47% of NJ millennials age 18-34 living with their parents

[Troll]

1 hour ago, Bormio said:

The viable solution is simple - get a job and get your own place.  Share the costs with a friend if you have to.  It is unhealthy to live with your parents when you are 27 or 28 - and frankly a bit weird.  Other generations seemed to have managed it, and young people have always been without much money.  But they knew how to manage costs (or quickly learned).

Yes you just nailed the approach everyone is taking or has tried to take.....note the numbers...costs exceed that scenario

That approach still has to high a percentage of fails...and is basically not feasible for many here.....overtaxed and bled from any gains being made...

The parents usually step in and provide the support required to stay afloat....

just reality for some...

[THS2011]

I have a roommate. I've been moved out since 18. 

[HSFBfan]

4 hours ago, GardenStateBaller said:

Mississippi 

Exactly. That's why I have to go south. 

[HSFBfan]

39 minutes ago, Troll said:

Yes you just nailed the approach everyone is taking or has tried to take.....note the numbers...costs exceed that scenario

That approach still has to high a percentage of fails...and is basically not feasible for many here.....overtaxed and bled from any gains being made...

The parents usually step in and provide the support required to stay afloat....

just reality for some...

Bingo

[rockinl]

On 11/29/2018 at 8:13 PM, HSFBfan said:

So give me a location where you can make lets say 40k and live comfortably??

Thats a big issue with you young folks. Youve grown up with a spoiled lifestyle, and you need to understand that WAS NOT YOURS, but PROVIDED FOR YOU.

When I was much younger with 2 kids, for a while I had 2 jobs, went to college part time, and we ate a lot of rice and bologna.

 

Your generation has ZERO mental toughness.

[HSFBfan]

55 minutes ago, rockinl said:

Thats a big issue with you young folks. Youve grown up with a spoiled lifestyle, and you need to understand that WAS NOT YOURS, but PROVIDED FOR YOU.

When I was much younger with 2 kids, for a while I had 2 jobs, went to college part time, and we ate a lot of rice and bologna.

 

Your generation has ZERO mental toughness.

Depends on what you consider comfortable. Seems like a lot of you guys are suggesting we want a mansion with 3 cars etc etc. That's not what I'm looking for at all. 

Oh and btw that was your deicision to have 2 kids and have to work like that. See my generation is smarter. Were not having kids like that. 

[TheHotisBlock]

On 11/29/2018 at 11:51 PM, Bormio said:

I am sorry - to go to college for 4 years and then move back in with mommy and daddy is generally hard to defend.  There can be exceptions, but generally it represents poor planning, laziness or “failure to launch”.  Usually your parents do not want you there - they have their own lives to live - they spent 20 years raising you with the expectation you would grow up and leave.  There are plenty of jobs now, work two if you have to.  But get out of your parents’ house.

The problem with your argument, although somewhat valid, is this:

1. College did not hardly cost a thing for baby boomers (parents of millennials) Student loan debt wasn't even a thing.

2. Housing costs 10x more, and much more in some places, than it did for "our parents."

3. Pay is virtually the same now as it was 20-30 years ago, when accounting for inflation, with costs for everything being outrageously more.

4. Healthcare was virtually free for baby boomers during their "struggle years." Have you seen costs now?

Do I need to go on?

On top of ALL this- our "parents" will receive social security, medicare, pensions (or other forms of retirement), all while "millennials" will likely see none of this, or it will be vastly reduced, all while crying that "millennials" need to get their shit together! Seems fair right?

I do agree with your point that kids should get out on their own and do whatever it takes. However, we must realize the challenge this presents in the context of time, versus what our parents "struggled" with.

[HSFBfan]

3 minutes ago, TheHotisBlock said:

The problem with your argument, although somewhat valid, is this:

1. College did not hardly cost a thing for baby boomers (parents of millennials) Student loan debt wasn't even a thing.

2. Housing costs 10x more, and much more in some places, than it did for "our parents."

3. Pay is virtually the same now as it was 20-30 years ago, when accounting for inflation, with costs for everything being outrageously more.

