FootballGuy Posted October 13, 2019 Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 9 hours ago, Omaha Vol said: Ouch! Sammy, your tiers are falling apart. I can live with tier 1. All the recruited up schools plus Duncanville. McEachern/Hillgrove is a rivalry game that can go either way every year. I wouldn't knock them too harshly for that game. Corner Canyon is miles ahead of everyone else in Utah. There is a 6-8 team cluster below them that you could almost rank in any order you want. I think you're being naive again and daisy chaining there. You talk about Lake Travis and Westlake, but fail to mention Martin or Rockwall. Hell, what about DeSoto, Guyer, Lone Star, CHill, Highland Park? Lakeland tier 3 and SJR tier 4??? Come on, man! Pertaining to Corner Canton, I wouldn't say that they're miles ahead of everyone. Lone Peak gave them hell when they played and only lost by 4.....in the final 2 minutes of the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OdbCle Posted October 13, 2019 Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 11 hours ago, Sammyswordsman said: The Tiers saw some settling as Tier 1 remained unchanged. In Tier 2, Lowndes is close to being promoted, but we will wait a few weeks for the game vs Colquitt in week 10 to see how those teams shake out. Watched some video on the Ohio teams, which looked not quite as athletic as what we are used to seeing. Hoover got moved up as did Lincoln Way East, as they showed more size and speed on defense and better offenses than the Ohio teams. McEachern got moved down due to the should have been loss. The Utah teams are dropping as Lone Peak lost bad, which pulled down Corner Canyon as well. Texas teams Lake Travis and Westlake looked pretty good on film, and are promotion candidates. Servite dropped a tier and will get a good vetting vs. JSerra this week in a game that will answer alot of questions nationally, and could be a boon for the BNU were JSerra to roll. Come on Sammy, gotta give us a little more to be able to make our case. What video did you watch? What teams? Give us a breakdown of the personnel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted October 13, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 5 minutes ago, OdbCle said: Come on Sammy, gotta give us a little more to be able to make our case. What video did you watch? What teams? Give us a breakdown of the personnel. Watched Eds vs.Mentor Iggy and Hoban ST. X vs Colerain Go watch DeMatha, Lake Travis, Cocoa and compare. Ohio (pick the video) looks like a JV team comparatively Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeaShells21 Posted October 13, 2019 Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 4 hours ago, imaGoodBoyNow said: Please enlighten the board how in the world is Longview and Bishop Gorman are Tier 2 teams lmao You want him to construct his tiers in a manner that displays Bosco having nearly lost to a Servite team that was blown out by a Tier 3 team?? That’s way too much work to save face for the Trinity League. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OdbCle Posted October 13, 2019 Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Sammyswordsman said: Watched Eds vs.Mentor Iggy and Hoban ST. X vs Colerain Go watch DeMatha, Lake Travis, Cocoa and compare. Ohio (pick the video) looks like a JV team comparatively Just getting around to weeks 1 and 2 in Ohio. Gotcha. We’ll get back to you at week 15 for updated rankings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reb72 Posted October 13, 2019 Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 13 hours ago, Sammyswordsman said: Tier 1 - Mater Dei, St. John Bosco, SFA, IMG, Duncanville*, STA*, Tier 2 – Katy, DeMatha, DLS, North Shore*, Bishop Gorman, Longview, Southlake Carroll, St. Louis (Hi). Lowndes Tier 3 - Colquitt, Grayson, Allen, Gonzaga*, Chandler, Northwestern, SJC, North Gwinett, Punahu, OLGC, Marietta*, SJP*, Miami Central, Lakeland*, Tier 4 - Catholic -BR*, Valdosta, Cen10, Mission Viejo, Guyer, Westlake , McEachern, Lake Travis, Servite*, West Monroe*, Lincoln Way East, Hoover, SJR Tier 5 - Buford, JSerra, Centennial AZ, East St. Louis, Dutch Fork, Mallard Creek, John Curtis, Narbonne*, Saguaro* , Cathedral Catholic, Helix, Corner Canyon (UT), St. X, Colerain, Elder, St. Eds, Mentor, Iggy, Hoban Tier 6 - DBP, Trinity (Ky), Aledo, Folsom*, Male, Byrnes, Columbia, Bergen Catholic, SPP, *- Indicates teams on probation for their Tier. *Requests to add your team will be honored. But must be Tier 6 or above to be placed on a Tier. Below is an explanation of the Methodolgy used to place the teams on various Tiers. The Tier concept recognizes that W/L records are a function of quality of opponent, and as such, RELEVANCY of opponent MUST be factored in. The Tiers recognizes that in some cases, a 10-0 team (ranked in Top 100 by some outlets) could get blown off the field by a 5-5 (unranked) team that played a tougher schedule. This is why the Tiers was created. *Not attempting to rank every team, only the ones we discuss on this site. *Teams are ranked appropriately for that week in the season. Teams can improve and regress comparatively. * The Tiers are fluid and subject to extreme fluctuations early in the year, leveling out as the year progresses. *Tier placements consider a teams entire body of work, however are weighted heaviest on recent games and game weights decrease in significance in reverse order. In other words, early road OOS losses to relevant teams can be overcome as the season progresses. *Teams placed on the same Tier can compete with other same Tier teams and possibly win 2+ of 10. *Basically there is a -10 point drop between tiers. Could vary from a TD to 3 scores depending on the styles of teams playing. This does not necessarily mean that there is a 30 point difference between Tier 1 and Tier 3, only that the chances of a Tier 3 team beating a Tier 1 team are exponentially less than the chances of a Tier 2 Team beating a Tier 1 team. *The Tiers will ultimately be made up of (16) teams per Tier that would form