BigDrop Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/16/us/politics/trump-budget.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=a-lede-package-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0 Decades and decades ago I drove a cab through college in Bethesda, Maryland. The company had a contract with NIH to transport outpatients to and from the "clinical center" from the greater D. C. metro area. Over the years I had a lot of people in my backseat who owed their lives to the research that was done at NIH. I cannot tell you how upset I am to read that Trump is eliminating $6 billion from NIH's budget. (Significant percentage that will dramatically hurt it) Whatever a wall costs there are countless lives that will be saved because of NIH. I was going to list another ten issues but I can't get past this. The Post has a good overview... https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/03/16/if-youre-a-poor-person-in-america-trumps-budget-is-not-for-you/?hpid=hp_rhp-top-table-main_wb-poor-12p%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.45e7ad7b0bd7 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
World Citizen Posted March 17, 2017 Report Share Posted March 17, 2017 4 hours ago, BigDrop said: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/16/us/politics/trump-budget.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=a-lede-package-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0 Decades and decades ago I drove a cab through college in Bethesda, Maryland. The company had a contract with NIH to transport outpatients to and from the "clinical center" from the greater D. C. metro area. Over the years I had a lot of people in my backseat who owed their lives to the research that was done at NIH. I cannot tell you how upset I am to read that Trump is eliminating $6 billion from NIH's budget. (Significant percentage that will dramatically hurt it) Whatever a wall costs there are countless lives that will be saved because of NIH. I was going to list another ten issues but I can't get past this. The Post has a good overview... https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/03/16/if-youre-a-poor-person-in-america-trumps-budget-is-not-for-you/?hpid=hp_rhp-top-table-main_wb-poor-12p%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.45e7ad7b0bd7 This is a truly sad time for this country. The disconnect is incredible. Maybe when his policies start to hurt his supporters they will turn on him but not counting on it. This whole Presidency is one continuous lie and he doesn't show the slightest respect for the job or office. If it's not about him or his supporters, he could care less. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 17, 2017 Report Share Posted March 17, 2017 He won't be in office four years thankfully. Take it to the bank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thc6795 Posted March 17, 2017 Report Share Posted March 17, 2017 same people said he wouldn't be elected. He will be in office for the next 8 yrs...bank on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted March 17, 2017 Report Share Posted March 17, 2017 12 minutes ago, thc6795 said: same people said he wouldn't be elected. He will be in office for the next 8 yrs...bank on it. I'll take that bet. He's a one term president Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thc6795 Posted March 17, 2017 Report Share Posted March 17, 2017 You also claimed he would never be elected. His base is strong. The people that voted for him will do so again. And the more the media and the Dems try to paint him as horrible the more they cling to him. He is playing them all (Media,Dems) for fools. Classic us against the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aZjimbo Posted March 17, 2017 Report Share Posted March 17, 2017 5 hours ago, WulfTangClan said: He won't be in office four years thankfully. Take it to the bank. Please tell why not? God forbid if anyone said that about barry hussein. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted March 17, 2017 Report Share Posted March 17, 2017 14 minutes ago, thc6795 said: You also claimed he would never be elected. His base is strong. The people that voted for him will do so again. And the more the media and the Dems try to paint him as horrible the more they cling to him. He is playing them all (Media,Dems) for fools. Classic us against the world. he didn't win the popular vote. I could not careless if his voters stay loyal. all of this talk of media this and that is smoke and mirrors, once his policies are in place and it impacts the middle class and poor in the pocketbook where it hurts, then let's come back and talk loyalty. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thc6795 Posted March 17, 2017 Report Share Posted March 17, 2017 Just now, Horsefly said: he didn't win the popular vote. I could not careless if his voters stay loyal. all of this talk of media this and that is smoke and mirrors, once his policies are in place and it impacts the middle class and poor in the pocketbook where it hurts, then let's come back and talk loyalty. I didn't ask if he won the popular vote. He is the President regardless what CA thinks. I didn't vote for him, the way things are going I will next time. I love how he has made the media to look like the schmucks they are. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted March 17, 2017 Report Share Posted March 17, 2017 11 minutes ago, thc6795 said: I didn't ask if he won the popular vote. He is the President regardless what CA thinks. I didn't vote for him, the way things are going I will next time. I love how he has made the media to look like the schmucks they are. You claiming that his voters will stay strong is irrelevant to me as they don't have the voting numbers in their favor as reflected by the popular vote. I didn't state that as if he stole the election. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thc6795 Posted March 17, 2017 Report Share Posted March 17, 2017 He had the numbers to win for Christ sake. Anyway we will see. If he makes any sort of improvements in the inner cities. The Dems will lose a lot of the black vote. They know it hence the reason they have dumped BLM and started with the immigrant war cry. Mid Terms will be huge. If the Dems lose by large numbers it is over for the Dems as we know them....thank god. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted March 17, 2017 Report Share Posted March 17, 2017 37 minutes ago, thc6795 said: He had the numbers to win for Christ sake. Anyway we will see. If he makes any sort of improvements in the inner cities. The Dems will lose a lot of the black vote. They know it hence the reason they have dumped BLM and started with the immigrant war cry. Mid Terms will be huge. If the Dems lose by large numbers it is over for the Dems as we know them....thank god. Like I said before, he has done nothing to guarantee a second term and the results from his policies will dictate his future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealCAJ Posted March 17, 2017 Report Share Posted March 17, 2017 These ignorant clowns here don't give a shit about trump's policy They just think they won something. Freakin sad lot.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THS2011 Posted March 17, 2017 Report Share Posted March 17, 2017 Something has to be cut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDrop Posted March 17, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2017 https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/03/17/president-trump-won-big-in-these-places-now-he-wants-to-eliminate-3-agencies-dedicated-to-helping-them/?hpid=hp_rhp-top-table-main_wb-geopgraphy-1130a%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.e005d7366161 "In rural Appalachia, people are so poor that there is a federal program dedicated to lifting them out of poverty. Through the Appalachian Regional Commission, the government pitches in on projects that these rural communities badly need but can’t quite afford — everything from fixing roads, to building computer labs, to training workers, to opening health clinics. These efforts have become so widely admired that in recent years Congress launched, with bipartisan backing, sister agencies to help other rural regions stuck in generational cycles of poverty. Together the programs spend about $175 million each year bringing jobs and opportunities to places that long have felt left behind. President Trump, who won rousing victories in these same parts of rural America, would eliminate that funding." The report continues in the link above. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted March 17, 2017 Report Share Posted March 17, 2017 6 minutes ago, BigDrop said: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/03/17/president-trump-won-big-in-these-places-now-he-wants-to-eliminate-3-agencies-dedicated-to-helping-them/?hpid=hp_rhp-top-table-main_wb-geopgraphy-1130a%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.e005d7366161 "In rural Appalachia, people are so poor that there is a federal program dedicated to lifting them out of poverty. Through the Appalachian Regional Commission, the government pitches in on projects that these rural communities badly need but can’t quite afford — everything from fixing roads, to building computer labs, to training workers, to opening health clinics. These efforts have become so widely admired that in recent years Congress launched, with bipartisan backing, sister agencies to help other rural regions stuck in generational cycles of poverty. Together the programs spend about $175 million each year bringing jobs and opportunities to places that long have felt left behind. President Trump, who won rousing victories in these same parts of rural America, would eliminate that funding." The report continues in the link above. This is real talk and not empty "USA! USA! MAGA!" soundbites Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted March 17, 2017 Report Share Posted March 17, 2017 Curious as to the reaction of certain folks here to the skewering of the coal industry that is/was the life's blood of so many communities in Appalachia? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOCIntellectualProperty Posted March 17, 2017 Report Share Posted March 17, 2017 4 hours ago, Horsefly said: I'll take that bet. He's a one term president I wouldn't... shit would have to be really bad to turn this crop of idiots away from their messiah and the general masses would need to see clear and detailed devastation before they're propelled to vote The bar is set awfully low for Trump. He does not have to cut unemployment in half like Obama, neither does he have to triple the stock market. All he has to do is not fuck things up quickly. Sadly Trump's clear devastation won't become that evident until the end of his second term..... just like W 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noonereal Posted March 17, 2017 Report Share Posted March 17, 2017 18 hours ago, BigDrop said: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/16/us/politics/trump-budget.