4. Healthcare was virtually free for baby boomers during their "struggle years." Have you seen costs now?

Do I need to go on?

On top of ALL this- our "parents" will receive social security, medicare, pensions (or other forms of retirement), all while "millennials" will likely see none of this, or it will be vastly reduced. Seems fair right?

I do agree with your point that kids should get out on their own and do whatever it takes. However, we must realize the challenge this presents in the context of time, versus what our parents "struggled" with.

Bingo

[ohio]

On 11/29/2018 at 9:10 PM, Sportsnut said:

Like the man said,.......move.

I have told you that you can get  a 6 bdr-3 1/2 bath with acreage in Georgia for what you pay for a 3 bdr-2bath in Jersey.

Exactly.  Same here in Ohio, and most of the Midwest in general.  Pretty sure most of the South is the same way.  Even Florida has affordable areas to live.

For the life of me, I can't figure out why middle class people want to live in the East or West Coast where it is so expensive.

[ohio]

On 11/29/2018 at 9:13 PM, HSFBfan said:

So give me a location where you can make lets say 40k and live comfortably?? Please let me know. Im curious as I am looking to move

Hate to tell you also the trend will continue of people staying home longer...getting married later or not at al....having no kids etc etc

Most of Ohio.  Buffalo/Schenectady NY area, Indiana, Iowa, Kentucky and most of the South, off the top of my head....  Here's a list of average home prices of major cities.  As a matter of a fact some of the Cleveland suburbs have homes for sale that are less than 50K, and apartments going for less than $600/mo.

