like the 2011/2015/2016 Bama defensive fronts. Especially the 2015/16 group with Johnathan Allen, Tim Williams, Ashawn Robinson, Rueben Foster, Reggie Ragland, etc...guys who could just smother rushing attacks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChimpGrip Posted February 28, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 5 minutes ago, ECHS05 said: No, they wouldnt be nearly as good. Simply put, the game has evolved. Not necessarily the athletes, just the way its played. I agree. Would they beat any of these teams... Andrew Luck Stanford teams Chip Kelly Oregon teams Urban Meyer UF/OSU teams Nick Saban Bama teams Deshaun Watson Clemson teams Jameis Winston FSU teams? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECHS05 Posted March 1, 2017 Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 The ECHS05 2017 College Football Way-Too-Early Preseason Top 10 1. Georgia Bulldogs 2. Alabama Crimson Tide 3. Ohio St. Buckeyes 4. Oklahoma Sooners 5. Michigan Wolverines 6. USC Trojans 7. Clemson Tigers 8. Washington Huskies 9. LSU Tigers 10. Penn St. Nittany Lions Not 1 single team from 1990-1999 would beat any of those 10 teams. ... ok really Im kidding, I just wanted everyone to know UGA will be #1 next year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steeler01 Posted March 1, 2017 Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 41 minutes ago, ChimpGrip said: I agree. Would they beat any of these teams... Andrew Luck Stanford teams Chip Kelly Oregon teams Urban Meyer UF/OSU teams Nick Saban Bama teams Deshaun Watson Clemson teams Jameis Winston FSU teams? Yes they would. When you have the type of talent Nebraska and FSU had in the 90's it'll translate to any era. I think they'd struggle scoring on teams like Bama/Clemson/FSU, but Bama would struggle to score on those Nebraska teams as well. I think the Clemson and FSU team of 2013 would be the worse match ups for Nebraska. P.S. They'd run Oregon out of the stadium. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty4024 Posted March 1, 2017 Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 I HATE to say it...But if NEB was allowed to recruit like they did in the 90s with all the PROP 48 kids as walk-ons...They would still be giving teams hell to this day... These NEB teams of recent couldn't hold a candle to the NEB teams of the 90s talentwise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChimpGrip Posted March 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 1 hour ago, steeler01 said: Yes they would. When you have the type of talent Nebraska and FSU had in the 90's it'll translate to any era. I think they'd struggle scoring on teams like Bama/Clemson/FSU, but Bama would struggle to score on those Nebraska teams as well. I think the Clemson and FSU team of 2013 would be the worse match ups for Nebraska. P.S. They'd run Oregon out of the stadium. It goes beyond just talent. The game has changed. Bama would not struggle, mainly the 2012 team. Powerful rushing attack with a bunch of big guys up front, they'd run over Nebraska's front. Eddie Lacy running behind an O Line with 5 future NFL guys (who were all great at run blocking). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChimpGrip Posted March 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 1 hour ago, steeler01 said: Yes they would. When you have the type of talent Nebraska and FSU had in the 90's it'll translate to any era. I think they'd struggle scoring on teams like Bama/Clemson/FSU, but Bama would struggle to score on those Nebraska teams as well. I think the Clemson and FSU team of 2013 would be the worse match ups for Nebraska. P.S. They'd run Oregon out of the stadium. I think a team like 2015 Bama is the worst match up because of the strength of that front 7. That was the best front seven I've ever seen. Extremely good and very deep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty4024 Posted March 1, 2017 Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 6 minutes ago, ChimpGrip said: It goes beyond just talent. The game has changed. Bama would not struggle, mainly the 2012 team. Powerful rushing attack with a bunch of big guys up front, they'd run over Nebraska's front. Eddie Lacy running behind an O Line with 5 future NFL guys (who were all great at run blocking). Not sure how long you have been following NEB football...But those 90s teams were just as stacked on both sides of the ball as Alabama is now.... As for the game has changing...It would benefit the NEB of old...How many of these teams you think could prepare for the Power-I/Option teams NEB had in a weeks time... Answer...Not many...Hell...Georgia Tech and Navy still give teams fits running the option...I'm pretty sure NEB would be just fine... ....if they were allowed the Prop 48 kids lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChimpGrip Posted March 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 14 minutes ago, Frosty4024 said: Not sure how long you have been following NEB football...But those 90s teams were just as stacked on both sides of the ball as Alabama is now.... As for the game has changing...It would benefit the NEB of old...How many of these teams you think could prepare for the Power-I/Option teams NEB had in a weeks time... Answer...Not many...Hell...Georgia Tech and Navy still give teams fits running the option...I'm pretty sure NEB would