Sammyswordsman Posted September 28, 2019 Report Share Posted September 28, 2019 1 minute ago, Pops said: I believe the Trinity schools and DLS operated very similarly before the advent of the academies You have good points but DLS has no competition in their area for kids who want to get next level exposure. The Trinity League schools are all bunched with in a small geographic area. Similar to the BNU and WCAC. If DLS had 4 other National Top 100 teams within 30 miles, then it would be fair. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pops Posted September 28, 2019 Report Share Posted September 28, 2019 6 minutes ago, The Guru said: Forcing people to "stick it out" against their will is not only silly but it's coercion. If you think sticking it out is better for the kid then that's your opinion and that's fine. But you can't legislate good parenting. I do think sticking it out is usually the best choice, period. For the lessons described above To keep priorities in perspective (vs disrupting school, friends, rest of life) the kids that transfer rarely seem to benefit from doing so -- they either already have plenty of attractive offers or it doesn't help them get any. What do you think the ratio is for kids that improved their prospects vs kids that transferred for athletic reasons? I think it's way less than 1 in 10 (opinion). No argument on legislating good parenting. And, I'm generally in favor of individual liberties, as long as they are doing no harm to anyone else (which can be debatable in this situation). I've pretty much accepted that it is what it is and DLS may have a Tier 2 ceiling going forward. The rest is just commentary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pops Posted September 28, 2019 Report Share Posted September 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, Sammyswordsman said: You have good points but DLS has no competition in their area for kids who want to get next level exposure. The Trinity League schools are all bunched with in a small geographic area. Similar to the BNU and WCAC. If DLS had 4 other National Top 100 teams within 30 miles, then it would be fair. I bet the Trinity schools still have more kids/ school than DLS By a multiple not a % The Bay Area has the NorCal version of the Trinity League in the WCAL which are parochial schools that are much more densely located than DLS and DLS probably does enjoy a little more of this sort of advantage vs them. Bellarmine I believe is the largest private school in state and one of maybe 8 or so parochial between San Jose and SF. There are a few other parochial that play ball in East Bay (Moreau, Bishop O'Dowd, Salesian), but they are smaller schools without near the notoriety or competition that DLS plays. All of these schools every year have a kid or two that DLS could use, but they don't compete at same level for the few kids in east bay that actually choose their hs (not their senior year) based partly on football. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Guru Posted September 28, 2019 Report Share Posted September 28, 2019 7 minutes ago, Pops said: I do think sticking it out is usually the best choice, period. Because you have no talent and likely had kids with no talent. So sticking it out for the experience and lessons was probably the right move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Guru Posted September 28, 2019 Report Share Posted September 28, 2019 8 minutes ago, Pops said: the kids that transfer rarely seem to benefit from doing so -- they either already have plenty of attractive offers or it doesn't help them get any. This is complete bullshit from a latte-sipping NorCal dad who has no experience with such things. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Guru Posted September 28, 2019 Report Share Posted September 28, 2019 10 minutes ago, Pops said: What do you think the ratio is for kids that improved their prospects vs kids that transferred for athletic reasons? I think it's way less than 1 in 10 (opinion). An opinion based on nothing at all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted September 28, 2019 Report Share Posted September 28, 2019 1 minute ago, Pops said: I bet the Trinity schools still have more kids/ school than DLS By a multiple not a % The Bay Area has the NorCal version of the Trinity League in the WCAL which are parochial schools that are much more densely located than DLS and DLS probably does enjoy a little more of this sort of advantage vs them. Bellarmine I believe is the largest private school in state and one of maybe 8 or so parochial between San Jose and SF. There are a few other parochial that play ball in East Bay (Moreau, Bishop O'Dowd, Salesian), but they are smaller schools without near the notoriety or competition that DLS plays. All of these schools every year have a kid or two that DLS could use, but they don't compete at same level for the few kids in east bay that actually choose their hs (not their senior year) based partly on football. I agree with you completely that the Arms race in the Trinitly league has provided a big advantage to MD and SJB. I have seen may HS teams over the years but the product being put on the field by SJB and MD are substantially better in every position than the great teams of even 6 years ago. Even the 2013 SJB team would struggle. Like I said before, the only way for DLS to compete in the near future is to actively open their arms to (whisper transfers) and to put in an offensive scheme that would attract the kids of today. DLS won't do that, and as a purist, I am glad that they won't. I like DLS as they have always been, if they win that way great. If they don't then at least they did it their way. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Guru Posted September 28, 2019 Report Share Posted September 28, 2019 10 minutes ago, Pops said: No argument on legislating good parenting. And, I'm generally in favor of individual liberties, as long as they are doing no harm to anyone else (which can be debatable in this situation). This is a bastardization of the idea of individual liberties. Individual liberties should be protected especially in the case where it harms yourself or others. There are consequences to your actions and people shouldn't be protected from them. The idea that a kid leaving your program causes harm to players is ridiculous. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Guru Posted September 28, 2019 Report Share Posted September 28, 2019 11 minutes ago, Sammyswordsman said: DLS won't do that, and as a purist, I am glad that they won't. I like DLS as they have always been, if they win that way great. If they don't then at least they did it their way. The thing that's always lost in the self-aggrandizing done by Pops is that it wouldn't matter all that much if DLS got more transfers or had more talent. They aren't going to get any better running the veer and no talented QBs or WRs will want to play in that offense. The only place where they would benefit would be up front on defense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texasfrog Posted September 28, 2019 Author Report Share Posted September 28, 2019 ESPN Broadcaster... "Coach Rollins told us that QB Bryce Young commutes 45 minutes to school each day." Priceless!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texasfrog Posted September 28, 2019 Author Report Share Posted September 28, 2019 How are the narcissistic loons of the left-coast doing today? Any new prospects found on the Pop-warner fields around Southern California on this fine Saturday morning by the Mater Dei and SJB coaching staff? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imaGoodBoyNow Posted September 28, 2019 Report Share Posted September 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Texasfrog said: ESPN Broadcaster... "Coach Rollins told us that QB Bryce Young commutes 45 minutes to school each day." Priceless!! How is that bad?? What are you getting at Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Colonel Posted September 28, 2019 Report Share Posted September 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Texasfrog said: ESPN Broadcaster... "Coach Rollins told us that QB Bryce Young commutes 45 minutes to school each day." 45 minutes could be just 10 miles in So Cal in rush hour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rippers Posted September 28, 2019 Report Share Posted September 28, 2019 51 minutes ago, The Colonel said: 45 minutes could be just 10 miles in So Cal in rush hour My 23 mile commute to work usually takes 75-90 minutes and I don't even live in SoCal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On2whls Posted September 28, 2019 Report Share Posted September 28, 2019 12 minutes ago, Rippers said: My 23 mile commute to work usually takes 75-90 minutes and I don't even live in SoCal. Same time for me but I go 48 mi each way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pops Posted September 28, 2019 Report Share Posted September 28, 2019 3 hours ago, The Guru said: Because you have no talent and likely had kids with no talent. So sticking it out for the experience and lessons was probably the right move. Why be an ass? not that it matters, but fwiw, I’m pretty sure I played at a higher level than you and and am certain either of my boys could force a tap out in seconds We’re not debating a parents rights — what % of transfers (motivated for football reasons for sake of discussion) get a scholarship where one wasn’t or wouldn’t have been otherwise available? STA a bit of a different animal because of their connections but even there..... not normally the case Athletically motivated transferring is about as wide if a decision as investing in the lotto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pops Posted September 28, 2019 Report Share Posted September 28, 2019 3 hours ago, The Guru said: They aren't going to get any better running the veer and no talented QBs or WRs will want to play in that offense. The only place where they would benefit would be up front on defense. Joe Mixon and Najee Harris both lived closer to DLS than we did just to name a couple of exceptions to your over-generalization and DLS is snack in the middle of one of the richest QB areas in country — if they decided to go the academy route, they might consider changing their offense, but then again, they’ve had 6 QBs go D1 in last 20 years running the veer — Ken dorsey, Kyle Wright and Gino Toretta (3 Miami QBs) both also lived closer to DLS and toretta reputedly got turned down by admissions they wouldn’t have the same cupboard to choose from as a single school or two that could get their choice if socal, DFw, or Dade/ Broward, MD/ DC, but they could put together as good or better of roster than anyone else if they