Akron, Ohio	$125,000	1.9	-19.8	31.8	2
Albany, N.Y.	$172,000	1.9	-4.7	7.5	5
Allentown, Pa.	$175,000	5.6	-19.9	17.1	4
Atlanta, Ga.	$190,000	7.3	-3.2	88.8	4
Augusta, Ga.	$147,000	3.4	0.4	19.0	1
Austin, Texas	$251,000	3.5	72.8	71.2	9
Bakersfield, Calif.	$199,000	6.0	-26.7	70.7	6
Baltimore, Md.	$238,000	5.6	-19.4	18.2	7
Baton Rouge, La.	$166,000	3.5	13.1	14.9	2
Birmingham, Ala.	$131,000	3.6	-11.8	27.5	1
Boise City, Idaho	$215,000	8.7	6.5	82.5	7
Boston, Mass.	$398,000	16.8	5.0	44.6	9
Bridgeport, Conn.	$365,000	3.0	-20.7	21.4	9
Buffalo, N.Y.	$125,000	7.0	39.5	32.6	3
Cape Coral, Fla.	$200,000	5.5	-22.8	79.4	8
Charleston, S.C.	$238,000	6.2	12.0	49.0	7
Charlotte, N.C.	$198,000	7.7	21.7	49.7	4
Chattanooga, Tenn.	$131,000	4.8	15.7	34.8	2
Chicago, Ill.	$218,000	7.5	-17.1	53.7	6
Cinncinnati, Ohio	$150,000	5.3	-3.4	33.4	4
Cleveland, Ohio	$135,000	7.1	-26.2	42.2	3
Colorado Springs, Colo.	$260,000	8.2	21.7	44.6	7
Columbia, S.C.	$133,000	4.7	-0.4	18.2	2
Columbus, Ohio	$170,000	6.6	3.3	49.9	6
Dallas, Texas	$182,000	10.9	53.0	83.5	7
Dayton, Ohio	$115,000	6.3	-10.8	36.2	1
Deltona, Fla.	$170,000	11.8	-20.5	87.0	7
Denver, Colo.	$360,000	8.9	54.9	85.1	9
Des Moines, Iowa	$173,000	4.5	13.5	32.0	4
Detroit, Mich.	$145,000	8.7	-28.3	111.0	3
Durham, N.C.	$220,000	4.4	22.4	26.9	6
Fayetteville, Ark.	$163,000	6.0	4.7	35.2	2
Fresno, Calif.	$233,000	8.9	-26.7	67.7	8
Grand Rapids, Mich.	$155,000	8.5	12.4	87.2	3
Greensboro, N.C.	$118,000	2.1	-5.5	19.8	3
Greenville, S.C.	$170,000	6.6	24.7	39.1	3
Harrisburg, Pa.	$162,000	5.0	-0.5	10.7	3
Hartford, Conn.	$201,000	3.2	-14.5	10.8	6
Honolulu, Hawaii	$530,000	5.5	36.1	45.6	10
Houston, Texas	$170,000	4.8	30.2	67.9	6
Jacksonville, Fla.	$170,000	11.6	-16.4	61.0	7
Knoxville, Tenn.	$141,000	6.4	13.5	27.6	2
Lakeland, Fla.	$146,000	3.3	-23.2	58.2	4
Lancaster, Pa.	$184,000	6.3	13.8	20.4	6
Lansing, Mich.	$128,000	11.0	-23.6	60.3	1
Las Vegas, Nev.	$240,000	13.6	-31.4	105.4	8
Lexington, Ky.	$167,000	2.4	4.1	8.5	4
Little Rock, Ark.	$140,000	-2.5	-2.0	-0.5	2
Los Angeles, Calif.	$605,000	7.5	-1.3	78.5	10
Louisville, Ky.	$165,000	5.2	15.6	25.4	1
Madison, Wis.	$245,000	7.7	19.9	34.9	8
McAllen, Texas	$118,000	4.2	26.5	31.8	4
Memphis, Tenn.	$137,000	12.7	-14.6	38.4	1
Miami, Fla.	$240,000	7.5	-21.4	92.1	9
Milwaukee, Wis.	$192,000	3.9	-21.1	34.4	6
Minneapolis-St. Paul, Minn.	$235,000	6.8	-6.2	56.5	6
Nashville, Tenn.	$234,000	8.9	40.6	62.0	6
New Orleans, La.	$190,000	0.5	7.9	46.2	3
New York, N.Y.-N.J.	$425,000	7.1	-8.1	29.3	10
Ogden, Utah	$211,000	15.3	55.4	72.4	7
Oklahoma City, Okla.	$155,000	2.1	19.1	18.1	3
Omaha, Neb.	$175,000	6.2	20.4	31.6	5
Orlando, Fla.	$205,000	8.0	-24.8	79.6	7
Oxnard, Calif.	$565,000	4.9	-13.2	56.3	10
Palm Bay, Fla.	$160,000	6.3	-20.4	86.9	4
Pensacola, Fla.	$155,000	10.1	-8.2	43.9	4
Philadelphia, Pa.	$190,000	3.8	-10.8	16.1	5
Phoenix, Ariz.	$240,000	8.9	-18.1	87.3	5
Pittsburgh, Pa.	$125,000	1.5	7.8	21.8	2
Portland, Ore.	$350,000	8.1	30.9	74.7	9
Port St. Lucie, Fla.	$188,000	10.2	-18.6	89.9	8
Providence, R.I.	$246,000	11.5	-25.2	50.2	8
Provo, Utah	$250,000	8.9	42.6	71.4	8
Raleigh, N.C.	$238,000	5.9	23.3	31.1	5
Reno, Nev.	$320,000	12.2	-10.0	129.5	9
Richmond, Va.	$200,000	7.9	2.7	34.2	5
Riverside-San Bernardino, Calif.	$320,000	9.4	-20.1	87.6	10
Rochester, N.Y.	$127,000	3.1	7.3	16.9	2
Sacramento, Calif.	$359,000	9.8	-13.0	101.9	10
Salt Lake City, Utah	$301,000	14.5	53.5	84.8	7
San Antonio, Texas	$170,000	5.6	35.8	49.5	8
San Diego, Calif.	$530,000	8.3	-1.3	74.2	10
San Francisco, Calif.	$750,000	9.3	9.7	105.4	10
San Jose, Calif.	$1,000,000	13.7	26.9	96.5	10
Santa Rosa, Calif.	$600,000	12.1	2.1	92.8	10
Sarasota, Fla.	$225,000	6.2	-19.0	74.8	8
Scranton-Wilkes Barre, Pa.	$80,000	0.8	-25.3	3.7	1
Seattle, Wash.	$417,000	13.1	34.4	92.4	9
Springfield, Mass.	$195,000	8.6	-5.9	31.2	NA
St. Louis, Mo.	$155,000	6.7	-14.3	35.0	3
Stockton, Calif.	$312,000	10.8	-26.7	116.0	9
Syracuse, N.Y.	$106,000	3.1	2.8	6.7	NA
Tampa, Fla.	$176,000	12.1	-17.8	80.8	5
Toledo, Ohio	$106,000	5.8	-18.6	39.1	1
Tucson, Ariz.	$179,000	8.2	-20.3	48.2	5
Tulsa, Okla.	$150,000	3.8	9.1	21.5	2
Virginia Beach, Va.	$215,000	3.4	-14.4	16.6	8
Washington, D.C.	$375,000	4.5	-17.0	32.0	9
Winston-Salem, N.C.	$137,000	5.2	1.3	21.4	1
Youngstown, Ohio	$75,000	4.6	-25.5	21.7	1

