DarterBlue Posted December 12, 2018 Report Share Posted December 12, 2018 7 minutes ago, Belly Bob said: Yes, the rise of nationalism, which was a 19th-century development in Europe, and the two great wars of the first half of the 20th century which resulted from it, showed us all just how important it is for nation states to "act decisively in their interest". It's always fun to see what's bouncing around inside the heads of the usually suspects. Keep at it, boys. Here's to many more insightful political posts on the high school football forum. You can't teach stupid. Or as my old fisherman friend, Mr. Lahla used to say, "Funny people do and say funny things." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted December 12, 2018 Report Share Posted December 12, 2018 10 minutes ago, Belly Bob said: Yes, the rise of nationalism, which was a 19th-century development in Europe, and the two great wars of the first half of the 20th century which resulted from it, showed us all just how important it is for nation states to "act decisively in their interest". It's always fun to see what's bouncing around inside the heads of the usually suspects. Keep at it, boys. Here's to many more insightful political posts on the high school football forum. Before the atrocities of the nazi party they did have some good qualities. I know they will forever be known for the final solution but they did bring Germany back from the destruction of WW1 and the treaty of Versailles which devastated Germany. And anyone who would want globalism over nationalism doesnt make any sense to me and to a lot of people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bormio Posted December 12, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, Belly Bob said: Yes, the rise of nationalism, which was a 19th-century development in Europe, and the two great wars of the first half of the 20th century which resulted from it, showed us all just how important it is for nation states to "act decisively in their interest". It's always fun to see what's bouncing around inside the heads of the usually suspects. Keep at it, boys. Here's to many more insightful political posts on the high school football forum. The world wars resulted because certain countries in Europe failed miserably to act in their self-interest - not talking about Germany. Countries irresponsibly ignored their own security and paid a heavy price. The idea that we can prevent conflict by binding nations up in multinational institutions which force nations to do things their populations are opposed to is insane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troll Posted December 12, 2018 Report Share Posted December 12, 2018 8 minutes ago, Belly Bob said: Yes, the rise of nationalism, which was a 19th-century development in Europe, and the two great wars of the first half of the 20th century which resulted from it, showed us all just how important it is for nation states to "act decisively in their interest". It's always fun to see what's bouncing around inside the heads of the usually suspects. Keep at it, boys. Here's to many more insightful political posts on the high school football forum. Funny way to describe am anti-globalist grass roots movement... comparing it against globalism via singular nation rule as you define nationalism... Kind of twisted really. don't you think?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted December 12, 2018 Report Share Posted December 12, 2018 Crazy liberal Emmanuel not taking notes from France apparently. They just dont get it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troll Posted December 12, 2018 Report Share Posted December 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, HSFBfan said: Before the atrocities of the nazi party they did have some good qualities. I know they will forever be known for the final solution but they did bring Germany back from the destruction of WW1 and the treaty of Versailles which devastated Germany. And anyone who would want globalism over nationalism doesnt make any sense to me and to a lot of people. problem with the Nazis was not globalism or nationalism.... ...their biggest issue was definitely eugenics... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted December 12, 2018 Report Share Posted December 12, 2018 Just now, Troll said: problem with the Nazis was not globalism or nationalism.... ...their biggest issue was definitely eugenics... Well they were on a nationalist path where they wanted to take care of their country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bormio Posted December 12, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2018 The devastation of the world wars was not the result of nationalism - it was the quantum leap in weaponry that was the primary factor. Wars had been fought in Europe for centuries and never been so lethal.. Concluding that nation states were evil was the wrong lesson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted December 12, 2018 Report Share Posted December 12, 2018 1 minute ago, Bormio said: The devastation of the world wars was not the result of nationalism - it was the quantum leap in weaponry that was the primary factor. Wars had been fought in Europe for centuries and never been so lethal.. Concluding that nation states were evil was the wrong lesson. Also bigger population in the world. More people more devastation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belly Bob Posted December 12, 2018 Report Share Posted December 12, 2018 9 minutes ago, Troll said: Funny way to describe am anti-globalist grass roots movement... comparing it against globalism via singular nation rule as you define nationalism... Kind of twisted really. don't you think?? What? