Does Your State Split Public & Private Playoffs?

[SoCalFball]

Just trying to see how many states do it. I think they should be separate because they both have different resources. 

[Horsefly]

7 minutes ago, SoCalFball said:

Just trying to see how many states do it. I think they should be separate because they both have different resources. 

In TX, "yes". It's a separate league altogether. 

[zulu1128]

Hell no. Best ream gets the ring...as God intended. 

[RedZone]

Our publics/privates play in the same league, but split for the playoffs which basically sucks.

It wasn't always this way. 

We have only one true all private district in Louisiana. The NOLA Catholic League which now includes private John Curtis.

The rest of the privates play in districts with the publics.

[TheMaximumHornetSting]

1 hour ago, SoCalFball said:

Just trying to see how many states do it. I think they should be separate because they both have different resources. 

Yes. 

The GHSA is public(Mostly) and GISA is private 

However there are a few privates that play in GHSA. 

Marist

Blessed Trinity

St.Pius X 

Westminster 

Greater Atlanta Christian

Lovett 

Woodward Academy 

Benedictine Catholic

Valwood. 

And then there's class 1A private... 

That's it...

[93CardinalsFan]

Ohio - NO

Kentucky - NO

-93CardinalsFan

[Champa]

Texas schools are split up for the most part.

There are two private schools that I know of that can play with the public schools in Texas. Houston Strake Jesuit and Dallas Jesuit compete in the UIL with the public schools. If Strake Jesuit had won their playoff game this past week, they would have likely represented region 3 in Texas. It would have really raised some eyebrows had a Catholic school been able to do that in the state.

From what I understand, both schools were too big for TAPPs. They had no home. Jesuit petitioned the UIL to let them in to compete with the Texas publics. They were allowed to on the condition that they had to play in the highest classification in the state regardless of their school size.

Now that they've had some success and made a name for themselves, it'll be interesting to see if Strake Jesuit can pull more players for their program. It's not a stretch to say the real best private in Texas this year was playing with the publics.

[HSFBfan]

Yes

[NicholasMalibu]

MD/DC publics do their own thing. They have a unrivaled hatred for private schools. There isn’t a true state championship for the private schools in DC or MD. They play for championships in leagues like the Washington Catholic Athletic Conference(WCAC), Interstate Athletic Conference(IAC) or Maryland Interscholastic Athletic Association(MIAA). 

[HawgGoneIt]

54 minutes ago, NicholasMalibu said:

MD/DC publics do their own thing. They have a unrivaled hatred for private schools. There isn’t a true state championship for the private schools in DC or MD. They play for championships in leagues like the Washington Catholic Athletic Conference(WCAC), Interstate Athletic Conference(IAC) or Maryland Interscholastic Athletic Association(MIAA). 

 

There isn't a state championship for the privates?? Say whaaaaat? 

 

4 minutes ago, GardenStateBaller said:

Officially the privates are deemed "unsafe" to play by the publics. Hilarious. 

 

How is it that the Geico State Champions Bowl invites a team that isn't a state champion again, and well before the real championships are even played? 

[HawgGoneIt]

Georgia is kinda weird when it comes to privates and publics. 

There has as long as I can remember an Independent association called the GISA that was created because the private schools didn't want to abide by the same rules as everyone else. 

There are still some privates that are in the main high school association as well though, and they actually play regular member schools, except for in 1A classification where there is a split. 

I guess the answer for Georgia is yes and no. 

[HawgGoneIt]

7 minutes ago, GardenStateBaller said:

Honest question...I saw that approx 32 teams make the playoffs in each class. Don't you think that's a wee bit much? 

It probably is. The first round games are pretty unnecessary imo, but, I don't fuss a lot. Let them play and say they made the playoffs, even if they're usually sacrificial lambs. 

Some regions are so weak their fourth seed should never be in the playoffs imo. 

[Nolebull813]

Florida has made class 1A called the rural division which is the state's smallest public schools. 

Class 2A is called the Urban Division which is the state's smallest privates. 

3A-8A is a mixture of public and private with some classes having more than the other but not exclusive to either

[HawgGoneIt]

9 minutes ago, GardenStateBaller said:

Is BT still the best private right now? 

Probably. I don't follow them heavily, but I think they are likely the top private football team.

 

[Nolebull813]

23 minutes ago, HawgGoneIt said:

 

There isn't a state championship for the privates?? Say whaaaaat? 

 

 

How is it that the Geico State Champions Bowl invites a team that isn't a state champion again, and well before the real championships are even played? 

The Geico games have a good idea but I would much rather them use that money to have all the state's play in the regular season. 

STA vs ST Louis Hawaii and Colquitt/Rome vs St Frances is trash compared to a week 1 event featuring the likes of Allen, Mater Dei, Colquitt, MC, SJB, Gorman, Katy, SJR, etc etc. 

[HawgGoneIt]

1 minute ago, GardenStateBaller said:

In recent years, has an underdog (8 seed or higher) ever won it all in the upper three  classes? 

Colquitt has made some deep runs as an underdog, meaning they entered the bracket as less than a 2 seed. Not sure of their overall seed in the state during those runs, but I don't think anyone that low of an overall seed has taken the trophy at the end. 

[Nolebull813]

2 minutes ago, GardenStateBaller said:

I admire FL and OHs playoff systems the most. 

Privates don't rule the roost here. STA lost to 3 publics last year. Miami Central smoked STA and Cardinal Gibbons. Both games were blowouts. 