[HSFBfan]

I dont know about every location you posted but good luck getting a job in syracuse or Albany. Both cities have been absolutely destroyed. Yeah cleveland.....anybody in their right mind moving to Cleveland lol 

[HSFBfan]

13 minutes ago, ohio said:

Most of Ohio.  Buffalo/Schenectady NY area, Indiana, Iowa, Kentucky and most of the South, off the top of my head....  Here's a list of average home prices of major cities.  As a matter of a fact some of the Cleveland suburbs have homes for sale that are less than 50K, and apartments going for less than $600/mo.

Akron, Ohio	$125,000	1.9	-19.8	31.8	2
Albany, N.Y.	$172,000	1.9	-4.7	7.5	5
Allentown, Pa.	$175,000	5.6	-19.9	17.1	4
Atlanta, Ga.	$190,000	7.3	-3.2	88.8	4
Augusta, Ga.	$147,000	3.4	0.4	19.0	1
Austin, Texas	$251,000	3.5	72.8	71.2	9
Bakersfield, Calif.	$199,000	6.0	-26.7	70.7	6
Baltimore, Md.	$238,000	5.6	-19.4	18.2	7
Baton Rouge, La.	$166,000	3.5	13.1	14.9	2
Birmingham, Ala.	$131,000	3.6	-11.8	27.5	1
Boise City, Idaho	$215,000	8.7	6.5	82.5	7
Boston, Mass.	$398,000	16.8	5.0	44.6	9
Bridgeport, Conn.	$365,000	3.0	-20.7	21.4	9
Buffalo, N.Y.	$125,000	7.0	39.5	32.6	3
Cape Coral, Fla.	$200,000	5.5	-22.8	79.4	8
Charleston, S.C.	$238,000	6.2	12.0	49.0	7
Charlotte, N.C.	$198,000	7.7	21.7	49.7	4
Chattanooga, Tenn.	$131,000	4.8	15.7	34.8	2
Chicago, Ill.	$218,000	7.5	-17.1	53.7	6
Cinncinnati, Ohio	$150,000	5.3	-3.4	33.4	4
Cleveland, Ohio	$135,000	7.1	-26.2	42.2	3
Colorado Springs, Colo.	$260,000	8.2	21.7	44.6	7
Columbia, S.C.	$133,000	4.7	-0.4	18.2	2
Columbus, Ohio	$170,000	6.6	3.3	49.9	6
Dallas, Texas	$182,000	10.9	53.0	83.5	7
Dayton, Ohio	$115,000	6.3	-10.8	36.2	1
Deltona, Fla.	$170,000	11.8	-20.5	87.0	7
Denver, Colo.	$360,000	8.9	54.9	85.1	9
Des Moines, Iowa	$173,000	4.5	13.5	32.0	4
Detroit, Mich.	$145,000	8.7	-28.3	111.0	3
Durham, N.C.	$220,000	4.4	22.4	26.9	6
Fayetteville, Ark.	$163,000	6.0	4.7	35.2	2
Fresno, Calif.	$233,000	8.9	-26.7	67.7	8
Grand Rapids, Mich.	$155,000	8.5	12.4	87.2	3
Greensboro, N.C.	$118,000	2.1	-5.5	19.8	3
Greenville, S.C.	$170,000	6.6	24.7	39.1	3
Harrisburg, Pa.	$162,000	5.0	-0.5	10.7	3
Hartford, Conn.	$201,000	3.2	-14.5	10.8	6
Honolulu, Hawaii	$530,000	5.5	36.1	45.6	10
Houston, Texas	$170,000	4.8	30.2	67.9	6
Jacksonville, Fla.	$170,000	11.6	-16.4	61.0	7
Knoxville, Tenn.	$141,000	6.4	13.5	27.6	2
Lakeland, Fla.	$146,000	3.3	-23.2	58.2	4
Lancaster, Pa.	$184,000	6.3	13.8	20.4	6