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bormio Posted December 12, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2018 Europeans had observers in our Civil War and failed to appreciate what the next European war would be like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belly Bob Posted December 12, 2018 Report Share Posted December 12, 2018 12 minutes ago, Bormio said: The world wars resulted because certain countries in Europe failed miserably to act in their self-interest - not talking about Germany. [...] Oh, good. A history lesson. Tell us more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted December 12, 2018 Report Share Posted December 12, 2018 Just now, Bormio said: Europeans had observers in our Civil War and failed to appreciate what the next European war would be like. England screwed the south. They were supposed to come to the aid of the south and never did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belly Bob Posted December 12, 2018 Report Share Posted December 12, 2018 3 minutes ago, Bormio said: The devastation of the world wars was not the result of nationalism - it was the quantum leap in weaponry that was the primary factor. Wars had been fought in Europe for centuries and never been so lethal.. Concluding that nation states were evil was the wrong lesson. Are we switching topics from the causes of the great wars to the devastation of those wars? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belly Bob Posted December 12, 2018 Report Share Posted December 12, 2018 5 minutes ago, HSFBfan said: Also bigger population in the world. More people more devastation Which I guess helps to explain why the wars of the second half of the 20th century and the first quarter of the 21st have been so mild by comparison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belly Bob Posted December 12, 2018 Report Share Posted December 12, 2018 7 minutes ago, Bormio said: The devastation of the world wars was not the result of nationalism - it was the quantum leap in weaponry that was the primary factor. Wars had been fought in Europe for centuries and never been so lethal.. Concluding that nation states were evil was the wrong lesson. Which I guess helps to explain why the wars of the second half of the 20th century and the first quarter of the 21st have been so mild by comparison. Keep at it, boys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted December 12, 2018 Report Share Posted December 12, 2018 Just now, Belly Bob said: Which I guess helps to explain why the wars of the second half of the 20th century and the first quarter of the 21st have been sold mild by comparison. More precise technology today. With precision less casualties. If we were just dropping bombs like we were in wW2 ther conflicts since ww2 would have been done a lot quicker with a lot more deaths Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bormio Posted December 12, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2018 Just now, Belly Bob said: Are we switching topics from the causes of the great wars to the devastation of those wars? No, but the devastation of the wars was the impetus for European integration - specifically so Germany would behave. Germany now runs Europe without firing a shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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HSFBfan Posted December 12, 2018 Report Share Posted December 12, 2018 3 minutes ago, Belly Bob said: Are we switching topics from the causes of the great wars to the devastation of those wars? If your looking for the cause of ww2 look no further than the USA and its allies at the end of ww1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belly Bob Posted December 12, 2018 Report Share Posted December 12, 2018 1 minute ago, HSFBfan said: If your looking for the cause of ww2 look no further than the USA and its allies at the end of ww1 Which one, the USA or its allies, wasn't "act[ing] decisively in their interest"? Keep at it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bormio Posted December 12, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2018 Wars are limited now because we are afraid of total war. But the weapons for WW2 on steroids exist. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted December 12, 2018 Report Share Posted December 12, 2018 Just now, Belly Bob said: Which one, the USA or its allies, wasn't "act[ing] decisively in their interest"? Keep at it. Collectively the USA and its allies. When you devastate a country like they did to Germany it allowed someone like Hitler to come up with a message that would resonate with the German people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted December 12, 2018 Report Share Posted December 12, 2018 Just now, Bormio said: Wars are limited now because we are afraid of total war. But the weapons for WW2 on steroids exist. Bingo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted December 12, 2018 Report Share Posted December 12, 2018 But since belly bob knows it all there is no reason to discuss this topic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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