be just fine... ....if they were allowed the Prop 48 kids lol Not sure how many, but I know Bama could. Bama eats Power-I teams for lunch (and the stats have shown that year in year out, especially the 2011/2015/2016 teams). Nebraska does not have the freaks that Bama has had the last few years. The athletes Bama have pulled in over the last few years are unreal. And after watching that documentary and seeing Nebraska and Bama up close, they DO NOT compare physically. Don't try to compare Phil Ellis to Reuben Foster or Terrel Fairley to Johnathan Allen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steeler01 Posted March 1, 2017 Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 2 hours ago, ChimpGrip said: It goes beyond just talent. The game has changed. Bama would not struggle, mainly the 2012 team. Powerful rushing attack with a bunch of big guys up front, they'd run over Nebraska's front. Eddie Lacy running behind an O Line with 5 future NFL guys (who were all great at run blocking). The game has changed, but Bama's game is old school, and that type of offense isn't gonna give Nebraska's defense fits. Nebraska had Grant Wistrom and Jason Peter on that D-Line. Go watch them play. You obviously haven't been watching football for very long if you're paying attention to just a documentary to make a judgement about that teams talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
954gator Posted March 1, 2017 Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 Steeler you think Nebraska would run a successful option attack against that Bama front? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steeler01 Posted March 1, 2017 Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 4 minutes ago, 954gator said: Steeler you think Nebraska would run a successful option attack against that Bama front? I don't think they'd eat them up, but I do think they'd score 14-21 points(When you have Lawrence Phillips, Ahman Green replacing him and Frazier back there, you're gonna score . a couple of TD's on anybody) The bigger question to me is how is Bama gonna move the ball on Nebraska? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChimpGrip Posted March 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 10 minutes ago, steeler01 said: The game has changed, but Bama's game is old school, and that type of offense isn't gonna give Nebraska's defense fits. Nebraska had Grant Wistrom and Jason Peter on that D-Line. Go watch them play. You obviously haven't been watching football for very long if you're paying attention to just a documentary to make a judgement about that teams talent. It's not just about scheme, it's the match ups. Sometimes teams match up ok with schemes in general, but if they're facing superior talent it doesn't matter (most of the time). The 2012 Bama offense would run over the Nebraska defense. That was a powerful and punishing offense. And Nebraska didn't have anyone who could cover the deep threat of Amari Cooper. And Bama may be old school, but talent-wise they are superior. So whether a team likes facing a pro style run first offense or not, they have to be able to match up with it. Bama didn't win offensively by being fancy, obviously. Teams more often than not KNEW or had an IDEA of what play was to come next. Yet teams still couldn't stop it. Why? Because Bama's offensive line, blocking TEs, FBs, and RBs were too big and strong for the opposition. The Georgia game was a brilliant example. And no I'm not basing it just off a documentary. And I'm quite familiar with their D line. The Peter brothers (both from NJ), Tomich, Winstrom, and others. But facing Bama is a LONG ways from facing Washington State, Kansas, Missouri, Iowa State, Florida, Pacific, Oklahoma State, etc. You must not know too much about football if you can't remember to think about match ups, only the most important part in analyzing a game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChimpGrip Posted March 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 12 minutes ago, steeler01 said: I don't think they'd eat them up, but I do think they'd score 14-21 points(When you have Lawrence Phillips, Ahman Green replacing him and Frazier back there, you're gonna score . a couple of TD's on anybody) The bigger question to me is how is Bama gonna move the ball on Nebraska? They would run the ball down their god damned throats. It's a bad match up. And the recent Bama fronts would devour that Nebraska offensive front. Nothing against them, but it's a huge physical mismatch. Don't try to tell me a 210 pound FB is going to block Johnathan Allen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChimpGrip Posted March 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 18 minutes ago, 954gator said: Steeler you think Nebraska would run a successful option attack against that Bama front? The speed and strength of the 2016 Bama front would overwhelm Nebraska. Nebraska never saw a defensive front even in the same universe as Bama 16! Furthermore, the Bama pass rush was flat out NASTY! Bama front would be getting all kinds of penetration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steeler01 Posted March 1, 2017 Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 1 minute ago, ChimpGrip said: It's not just about scheme, it's the match ups. Sometimes teams match up ok with schemes in general, but if they're facing