Lansing, Mich.	$128,000	11.0	-23.6	60.3	1
Las Vegas, Nev.	$240,000	13.6	-31.4	105.4	8
Lexington, Ky.	$167,000	2.4	4.1	8.5	4
Little Rock, Ark.	$140,000	-2.5	-2.0	-0.5	2
Los Angeles, Calif.	$605,000	7.5	-1.3	78.5	10
Louisville, Ky.	$165,000	5.2	15.6	25.4	1
Madison, Wis.	$245,000	7.7	19.9	34.9	8
McAllen, Texas	$118,000	4.2	26.5	31.8	4
Memphis, Tenn.	$137,000	12.7	-14.6	38.4	1
Miami, Fla.	$240,000	7.5	-21.4	92.1	9
Milwaukee, Wis.	$192,000	3.9	-21.1	34.4	6
Minneapolis-St. Paul, Minn.	$235,000	6.8	-6.2	56.5	6
Nashville, Tenn.	$234,000	8.9	40.6	62.0	6
New Orleans, La.	$190,000	0.5	7.9	46.2	3
New York, N.Y.-N.J.	$425,000	7.1	-8.1	29.3	10
Ogden, Utah	$211,000	15.3	55.4	72.4	7
Oklahoma City, Okla.	$155,000	2.1	19.1	18.1	3
Omaha, Neb.	$175,000	6.2	20.4	31.6	5
Orlando, Fla.	$205,000	8.0	-24.8	79.6	7
Oxnard, Calif.	$565,000	4.9	-13.2	56.3	10
Palm Bay, Fla.	$160,000	6.3	-20.4	86.9	4
Pensacola, Fla.	$155,000	10.1	-8.2	43.9	4
Philadelphia, Pa.	$190,000	3.8	-10.8	16.1	5
Phoenix, Ariz.	$240,000	8.9	-18.1	87.3	5
Pittsburgh, Pa.	$125,000	1.5	7.8	21.8	2
Portland, Ore.	$350,000	8.1	30.9	74.7	9
Port St. Lucie, Fla.	$188,000	10.2	-18.6	89.9	8
Providence, R.I.	$246,000	11.5	-25.2	50.2	8
Provo, Utah	$250,000	8.9	42.6	71.4	8
Raleigh, N.C.	$238,000	5.9	23.3	31.1	5
Reno, Nev.	$320,000	12.2	-10.0	129.5	9
Richmond, Va.	$200,000	7.9	2.7	34.2	5
Riverside-San Bernardino, Calif.	$320,000	9.4	-20.1	87.6	10
Rochester, N.Y.	$127,000	3.1	7.3	16.9	2
Sacramento, Calif.	$359,000	9.8	-13.0	101.9	10
Salt Lake City, Utah	$301,000	14.5	53.5	84.8	7
San Antonio, Texas	$170,000	5.6	35.8	49.5	8
San Diego, Calif.	$530,000	8.3	-1.3	74.2	10
San Francisco, Calif.	$750,000	9.3	9.7	105.4	10
San Jose, Calif.	$1,000,000	13.7	26.9	96.5	10
Santa Rosa, Calif.	$600,000	12.1	2.1	92.8	10
Sarasota, Fla.	$225,000	6.2	-19.0	74.8	8
Scranton-Wilkes Barre, Pa.	$80,000	0.8	-25.3	3.7	1
Seattle, Wash.	$417,000	13.1	34.4	92.4	9
Springfield, Mass.	$195,000	8.6	-5.9	31.2	NA
St. Louis, Mo.	$155,000	6.7	-14.3	35.0	3
Stockton, Calif.	$312,000	10.8	-26.7	116.0	9
Syracuse, N.Y.	$106,000	3.1	2.8	6.7	NA
Tampa, Fla.	$176,000	12.1	-17.8	80.8	5
Toledo, Ohio	$106,000	5.8	-18.6	39.1	1
Tucson, Ariz.	$179,000	8.2	-20.3	48.2	5
Tulsa, Okla.	$150,000	3.8	9.1	21.5	2
Virginia Beach, Va.	$215,000	3.4	-14.4	16.6	8
Washington, D.C.	$375,000	4.5	-17.0	32.0	9
Winston-Salem, N.C.	$137,000	5.2	1.3	21.4	1
Youngstown, Ohio	$75,000	4.6	-25.5	21.7	1