competitive playoff brackets. *Texas teams generally have not played enough OOS games to gauge properly #crapshoot. There must be a daisy chain OOS connection for a reference point. Teams with no OOS daisy chain connection may not be placed on a Tier. (Texas exempt) *Tiers are based on exhaustive research, Multiple games watched, and good gut feelings. *This is a crowd sourced rating. All input will be considered and adjustments will be made as appropriate West Monroe was on the road playing the undefeated, 7th ranked 5A team in LA which had posted 3 straight shut outs... and still without our starting QB so it wasn't a secret what we planned to do--we only attempted 1 pass the entire game. Of course 19 - 7 doesn't look that impressive, so I can understand probation 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliNorth Posted October 13, 2019 Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 13 hours ago, Sammyswordsman said: Tier 1 - Mater Dei, St. John Bosco, SFA, IMG, Duncanville*, STA*, Tier 2 – Katy, DeMatha, DLS, North Shore*, Bishop Gorman, Longview, Southlake Carroll, St. Louis (Hi). Lowndes Tier 3 - Colquitt, Grayson, Allen, Gonzaga*, Chandler, Northwestern, SJC, North Gwinett, Punahu, OLGC, Marietta*, SJP*, Miami Central, Lakeland*, Tier 4 - Catholic -BR*, Valdosta, Cen10, Mission Viejo, Guyer, Westlake , McEachern, Lake Travis, Servite*, West Monroe*, Lincoln Way East, Hoover, SJR Tier 5 - Buford, JSerra, Centennial AZ, East St. Louis, Dutch Fork, Mallard Creek, John Curtis, Narbonne*, Saguaro* , Cathedral Catholic, Helix, Corner Canyon (UT), St. X, Colerain, Elder, St. Eds, Mentor, Iggy, Hoban Tier 6 - DBP, Trinity (Ky), Aledo, Folsom*, Male, Byrnes, Columbia, Bergen Catholic, SPP, *- Indicates teams on probation for their Tier. *Requests to add your team will be honored. But must be Tier 6 or above to be placed on a Tier. Below is an explanation of the Methodolgy used to place the teams on various Tiers. The Tier concept recognizes that W/L records are a function of quality of opponent, and as such, RELEVANCY of opponent MUST be factored in. The Tiers recognizes that in some cases, a 10-0 team (ranked in Top 100 by some outlets) could get blown off the field by a 5-5 (unranked) team that played a tougher schedule. This is why the Tiers was created. *Not attempting to rank every team, only the ones we discuss on this site. *Teams are ranked appropriately for that week in the season. Teams can improve and regress comparatively. * The Tiers are fluid and subject to extreme fluctuations early in the year, leveling out as the year progresses. *Tier placements consider a teams entire body of work, however are weighted heaviest on recent games and game weights decrease in significance in reverse order. In other words, early road OOS losses to relevant teams can be overcome as the season progresses. *Teams placed on the same Tier can compete with other same Tier teams and possibly win 2+ of 10. *Basically there is a -10 point drop between tiers. Could vary from a TD to 3 scores depending on the styles of teams playing. This does not necessarily mean that there is a 30 point difference between Tier 1 and Tier 3, only that the chances of a Tier 3 team beating a Tier 1 team are exponentially less than the chances of a Tier 2 Team beating a Tier 1 team. *The Tiers will ultimately be made up of (16) teams per Tier that would form competitive playoff brackets. *Texas teams generally have not played enough OOS games to gauge properly #crapshoot. There must be a daisy chain OOS connection for a reference point. Teams with no OOS daisy chain connection may not be placed on a Tier. (Texas exempt) *Tiers are based on exhaustive research, Multiple games watched, and good gut feelings. *This is a crowd sourced rating. All input will be considered and adjustments will be made as appropriate Am I missing something ? Why is DV on probation in tier 1 ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted October 13, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 11 minutes ago, CaliNorth said: Am I missing something ? Why is DV on probation in tier 1 ? Yes you missed alot yesterday. DV struggled vs. a nobody team and the Texas guys were all over the Excuse Thread talking about their entire O-Line being in the emergency room. LOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted October 13, 2019 Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 21 minutes ago, Sammyswordsman said: Yes you missed alot yesterday. DV struggled vs. a nobody team and the Texas guys were all over the Excuse Thread talking about their entire O-Line being in the emergency room. LOL. This is why you’re a crock. Everything is an excuse to you and then you run your little dopey self over and create your silly excuse thread. This will be the last time I support your 💩 tiers and what not. All of your tiers are perfect for the toilet anyways Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeaShells21 Posted October 13, 2019 Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 15 minutes ago, Sammyswordsman said: Yes you missed alot yesterday. DV struggled vs. a nobody team and the Texas guys were all over the Excuse Thread talking about their entire O-Line being in the emergency room. LOL. You can’t throw the ball with wind blowing around. Just ask 2011 Katy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted October 13, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 19 minutes ago, Horsefly said: This is why you’re a crock. Everything is an excuse to you and then you run your little dopey self over and create your silly excuse thread. This will be the last time I support your 💩 tiers and what not. All of your tiers are perfect for the toilet anyways Don't understand your problem. DV stayed in Tier 1 (when some guys felt they should get moved down) and Lake Travis and Westlake got moved up a Tier. And Longview is in Tier 2 (which some guys think is generous, and you haven't defended) Imo you just like to complain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted October 13, 2019 Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 5 minutes ago, Sammyswordsman said: Don't understand your problem. DV stayed in Tier 1 (when some guys felt they should get moved down) and Lake Travis and Westlake got moved up a Tier. And Longview is in Tier 2 (which some guys think is generous, and you haven't defended) Imo you just like to complain DV is fine and is not a team at risk. The reason given to you (injuries) is legit. That’s all that needed to be stated instead of your mockery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted October 13, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 1 minute ago, Horsefly said: DV is fine and is not a team at risk. The reason given to you (injuries) is legit. That’s all that needed to be stated instead of your mockery. DV is at risk of staying in the Elite Tier 1 if they fail to adjust AGAIN and have another poor showing against an out matched opponent. Even with their 2's on the O-Line, DV should be able to roll these teams. Thats only fair to expect from a Tier 1 team, wouldn't you agree? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted October 13, 2019 Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 5 minutes ago, Sammyswordsman said: DV is at risk of staying in the Elite Tier 1 if they fail to adjust AGAIN and have another poor showing against an out matched opponent. Even with their 2's on the O-Line, DV should be able to roll these teams. Thats only fair to expect from a Tier 1 team, wouldn't you agree? What adjustment needs to be made other than getting healthy? I don’t care as much what tier they’re in as much as the bs narrative you put out there as if the injuries was an excuse and not a legit reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeaShells21 Posted October 13, 2019 Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 4 minutes ago, Sammyswordsman said: DV is at risk of staying in the Elite Tier 1 if they fail to adjust AGAIN and have another poor showing against an out matched opponent. Even with their 2's on the O-Line, DV should be able to roll these teams. Thats only fair to expect from a Tier 1 team, wouldn't you agree? Bosco didn’t roll Servite.....though ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted October 13, 2019 Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 1 minute ago, SeaShells21 said: Bosco didn’t roll Servite.....though ... But see, servite is really really good. That close game just showed the depth and quality of the TL. 😂 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HurricaneNick Posted October 13, 2019 Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 11 minutes ago, Horsefly said: DV is fine and is not a team at risk. The reason given to you (injuries) is legit. That’s all that needed to be stated instead of your mockery. And that’s fine, dv is solid but injuries or not you cannot be a top 5 team in the country and play the #2200 ranked team within 20 points. Should not happen. If MD played a lake highlands team that’s .500 on the year within 20 pts how would that be perceived? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted October 13, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 4 minutes ago, SeaShells21 said: Bosco didn’t roll Servite.....though ... Correct. And SJB was on *Probation last week just like DV is this week. Fair is fair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted October 13, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, Horsefly said: But see, servite is really really good. That close game just showed the depth and quality of the TL. 😂 .......if you say so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted October 13, 2019 Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, HurricaneNick said: And that’s fine, dv is solid but injuries or not you cannot be a top 5 team in the country and play the #2200 ranked team within 20 points. Should not happen. If MD played a lake highlands team that’s .500 on the year within 20 pts how would that be perceived? Sure you can. Remember these are kids the same excuse you gave for SJB excuse for barely beating servite. The reality this happens, now if it happens more than once where there is a trend then there is a reason to be concerned. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted October 13, 2019 Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 4 minutes ago, Sammyswordsman said: Correct. And SJB was on *Probation last week just like DV is this week. Fair is fair. DV was on probation last week too. 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted October 13, 2019 Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 4 minutes ago, Sammyswordsman said: .......if you say so. It was sarcasm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted October 13, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 15 minutes ago, Horsefly said: DV was on probation last week too. 😂 Well they survived.....barely. Need to pick it up this week. Who they play? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted October 13, 2019 Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 Just now, Sammyswordsman said: Well they survived.....barely. Need to pick it up this week. Who they play? They did more than survive they won by 3 TDs. SJB beating servite by 1 is surviving. they will be fine this week, they won’t be tested even in a down week in district. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeaShells21 Posted October 13, 2019 Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 29 minutes ago, HurricaneNick said: And that’s fine, dv is solid but injuries or not you cannot be a top 5 team in the country and play the #2200 ranked team within 20 points. Should not happen. If MD played a lake highlands team that’s .500 on the year within 20 pts how would that be perceived? Lake Highlands losses are to (6-0) Duncanville, (6-1) Mesquite and (3-3) Skyline. Rankings are meaningless when the teams hit the field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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