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=a-lede-package-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0 Decades and decades ago I drove a cab through college in Bethesda, Maryland. The company had a contract with NIH to transport outpatients to and from the "clinical center" from the greater D. C. metro area. Over the years I had a lot of people in my backseat who owed their lives to the research that was done at NIH. I cannot tell you how upset I am to read that Trump is eliminating $6 billion from NIH's budget. (Significant percentage that will dramatically hurt it) Whatever a wall costs there are countless lives that will be saved because of NIH. I was going to list another ten issues but I can't get past this. The Post has a good overview... https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/03/16/if-youre-a-poor-person-in-america-trumps-budget-is-not-for-you/?hpid=hp_rhp-top-table-main_wb-poor-12p%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.45e7ad7b0bd7 last night I was at a benifit concert in NYC Many of the artist briefly spoke directly or indirectly to the Trump issue... problem. Then near the end, the president of the ACLU gave a 10 minute talk which turned into an anti Trump talk. I came away thinking two things. One, I am not alone. People truly get the "gravity" of Trumps conduct and direction. Two. It reminded me of the 60-70s. Artists leading the charge against the Vietnam War. But this time, instead of a generational cultural divide we have a geographic cultural divide. Instead of old vs young, today is progressive vs those who would take us to the past. I can't imagine we won't have some serious civil stiff over this. Look at what happened to Turkey with the assent of Erdogan. That is what we are facing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noonereal Posted March 17, 2017 Report Share Posted March 17, 2017 4 hours ago, Horsefly said: I'll take that bet. He's a one term president not sure how you can say this. Trump has 38% of this country that worship him. He won the election with 46% of the popular vote. That means he only needs 8% of the remaining vote. I'd be very surprised if he were not elected again, if of course, he is not in prison or been removed by safeguards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noonereal Posted March 17, 2017 Report Share Posted March 17, 2017 4 hours ago, thc6795 said: You also claimed he would never be elected. His base is strong. The people that voted for him will do so again. And the more the media and the Dems try to paint him as horrible the more they cling to him. He is playing them all (Media,Dems) for fools. Classic us against the world. there is indeed a very strong emotional connect It's the same appeal as Sarah Palin had but broader. Palin justified the failed lives of the "real American." Trump also does this but Trump also has a swath of successful people who of the mindset that "they earned it." One group feels vindicated, absolved of their sins by Trump. The other feels their reward and recognition has finally arrived. ---------------------- Indeed, your post is on point. Very powerful bonds emotionally which is why he can do about anything and these two groups will stay loyal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thc6795 Posted March 17, 2017 Report Share Posted March 17, 2017 2 minutes ago, noonereal said: there is indeed a very strong emotional connect It's the same appeal as Sarah Palin had but broader. Palin justified the failed lives of the "real American." Trump also does this but Trump also has a swath of successful people who of the mindset that "they earned it." One group feels vindicated, absolved of their sins by Trump. The other feels their reward and recognition has finally arrived. ---------------------- Indeed, your post is on point. Very powerful bonds emotionally which is why he can do about anything and these two groups will stay loyal. Exactly and the longer the media and the Dems continue to personally attack him the stronger he will be. They are almost guaranteeing him a re-election. He is playing this us against the world to the hilt. IMO they (Media,Dems) need to STFU and see what happens with his policies. If they fail then and only then will the Dems have a chance. Again midterms will be key. The Dems can not afford to get destroyed again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted March 17, 2017 Report Share Posted March 17, 2017 Just now, thc6795 said: Exactly and the longer the media and the Dems continue to personally attack him the stronger he will be. They are almost guaranteeing him a re-election. He is playing this us against the world to the hilt. IMO they (Media,Dems) need to STFU and see what happens with his policies. If they fail then and only then will the Dems have a chance. Again midterms will be key. The Dems can not afford to get destroyed again. Lots more Senate Dems up for re-election than Pubs. And several of those Dems are in states that Trump won. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thc6795 Posted March 17, 2017 Report Share Posted March 17, 2017 1 minute ago, concha said: Lots more Senate Dems up for re-election than Pubs. And several of those Dems are in states that Trump won. Hence the reason I say the Dems need to just STFU. They along with the media are looking pathetic at this point. They wont keep those seats by attacking President Trump. They better hope his policies fail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noonereal Posted March 17, 2017 Report Share Posted March 17, 2017 4 minutes ago, thc6795 said: Exactly and the longer the media and the Dems continue to personally attack him the stronger he will be. They are almost guaranteeing him a re-election. He is playing this us against the world to the hilt. IMO they (Media,Dems) need to STFU and see what happens with his policies. If they fail then and only then will the Dems have a chance. Again midterms will be key. The Dems can not afford to get destroyed again. agree but I think the word stronger may be misused. I think it will make HIS supporters more resolute. But I also think that it's not just me that was open to Trump and is now horrified. Getting the truth out is imperative for this group. my group. Several good posts in a row I have read from you. It kinda shows that people can talk and agree but still walk toward a different door. People just want different things. This is why I was and still am ready to accept the policy move to the right. I have a respect for the system and I lost. You won. I respect you. Just stop the stupid. It's dangerous and divisive. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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