I dont know about all the cities but there is nothing left in albany or syracuse. Both cities have been destroyed. And nobody in their right minds is moving to cleveland. And nobody is going to buffalo or schnedetey either. Both cities absolute shitholes. Nashville is awesome. 

[ohio]

Just now, HSFBfan said:

I dont know about all the cities but there is nothing left in albany or syracuse. Both cities have been destroyed. And nobody in their right minds is moving to cleveland.

Don't trust the news or crap you hear until you check it out for your self.  I have relatives in Rochester and they live in nice, safe suburban homes and have good paying jobs.  The place where nobody in their right minds would want to live is where you are and the west coast.  You are paying double or triple for the same thing that you pay for in the Midwest or the South.

Plus the suburbs in the Midwest are world's apart from the big cities like Cleveland or Chicago.  The city where I live in has not had a murder for decades.  The crime rates in the suburbs are as low as the ones in your area or even less and they are cleaner than the ones in the East coast.  The only difference is that they cost less to live in.

 

[HSFBfan]

5 minutes ago, ohio said:

Don't trust the news or crap you hear until you check it out for your self.  I have relatives in Rochester and they live in nice, safe suburban homes and have good paying jobs.  The place where nobody in their right minds would want to live is where you are and the west coast.  You are paying double or triple for the same thing that you pay for in the Midwest or the South.

Plus the suburbs in the Midwest are world's apart from the big cities like Cleveland or Chicago.  The city where I live in has not had a murder for decades.  The crime rates in the suburbs are as low as the ones in your area or even less and they are cleaner than the ones in the East coast.  The only difference is that they cost less to live in.

 

I never brought up rochester. I brought up albany syracuse both places that I have been too many times. I would never move to upstate NY. I agree I hate where I live but there are people moving in everyday. Houses dont stay for sale for long. Access to NYC and good schools attract a lot of people. I like the midwest. Never had one complaint against it. I'm not a big fan of big cities but the suburbs can be quite boring. 

[ohio]

8 minutes ago, HSFBfan said:

I never brought up rochester. I brought up albany syracuse both places that I have been too many times. I would never move to upstate NY. I agree I hate where I live but there are people moving in everyday. Houses dont stay for sale for long. Access to NYC and good schools attract a lot of people. I like the midwest. Never had one complaint against it. I'm not a big fan of big cities but the suburbs can be quite boring. 

They are probably moving in where you live because they want to get away from the big city.   The thing is, that they have money and can afford to buy in your area.  You, unfortunately, can't. And I don't mean any disrespect when I say that. It's just an economic reality.

I know you are thinking about moving to the South, maybe Alabama; but you may also want to consider Indiana.  It has a low cost of living, low crime rates, good hard working  people, and the jobs pay better than average.  Most people live in the suburbs but work in bigger cities like Indianapolis.  Plus, in your case, Indiana is the most conservative state in the Midwest. Always votes red.   So, you would fit in there if political ideology matters to you.  Also, the Southerners may not welcome you as nicely as you think (they generally don't care much for carpetbaggers, esp. Yankee carpetbaggers) even if you are a conservative.  Plus, most of the poorer and affordable areas in the South tend to be Democratic as they are blue district areas, in a Red state.  Since political ideology matters to you and you want to live in a red state, you just may end up in a blue area anyways in the South.  Personally, I don't give a cr*p if my neighbors are Democrats or Republicans, as long as I get along with them.