superior talent it doesn't matter (most of the time). The 2012 Bama offense would run over the Nebraska defense. That was a powerful and punishing offense. And Nebraska didn't have anyone who could cover the deep threat of Amari Cooper. You keep saying Bama has superior talent without knowing nothing about the Nebraska team. Nobody is beating up on those Nebraska teams by just running the ball right at them. 95 Nebraska isn't 2012 Notre Dame. And Bama may be old school, but talent-wise they are superior. So whether a team likes facing a pro style run first offense or not, they have to be able to match up with it. Bama didn't win offensively by being fancy, obviously. Teams more often than not KNEW or had an IDEA of what play was to come next. Yet teams still couldn't stop it. Why? Because Bama's offensive line, blocking TEs, FBs, and RBs were too big and strong for the opposition. The Georgia game was a brilliant example. Once again, you have no clue about who Nebraska had on defense, just who Bama had in 2012. And no I'm not basing it just off a documentary. And I'm quite familiar with their D line. The Peter brothers (both from NJ), Tomich, Winstrom, and others. But facing Bama is a LONG ways from facing Washington State, Kansas, Missouri, Iowa State, Florida, Pacific, Oklahoma State, etc. You do know that Kansas State, Colorado, Florida, and Kansas were all top 10 teams in 1995 right? Facing Nebraska wouldn't be like facing 2012 Notre Dame. It be like facing that LSU defense with a legit running game(A game Bama needed a last second passing TD to win in 2012) You must not know too much about football if you can't remember to think about match ups, only the most important part in analyzing a game. Match up wise, the game would be a defensive slug fest, with a big play or two determining the outcome. I'll put my money on Frazier over McCarron on making that big play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steeler01 Posted March 1, 2017 Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 12 minutes ago, ChimpGrip said: The speed and strength of the 2016 Bama front would overwhelm Nebraska. Nebraska never saw a defensive front even in the same universe as Bama 16! Furthermore, the Bama pass rush was flat out NASTY! Bama front would be getting all kinds of penetration. Did Bama see a defense like the one the 1995 Nebraska team had? Keep in mind, Bama was held to 10 points by LSU and 17 points by Washington. Once again, how is Bama going to score? If you think Bama is going to just run right at Nebraska and score at will there's no helping you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
954gator Posted March 1, 2017 Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 Ehh 2008 gators whoop up on all these fools...Bama included. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
954gator Posted March 1, 2017 Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 Canes in 2001 were nasty as well as some of those FSU teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steeler01 Posted March 1, 2017 Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 Just now, 954gator said: Ehh 2008 gators whoop up on all these fools...Bama included. I liked that team, and at the beginning of the year, I thought that was the only team that could beat USC if both played their A games Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChimpGrip Posted March 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 2 minutes ago, steeler01 said: Farley, Minter, Tomich, Terrwilliger, need I go on? Just because I'm not naming off players and talking about them personnel wise doesn't mean I don't know anything about them. And it doesn't make it not a mismatch. LSU had a much faster defense in 2012 than Nebraska 95. You had guys like Mingo on the D line (who could RUN down RBs like Lamichael James) and Eric Reid in the backfield, to name a couple. Really dumb comparison. You said that out of emotion, because you know that was the toughest defense played against, and you want to convince yourself Nebraska was just like that. Do your homework on other teams' personnel before spouting off stupid comments of your own. To beat Bama, you had to have a QB who could sling it around and make the plays, and have match up issue receivers. LSU and A&M had fantastic receivers that year (better than anyone on 95 Nebraska)...that'a partially why the LSU and A&M games were really close. Those 4 ranked teams in 1995 would make the top 25 in today's game. They were good for THEIR time, for their ERA. 1995 Washington State, Florida, whoever, would not be a top 10 team in today's game. Nebraska never saw a power I attack anything like Bama. You think their undersized OL is going to pave the way for them to run on Bama? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steeler01 Posted March 1, 2017 Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 Just now, 954gator said: Canes in 2001 were nasty as well as some of those FSU teams. To crush a team like 95 Nebraska you'd have to be able to throw the ball on passing downs with a lot of success, and have a great D-line with some fast LB's/DB's. The best teams IMO to be able to do that would be 2001 Miami, 2003/2004 USC, 2005 Texas, 2006 Florida, 2008 Florida, 2013 FSU, 2015/2016 Clemson, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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