Sycamore78 Posted March 5, 2017 Report Share Posted March 5, 2017 I would like to hear what everyone's thoughts are on a unique situation. Suppose you have two offense linemen that are head and shoulders above the rest of the kids in your program. Do you put them both on the same side of the line with a clear strong side or put them at opposing tackles to balance the defense? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECHS05 Posted March 5, 2017 Report Share Posted March 5, 2017 1 minute ago, Sycamore78 said: I would like to hear what everyone's thoughts are on a unique situation. Suppose you have two offense linemen that are head and shoulders above the rest of the kids in your program. Do you put them both on the same side of the line with a clear strong side or put them at opposing tackles to balance the defense? IMO , Opposing Tackles if you are a passing team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawgGoneIt Posted March 5, 2017 Report Share Posted March 5, 2017 5 minutes ago, Sycamore78 said: I would like to hear what everyone's thoughts are on a unique situation. Suppose you have two offense linemen that are head and shoulders above the rest of the kids in your program. Do you put them both on the same side of the line with a clear strong side or put them at opposing tackles to balance the defense? I think maybe you use them situationally depending on the team you are facing and their strengths. If they are GREAT linemen, you can move them around to fill where you need them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sycamore78 Posted March 5, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 5, 2017 We are a small school that will rely on them to play both sides of the ball, and will run the ball 90% of the time. I appreciate all comments because we are currently split on what to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawgGoneIt Posted March 5, 2017 Report Share Posted March 5, 2017 13 minutes ago, Sycamore78 said: We are a small school that will rely on them to play both sides of the ball, and will run the ball 90% of the time. I appreciate all comments because we are currently split on what to do. I think you move them around and shake things up. Use them in different places in different sets and packages. If you are running right maybe they are both on that side for a power run, but then in a different set, split them to either side for a run as well. You have to mix it up or good defensive coordinators and defenses with great captains will key on what you are doing. Maybe you even start the season one way and see how it goes. 90% run, you may want to keep them together and run behind them on whichever side they are on. If they are dominant guys, and your rb is good, then maybe that's enough. Sometimes, teams can know what you are doing and still can't stop it when the players are dominant enough. Then when planning for tougher competition shake things up by splitting them up or whatever. That's the beauty of having talented players, although it is also the curse, because you can easily overthink what you are doing or get too set and happy with it one way and cost yourselves some wins by not being fluid enough. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Kurkjian Posted March 5, 2017 Report Share Posted March 5, 2017 What class are the two best linemen in and then the other projected starters? I think switching some of the roles is fine if there is a lot of experience, but typically if there's not, you might want to simplify things a little more and build defined roles so the unit jells quicker. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawgGoneIt Posted March 5, 2017 Report Share Posted March 5, 2017 1 minute ago, Adam Kurkjian said: What class are the two best linemen in and then the other projected starters? I think switching some of the roles is fine if there is a lot of experience, but typically if there's not, you might want to simplify things a little more and build defined roles so the unit jells quicker. Yeah, I didn't think of experience levels. Kind of went in considering they already were settled in. #spoiled rotten 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawgGoneIt Posted March 5, 2017 Report Share Posted March 5, 2017 PS. Welcome Aboard Sycamore. Glad to have you on here. Pound it bro! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sycamore78 Posted March 5, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 5, 2017 The two lineman I am talking about will be seniors and both are getting some small school D1 looks (MAC) but we will only have one other kid with experience on Friday nights. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Kurkjian Posted March 5, 2017 Report Share Posted March 5, 2017 I would say also that it sort of depends on what type of players these two linemen are. What are their strengths? Is one better at pulling? Does one have the ability to make line calls pre-snap? Also, what type of running plays are we talking here? Is it zone-type blocking or more power runs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sycamore78 Posted March 5, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 5, 2017 Both are heavy handed (one is lighter on their feet than the other) and neither one would be classified as an honor roll student. Our OC is big on gap blocking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Kurkjian Posted March 5, 2017 Report Share Posted March 5, 2017 OK. Well, just my opinion, but I'd place them side-by-side with the guy who moves well as your guard because there's enough pulling to warrant that. If you basically double down on the strength of your team with one side you may at least have something you can count on. Then, once the players get a little more settled, you can add layers and maybe move guys around some. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golfaddict1 Posted March 5, 2017 Report Share Posted March 5, 2017 9 hours ago, Adam Kurkjian said: OK. Well, just my opinion, but I'd place them side-by-side with the guy who moves well as your guard because there's enough pulling to warrant that. If you basically double down on the strength of your team with one side you may at least have something you can count on. Then, once the players get a little more settled, you can add layers and maybe move guys around some. I'd favor one side also and pull the heck out of the guard so that at least on designed plays to the other side you have a stout blocker in play. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wooderson Posted March 5, 2017 Report Share Posted March 5, 2017 11 hours ago, Sycamore78 said: The two lineman I am talking about will be seniors and both are getting some small school D1 looks (MAC) but we will only have one other kid with experience on Friday nights. Is the third kid (the only other one with varsity experience) capable of playing center? In 2002 Peoria Centennial (AZ) had a major youth movement where their two best seniors were a pair of big linemen (one would go on to start at Stanford, the other would commit to play ball at NAU following graduation). The next best two linemen were a pair of big (270+) sophomores, and they had a senior kid that didn't have the physical attributes of the other guys but was capable of playing center. Hence, they plugged that guy at center, put the two D-1 guys at guard, the sophomores at the tackle spots, and were fortunate enough to have a couple muscled-up backs that could pound the ball between the tackles. That team couldn't pass the ball worth a lick, but it did win a (then) school-record eight games and is generally considered the start of the Centennial dynasty west of Phoenix. Now with that said, another Arizona team (Queen Creek) had a similar situation this year and stacked their two studs on the same side, had a senior running back go for over 1700-yards, and they played in their division's semifinals. More than one way to skin a cat. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted March 6, 2017 Report Share Posted March 6, 2017 I would put them at both guard positions based on the info you have provided. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GloryDays Posted March 6, 2017 Report Share Posted March 6, 2017 3 hours ago, Lurker said: I would put them at both guard positions based on the info you have provided. Agreed. Take your next best athletic lineman and put him at center. You can make some things happen in HS with solid guards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golfaddict1 Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 On 3/5/2017 at 10:50 AM, Wooderson said: Is the third kid (the only other one with varsity experience) capable of playing center? In 2002 Peoria Centennial (AZ) had a major youth movement where their two best seniors were a pair of big linemen (one would go on to start at Stanford, the other would commit to play ball at NAU following graduation). The next best two linemen were a pair of big (270+) sophomores, and they had a senior kid that didn't have the physical attributes of the other guys but was capable of playing center. Hence, they plugged that guy at center, put the two D-1 guys at guard, the sophomores at the tackle spots, and were fortunate enough to have a couple muscled-up backs that could pound the ball between the tackles. That team couldn't pass the ball worth a lick, but it did win a (then) school-record eight games and is generally considered the start of the Centennial dynasty west of Phoenix. Now with that said, another Arizona team (Queen Creek) had a similar situation this year and stacked their two studs on the same side, had a senior running back go for over 1700-yards, and they played in their division's semifinals. More than one way to skin a cat. Wooderson this is bs. Let the kid play! http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/high-school/2017/03/07/rb-zidane-thomas-returns-centennial-hopes-win-aia-hardship-appeal/98860958/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wooderson Posted March 18, 2017 Report Share Posted March 18, 2017 On 3/16/2017 at 2:41 PM, golfaddict1 said: Wooderson this is bs. Let the kid play! http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/high-school/2017/03/07/rb-zidane-thomas-returns-centennial-hopes-win-aia-hardship-appeal/98860958/ Hey man, not my call-they haven't given me that sort of power...yet. I don't think decisiveness over transfers is an issue unique to Arizona, though I do think the presence of open enrollment as the law of the land (essentially enrollment boundaries are a mere suggestion and don't have a lot of relevance to where one goes to school) complicates the matter. That said the reaction out here has been almost universal that transfer rules do not exist for situations like Zidane's. One of those circumstances where the letter of the law and spirit of the law are at odds with one another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORabidOne Posted March 19, 2017 Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 On 3/4/2017 at 10:43 PM, Sycamore78 said: I would like to hear what everyone's thoughts are on a unique situation. Suppose you have two offense linemen that are head and shoulders above the rest of the kids in your program. Do you put them both on the same side of the line with a clear strong side or put them at opposing tackles to balance the defense? I'd put them in a position where your offense would be most effective and most comfortable running in short yardage! Another consideration would be to place them in the position where they provided MAX protection for your QB! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AztecPadre Posted March 19, 2017 Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 On 3/16/2017 at 2:41 PM, golfaddict1 said: Wooderson this is bs. Let the kid play! http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/high-school/2017/03/07/rb-zidane-thomas-returns-centennial-hopes-win-aia-hardship-appeal/98860958/ Good find. Hope he's granted a hardship. Sounds like he had no choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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