Yes, suburbs can be boring.  You can always go to the big cities to party or what not, just don't live in a big city.  When it comes to entertainment: sporting events, clubbing, amusement parks, parks, museums, fishing, hiking, skiing, amusement parks, festivals.... there is little difference between the the Midwest or the East coast, other than the cost of living.  Plus the people are generally friendlier and more courteous than are New Yorkers who sometimes are more brass.

You do what you want, but look at several different areas and regions before you make a move.

[HSFBfan]

3 minutes ago, ohio said:

They are probably moving in where you live because they want to get away from the big city.   The thing is, that they have money and can afford to buy in your area.  You, unfortunately, can't. And I don't mean any disrespect when I say that. It's just an economic reality.

I know you are thinking about moving to the South, maybe Alabama; but you may also want to consider Indiana.  It has a low cost of living, low crime rates, good hard working  people, and the jobs pay better than average.  Most people live in the suburbs but work in bigger cities like Indianapolis.  Plus, in your case, Indiana is the most conservative state in the Midwest. Always votes red.   So, you would fit in there if political ideology matters to you.  Also, the Southerners may not welcome you as nicely as you think (they generally don't care much for carpetbaggers, esp. Yankee carpetbaggers) even if you are a conservative.  Plus, most of the poorer and affordable areas in the South tend to be Democratic as they are blue district areas, in a Red state.  Since political ideology matters to you and you want to live in a red state, you just may end up in a blue area anyways in the South.  Personally, I don't give a cr*p if my neighbors are Democrats or Republicans, as long as I get along with them.

Yes, suburbs can be boring.  You can always go to the big cities to party or what not, just don't live in a big city.  When it comes to entertainment: sporting events, clubbing, amusement parks, parks, museums, fishing, hiking, skiing, amusement parks, festivals.... there is little difference between the the Midwest or the East coast, other than the cost of living.  Plus the people are generally friendlier and more courteous than are New Yorkers who sometimes are more brass.

You do what you want, but look at several different areas and regions before you make a move.

Love indiana. Been there absolutely loved it. Hate the winters though. Getting way too cold for me. And yes I agree it is a highly conservative state which of course I love. 

Also even if i had the money to stay where I am i would have no desire to stay here. No reason to pay for schools as i have no kids. No reason to pay high house prices taxes etc. 

Like i said i live 30 minutes from NYC i never go there. I was thinking nashville because everyday is a party downtown. I love that scene. But yes Nashville is a blue city. Have to live in the suburbs but that puts me back when I am now where i have to commute to find the party and go to work. 

I agree with you the midwest is a lot friendlier than the east coast and a lot less expensive. 

I've looked around pretty much all of America and one of the reasons I'm stuck is that when it comes to all parts of America I have at least 1 issue with and sometimes more. 

Other than my love of America and I love this country its starting to slowly sink in that it is not offering what I'm looking for. I am not interested in the rat race and I'm not interested in working for a company to make them millions so I can go home and make peanuts.

[Bormio]

Instead of going to GOP land or Democrat land or a party city or worrying about the commute - try finding a place where you have a job that supports you and that you like.  I never dreamed I would like Gaffney, SC.  But the job was good and the place turned out much better than I thought.

[ohio]

2 hours ago, HSFBfan said:

Other than my love of America and I love this country its starting to slowly sink in that it is not offering what I'm looking for. I am not interested in the rat race and I'm not interested in working for a company to make them millions so I can go home and make peanuts.

Since you love politics, try doing what someone like Ann Coultur is doing.  Maybe write a book, start a Youtube channel or a blog, send articles to newspapers... in other words, become a political commentator in your spare time.  Who knows, maybe it could turn out to be something big.

