SOCIntellectualProperty Posted April 23, 2017 Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 not trying to be judgmental, but was this completely necessary? right or wrong.... they made enemies for life here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted April 23, 2017 Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 37 minutes ago, SOCIntellectualProperty said: not trying to be judgmental, but was this completely necessary? right or wrong.... they made enemies for life here Is there a story link? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOCIntellectualProperty Posted April 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 33 minutes ago, Horsefly said: Is there a story link? My bad... I thought linked it the first time... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted April 23, 2017 Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 1 hour ago, SOCIntellectualProperty said: not trying to be judgmental, but was this completely necessary? right or wrong.... they made enemies for life here The stronger the community relationships the less this type of aggressiveness is needed, the weaker the relationship with the community, this type of behavior is the result. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockinl Posted April 23, 2017 Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 Apparently someone in this thread missed the part where the civilian told the police that a kid in all black "dropped a revolver". Kudos to the parents of these kids for apparently teaching them to comply with authority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted April 23, 2017 Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 2 minutes ago, rockinl said: Apparently someone in this thread missed the part where the civilian told the police that a kid in all black "dropped a revolver". Kudos to the parents of these kids for apparently teaching them to comply with authority. It was the wrong group of kids RockinL. The cops explained that at the end. They were "at the wrong place at the wrong time." 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted April 23, 2017 Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 4 minutes ago, Drummer61 said: They tried for "relationships" in Chicago !!!!!! Rahm Emmannuel fired the police Chief in a vain attempt to improve "relationships in the "community".. Please stay on the topic. What I said still stands, where stronger community relationships exist, the less this type of aggressiveness is required. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted April 23, 2017 Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 3 minutes ago, Drummer61 said: But how many may have still had them,right.... When people comply,fewer die !! Cops were correct and followed protocol...Case closed. What is the proper protocol? Please explain when it's appropriate to draw a weapon? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted April 23, 2017 Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 1 minute ago, Drummer61 said: No, cops are not in the restorative and community justice business, parents are,again case closed.. its about knowing those around you and acting accordingly. This protects all, the cops and the citizens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted April 23, 2017 Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 3 minutes ago, Horsefly said: What is the proper protocol? Please explain when it's appropriate to draw a weapon? When a guy says he saw at least one of them with a gun? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORabidOne Posted April 23, 2017 Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 2 hours ago, SOCIntellectualProperty said: not trying to be judgmental, but was this completely necessary? right or wrong.... they made enemies for life here Right of wrong, BLACKS LIVES MATTER made enemies forEVER! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted April 23, 2017 Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 Just now, concha said: When a guy says he saw at least one of them with a gun? There was not a positive ID, it was a general description Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORabidOne Posted April 23, 2017 Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 2 minutes ago, Drummer61 said: It would be better for you,with your community concern,to learn police training and proper protocols....Then, you will stop your restorative justice attitude and "let them shoot me first" before police act mantra.. When a cop says FREEZE, that ain't an open door for negotiation! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealCAJ Posted April 23, 2017 Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 2 minutes ago, concha said: When a guy says he saw at least one of them with a gun? "a guy says" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealCAJ Posted April 23, 2017 Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 "a guy says" could end up getting someone shot... Just what they teach them, I guess. Out of this comedy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted April 23, 2017 Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 3 minutes ago, Horsefly said: There was not a positive ID, it was a general description It was enough to know there was a group of group of kids, at least one reported with a gun. Under such circumstances, are they supposed to wait until someone draws down on them? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORabidOne Posted April 23, 2017 Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 17 minutes ago, Horsefly said: What is the proper protocol? Please explain when it's appropriate to draw a weapon? When I was in college, I was stopped once, while I was driving down Route 66 to get some trim! Because I fit the description of a car thief who stole a British racing green '68 Mustang fastback, with a four speed 289, like mine. And BOTH cops had their weapon unholstered! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted April 23, 2017 Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 2 minutes ago, Drummer61 said: That worked well in Chicago too... Works great in our communities in my city. Police relationships are pretty good, but of course it's a smaller town and cops grew up for the most part with the residents and know them. Funny how that works. there are other cities besides Chicago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted April 23, 2017 Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 1 minute ago, Drummer61 said: Horsefly would have !!! They are police. Not bullet piñatas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aZjimbo Posted April 23, 2017 Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 There was a case similar to this back in NJ. Cops were called where supposedly a kid was brandishing a gun at a park. Cop comes to the park on the call. Kid winds up running away and gets cornered in an alley on a gray spring day. Kid turns around and cop shoots the kid dead. A whole lot of lives changed in an instant. If that kid would have just not run the rest would never have happened. Real bad situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted April 23, 2017 Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 4 minutes ago, concha said: It was enough to know there was a group of group of kids, at least one reported with a gun. Under such circumstances, are they supposed to wait until someone draws down on them? My whole premise is if they had better relationships in the community, the less this type of action is needed. nonetheless, they had the wrong group of kids there is no twisting that fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORabidOne Posted April 23, 2017 Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 Just now, Drummer61 said: However,you complied,no mouthing off, then you drove off... SOOOOOO, you were there to? It AIN'T Aeronautical Engineering after all! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aZjimbo Posted April 23, 2017 Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 11 minutes ago, TheRealCAJ said: "a guy says" Just curious, have you ever left your own backyard? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted April 23, 2017 Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 Just now, Horsefly said: My whole premise is if they had better relationships in the community, the less this type of action is needed. nonetheless, they had the wrong group of kids there is no twisting that fact. No twisting the fact of the documented report of a gun either. The cops did it right and everyone went home. One wonders what would have happened if the cops had not had their weapons out and it was the right group of kids and one of them punched a cop's ticket. What would have been your reaction then? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORabidOne Posted April 23, 2017 Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 Just now, Horsefly said: My whole premise is if they had better relationships in the community, the less this type of action is needed. nonetheless, they had the wrong group of kids there is no twisting that fact. It's a situation not unlike someone near and dear to myownself experienced in Vietnam! All things being equal, to determine civilian from foe, you only hadta deduce which ones had WEAPONS! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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