chose that route Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pops Posted September 28, 2019 Report Share Posted September 28, 2019 3 hours ago, The Guru said: An opinion based on nothing at all. I could have been like everyone else including you and just stated an opinion as fact — I acknowledged for transparency that said, not based on nothing at all whatsoever — I see lots of kids with schollies tranfer and I see lots of kids without schollies transfer and not get them — I don’t noticenir recall any kids that didn’t have a scholarship and transferred to a school where they got a scholarship (and would not likely have at their old school) — I wasn’t citing published data because there isn’t any (nor would I care to chase) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pops Posted September 28, 2019 Report Share Posted September 28, 2019 3 hours ago, The Guru said: The idea that a kid leaving your program causes harm to players is ridiculous. It causes harm to the kid that started at that school and worked with his teammates that he replaced acting like this idea of helicopter parents chasing dreams for their star children exists in a vacuum is ridiculous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pops Posted September 28, 2019 Report Share Posted September 28, 2019 3 hours ago, Sammyswordsman said: I agree with you completely that the Arms race in the Trinitly league has provided a big advantage to MD and SJB. I have seen may HS teams over the years but the product being put on the field by SJB and MD are substantially better in every position than the great teams of even 6 years ago. Even the 2013 SJB team would struggle. Like I said before, the only way for DLS to compete in the near future is to actively open their arms to (whisper transfers) and to put in an offensive scheme that would attract the kids of today. DLS won't do that, and as a purist, I am glad that they won't. I like DLS as they have always been, if they win that way great. If they don't then at least they did it their way. I also hope that don’t and agree these current teams are just on a different level than the even the best historical teams I do think that when DLS has a bit of a team, that they’ll still be able to compete with these guys and maybe steal one occasionally — they haven’t had that team since 2015 — I think ‘19 is beat since then but I also think it’s socal’s Best so not sure they’ve closed gap 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted September 29, 2019 Report Share Posted September 29, 2019 5 hours ago, Sammyswordsman said: I agree with you completely that the Arms race in the Trinitly league has provided a big advantage to MD and SJB. I have seen may HS teams over the years but the product being put on the field by SJB and MD are substantially better in every position than the great teams of even 6 years ago. Even the 2013 SJB team would struggle. Like I said before, the only way for DLS to compete in the near future is to actively open their arms to (whisper transfers) and to put in an offensive scheme that would attract the kids of today. DLS won't do that, and as a purist, I am glad that they won't. I like DLS as they have always been, if they win that way great. If they don't then at least they did it their way. Interesting. .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Guru Posted September 29, 2019 Report Share Posted September 29, 2019 4 hours ago, Pops said: Why be an ass? It's the truth. I don't care whether you think the truth is mean or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Guru Posted September 29, 2019 Report Share Posted September 29, 2019 3 hours ago, Pops said: Joe Mixon and Najee Harris both lived closer to DLS than we did Who cares? Doesn't matter. Players who flourish at DLS are a specific type and not all talented kids would fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Guru Posted September 29, 2019 Report Share Posted September 29, 2019 3 hours ago, Pops said: and DLS is snack in the middle of one of the richest QB areas in country — if they decided to go the academy route, they might consider changing their offense, but then again, they’ve had 6 QBs go D1 in last 20 years running the veer — Ken dorsey, Kyle Wright and Gino Toretta (3 Miami QBs) both also lived closer to DLS and toretta reputedly got turned down by admissions I knew that you'd mention Gino Torretta, Kyle Wright and Ken Dorsey. That's because you always do. It's still meaningless. Those players would never go to DLS and would never benefit athletically from being there. Their talent would have been wasted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Guru Posted September 29, 2019 Report Share Posted September 29, 2019 3 hours ago, Pops said: It causes harm to the kid that started at that school and worked with his teammates that he replaced acting like this idea of helicopter parents chasing dreams for their star children exists in a vacuum is ridiculous The kid who worked hard and was "replaced" wasn't good enough and/or got beat out by a fellow student fair and square. What's true is that those kids who lose the job and transfer rarely amount to anything.The first question that they're likely to get from a recruiter is why did you leave school X.They don't have a good answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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