Florida is unique because the privates are just as plentiful as the publics but neither dominate the other. In GA and TX the publics are so massive in numbers they can't help but be successful against them. They outnumber them like 25-1. 

[Coletrain06]

13 minutes ago, GardenStateBaller said:

Honest question...I saw that approx 32 teams make the playoffs in each class. Don't you think that's a wee bit much? 

After the season last year, I took a little bit of time and applied the Ohio Playoff system to Georgia 7A.......while doing it, the thing that blew my mind the most was the % of teams that make the playoffs, especially in 7A. There's only like ~48 teams in 7A, IIRC. 

[HawgGoneIt]

1 minute ago, Nolebull813 said:

The Geico games have a good idea but I would much rather them use that money to have all the state's play in the regular season. 

STA vs ST Louis Hawaii and Colquitt/Rome vs St Frances is trash compared to a week 1 event featuring the likes of Allen, Mater Dei, Colquitt, MC, SJB, Gorman, Katy, SJR, etc etc. 

I certainly like the Geico idea as well. The issue we are seeing with it is it can become an expensive proposition for the large public schools, which would require an investment above what they're offering. It's difficult to quantify the value of the expense when there is no tangible reward outside of just saying you played in the game. 

If we were looking at a for sure MNC type playoff series, it's possibly an easier sell. If your looking at, ehh maybe you can climb a spot in a poll or two, but nobody knows for sure... Yeah. Y'all go tell the administration to kick out the approval and dough for it. 

 

Given the current situation with polls and the teams allowed to play and disallowed...  Certainly it would be a good idea to turn it into something like the ESPN kickoff series or something where more teams are available to play in it. 

[HawgGoneIt]

4 minutes ago, HawgGoneIt said:

I certainly like the Geico idea as well. The issue we are seeing with it is it can become an expensive proposition for the large public schools, which would require an investment above what they're offering. It's difficult to quantify the value of the expense when there is no tangible reward outside of just saying you played in the game. 

If we were looking at a for sure MNC type playoff series, it's possibly an easier sell. If your looking at, ehh maybe you can climb a spot in a poll or two, but nobody knows for sure... Yeah. Y'all go tell the administration to kick out the approval and dough for it. 

 

Given the current situation with polls and the teams allowed to play and disallowed...  Certainly it would be a good idea to turn it into something like the ESPN kickoff series or something where more teams are available to play in it. 

I say this stuff without having anything more than an opinion btw. 

I'm certainly not in any position to say Colquitt would or wouldn't go if invited. Just saying the obvious issues I can see with the series. 

[CCBlackhatter]

7 hours ago, GardenStateBaller said:

In recent years, has an underdog (8 seed or higher) ever won it all in the upper three classes? 

In 2010, Colquitt made the state championship as the #4 seed from Region 1.

In 2017, Colquitt made the state championship as the #3 seed in Region 1.

I would only support a reduction to 16 playoff teams if a power rating system determined seeding. With the current set up, if only 16 teams (2 teams from each region) made the playoffs, then we would be sitting at home instead of playing for a championship those 2 years.

 

[sausmann9]

22 hours ago, SoCalFball said:

Just trying to see how many states do it. I think they should be separate because they both have different resources. 

No PA does not but many wish they would.  currently a big push in the state for that to happen.

[sausmann9]

18 hours ago, GardenStateBaller said:

Officially the privates are deemed "unsafe" to play by the publics. Hilarious. 

its not really all that hilarious when you think about it.  

here's a good example - last season in PA we had Imhotep Charter playing a local community school Saucon Valley (9 different zip codes vs 1.5 zip codes).  Both teams are in PA's AAAA class but you couldn't have two differing teams.  SV has a bunch of 165 pounders at maybe 5'9" with one "bigger" kid going to Lehigh University playing against a Phila all-star team w/ 6 - 7 D1 players on offense and 5 different D1 players on defense.  Needless to say three SV kids were hurt in the first half on bigtime hits (2 of them very legal meaning not a blindside shot).  The game ended 73 - 14 or something like that.  SV had negative yards until end of 3rd quarter.  SV was 12-1 while playing public schools in the eastern half of PA at the AAAA class.  They were good but NOWHERE NEAR what any public team would have needed to even compete with that roster.   This would be similar to Pburg vs Bosco in any year between 1998 and 2015 for a title.

Now I ask where is the fun in that???  As a fan it sucked.  As a parent I couldn't even imagine it.  As a player for SV I would have probably did my best but thought soccer or lacross would be much more fun.  

You have many private schools that coach kids up for the next level because thats what the school is there for as well as the parent paying money to be coached by a name-brand.  Then you have many public schools that simply offer football as a varsity sport.  Thats a HUGE HUGE difference and its not until those playoffs when you actually see this wide margin of athleticism and athletic depth. 

Check out Bethlehem Catholic for example.  their line goes about 6'3" 270.    They have two guys over 6'6".  No other public school in the four surrounding leagues has anything like that yet all their players come from those towns.

Your Bosco and Bergens don't belong playing pburg and hacketstown for titles.  They would get killed!   

[Gospeeder]

On 11/26/2018 at 3:54 PM, Nolebull813 said:

The Geico games have a good idea but I would much rather them use that money to have all the state's play in the regular season. 

STA vs ST Louis Hawaii and Colquitt/Rome vs St Frances is trash compared to a week 1 event featuring the likes of Allen, Mater Dei, Colquitt, MC, SJB, Gorman, Katy, SJR, etc etc. 

Agreed...  with the exception that the first game of the year doesn't really tell much. Most states with the exception of Tx could accommodate a selected "post Playoff" team.