[HSFBfan]

50 minutes ago, ohio said:

Since you love politics, try doing what someone like Ann Coultur is doing.  Maybe write a book, start a Youtube channel or a blog, send articles to newspapers... in other words, become a political commentator in your spare time.  Who knows, maybe it could turn out to be something big.

I doubt it and I cant take the chance it doesnt work. I need a guarantee paycheck at the end of 2 weeks. I dont have the time to wait and see if something turns out to possible success. So I have 2 options in life either suck it up and work for the man and do the grind of which I'll more than likely be miserable everyday or give in apply for welfare and just collect a paycheck on the backs of taxpayers. 

Yes Iike politics and even had an uncle who was a local politician but I'm not interested in working in the field. Politics is people begging for others to buy into you and selling your ideas. Yes everyday we say our opinions and its fun but I can walk away anytime we want. Once you start working you have to be fully committed. There isnt walking away

[HSFBfan]

56 minutes ago, Bormio said:

Instead of going to GOP land or Democrat land or a party city or worrying about the commute - try finding a place where you have a job that supports you and that you like.  I never dreamed I would like Gaffney, SC.  But the job was good and the place turned out much better than I thought.

Because I'm tired of being around people who I disagree with on pretty much everything. As would most people. 

[noonereal]

On 11/29/2018 at 8:39 PM, Bormio said:

Good Lord - cut the cord!

This is a good thing. 

The idea that kids should move out is a post WW2 adaptation which is not founded in positive sociology. 

 

[noonereal]

On 11/29/2018 at 9:03 PM, Bormio said:

Millennials seem unwilling to understand that you do not have your parents’ lifestyle from the get-go.  Young people of every generation have struggled to start - then you gradually make a life.  When you start - you part with the perks you grew up with.

Millennials are no different than any other generation. They have different stimuli that they are responding to. 

What "perks" did you lose on your 18th birthday? 

"Gradually make a life" is normal and parents are  a big part of it at all phases. 

You are coming from a sterotype that I totally understand by totally reject.

Kids are kids, always have been and always will be. Gradually they become the parents. This is all there is to it. No two do it the same way. Some have lots of help, some none. Has always been the case, always will be the case., 

 

[noonereal]

On 11/29/2018 at 9:06 PM, HSFBfan said:

No we understand but again the cost of living does not line up with salaries. Houses today are 10x what the average person makes. When my parents bough their house it was about a 2:1 ratio. Maybe a little more. And the ones in our 30s we graduated college in the 2008 recession

Living costs never did line up with salaries. You are as wrong as those who think you should be kicked to the street at 18. 

The good ole days were NOT any easier my friend who wallows in self pity. When I bought my first house interests were 18.63%

So don't cry me a freakin river. 

do some math, this is a massive payment on one today comes anyone near too as a % of whatever you are crying about BTW, your 10 to 1 ratio is nonesense too. 

 

[HSFBfan]

10 minutes ago, noonereal said:

Living costs never did line up with salaries. You are as wrong as those who think you should be kicked to the street at 18. 

The good ole days were NOT any easier my friend who wallows in self pity. When I bought my first house interests were 18.63%

So don't cry me a freakin river. 

do some math, this is a massive payment on one today comes anyone near too as a % of whatever you are crying about BTW, your 10 to 1 ratio is nonesense too. 

 

I'm sorry you bought at the wrong time 18% is insanity. Interest rates today are what 3-4%

It's not nonsense at all. Average salary is 50000 dollars. Houses by me are 500000 and up. That's 10 times. 

Across the us house prices are 4x that of average salary. Average salary is around 50000. Average house is 200000. 

 

[noonereal]

On 11/29/2018 at 9:11 PM, Bormio said:

 Fact is, if you are 35 and living with your parents, you are not an adult.

The  "real fact" is, not only are they an adult but they are a smart adult. 

Why on earth should someone move out of a home that they live in with their parents if they don't need to or want to? 

If all are happy and there is room, it's the healthiest arrangement one can hope to find themselves in.

It extends the life of the parents as they become grandparents, it provides enhanced development for the children, the grandchildren and offers the adults in their prime an environment with less stresses and more opportunities. All research shows 3 generations in the home offers a world of good.