Adam Kurkjian Posted October 13, 2019 Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 For 2020. Say the first three teams are: 1. Miami; 2. Cincinnati; 3. Washington. Who do you pick for each team? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steeler01 Posted October 13, 2019 Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 1- Herbert 2-OL 3-OL 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLien12x Posted October 13, 2019 Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 Dolphins - Tua Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HurricaneNick Posted October 13, 2019 Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 27 minutes ago, steeler01 said: 1- Herbert 2-OL 3-OL Herbert over tua? You must really hate the dolphins lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steeler01 Posted October 13, 2019 Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 31 minutes ago, HurricaneNick said: Herbert over tua? You must really hate the dolphins lol Tua isn't an NFL QB 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steeler01 Posted October 13, 2019 Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 40 minutes ago, ATLien12x said: Dolphins - Tua I think so to, but I don't think that's the correct pick 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HurricaneNick Posted October 13, 2019 Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 Just now, steeler01 said: Tua isn't an NFL QB 😂😂😂 But let me guess Herbert that lost to a true freshman at a neutral site is an nfl qb? Better yet answer this, the baker mayfield that lost to true freshman Jake Fromm is? Are you the guy that thinks jalen hurts is more pro ready than tua? haha Funny stuff here. Tua’s progressions are much improved from last year as is his accuracy and if the best quarterback in the sec isn’t nfl caliber than nobody is. Joe burrow more of an nfl fit than tua? 😭😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLien12x Posted October 13, 2019 Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 11 minutes ago, steeler01 said: I think so to, but I don't think that's the correct pick I only liked this one to balance out the reactions after purposely downvoting that silliness above Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodysurf Posted October 13, 2019 Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 13 minutes ago, steeler01 said: Tua isn't an NFL QB Just like Lamar Jackson and Deshaun Jackson weren’t? NFL dogma is that a QB needs to fit a certain mold. Russell Wilson doesn’t fit that mold. Sometimes you just have to ask if a player can ‘ball’ and go with what your eyes have seen for the past 3 years. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steeler01 Posted October 13, 2019 Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 6 hours ago, HurricaneNick said: 😂😂😂 But let me guess Herbert that lost to a true freshman at a neutral site is an nfl qb? Better yet answer this, the baker mayfield that lost to true freshman Jake Fromm is? Are you the guy that thinks jalen hurts is more pro ready than tua? haha Funny stuff here. Tua’s progressions are much improved from last year as is his accuracy and if the best quarterback in the sec isn’t nfl caliber than nobody is. Joe burrow more of an nfl fit than tua? 😭😂 Tua has all day to throw. There is no presnap reads with him. Herbert unlike Tua has to lead a team without all day to throw and without better talent at every position than the opposition has to offer weekly P.S. I said the same thing about Mayfield. My last pick as a top QB was Watson and he's done just fine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steeler01 Posted October 13, 2019 Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 1 minute ago, Bodysurf said: Just like Lamar Jackson and Deshaun Jackson weren’t? NFL dogma is that a QB needs to fit a certain mold. Russell Wilson doesn’t fit that mold. Sometimes you just have to ask if a player can ‘ball’ and go with what your eyes have seen for the past 3 years. Lamar Jackson is limited in what he can do. I think you meant Watson. See my earlier post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodysurf Posted October 13, 2019 Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, steeler01 said: Lamar Jackson is limited in what he can do. I think you meant Watson. See my earlier post https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27838489/ravens-quarterback-lamar-jackson-makes-dual-threat-history-win Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steeler01 Posted October 13, 2019 Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 40 minutes ago, HurricaneNick said: 😂😂😂 But let me guess Herbert that lost to a true freshman at a neutral site is an nfl qb? Better yet answer this, the baker mayfield that lost to true freshman Jake Fromm is? Are you the guy that thinks jalen hurts is more pro ready than tua? haha Funny stuff here. Tua’s progressions are much improved from last year as is his accuracy and if the best quarterback in the sec isn’t nfl caliber than nobody is. Joe burrow more of an nfl fit than tua? 😭😂 Let me guess, you had Matt Leinart as a big time NFL quarterback to, because the media sold you that huh? Leinart went through a ton of progressions but he also never was touched because of that offensive line he had. I'd rather have a QB that's lost college games(One player doesn't win or lose games either. Another blunder people make), but has to think quickly than sit back there and pick a defense apart with all day to throw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodysurf Posted October 13, 2019 Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, steeler01 said: Lamar Jackson is limited in what he can do. I think you meant Watson. See my earlier post Jackson is definitely not a great pocket passer. Actually he is well below average. But who would you rather have, him or Mayfield? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steeler01 Posted October 13, 2019 Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 Just now, Bodysurf said: https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27838489/ravens-quarterback-lamar-jackson-makes-dual-threat-history-win That's not countering what I said. He's limited. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.si.com/nfl/2019/01/06/chargers-defense-defensive-backs-ravens-nfl-playoffs-wild-card Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steeler01 Posted October 13, 2019 Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 Just now, Bodysurf said: Jackson is definitely not a great pocket passer. Actually he is well below average. But who would you rather have, him or Mayfield? Neither are guys that are going to lead a franchise for a decade. They're back ups 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steeler01 Posted October 13, 2019 Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 I'd actually trade the top pick if I was Miami. Get more picks and get offensive and defensive lineman 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On2whls Posted October 14, 2019 Report Share Posted October 14, 2019 1 hour ago, steeler01 said: I'd actually trade the top pick if I was Miami. Get more picks and get offensive and defensive lineman I think some teams are trying to build around QB’s these days instead of building a good line, then getting the skills guys. Does anyone really think Derek Carr is that much better than David Carr who spent way too many plays looking up at the sky? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steeler01 Posted October 14, 2019 Report Share Posted October 14, 2019 14 minutes ago, On2whls said: I think some teams are trying to build around QB’s these days instead of building a good line, then getting the skills guys. Does anyone really think Derek Carr is that much better than David Carr who spent way too many plays looking up at the sky? I think the Carr situation can be used in lots of situations in college football that lead to these guys being drafted highly. How many college QBs can you insert at Bama right now that'll look great? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Kurkjian Posted October 14, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2019 steeler makes a really great point. Really with any position, playing with elite surrounding talent can sometimes hide your flaws. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NicholasMalibu Posted October 14, 2019 Report Share Posted October 14, 2019 13 hours ago, Adam Kurkjian said: For 2020. Say the first three teams are: 1. Miami; 2. Cincinnati; 3. Washington. Who do you pick for each team? Washington needs too much to stay at #3. Trade down to a team that needs a QB. Grab an OT in the middle 1st round. Get a WR and DB in round 2. They need a more reliable RB than Guice and the TE’s are aging. Address that in the middle rounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legendsofthefall Posted October 14, 2019 Report Share Posted October 14, 2019 11 hours ago, steeler01 said: I'd actually trade the top pick if I was Miami. Get more picks and get offensive and defensive lineman No way should they trade the potential top pick. They already have stockpiled a surplus of top picks in the next two drafts including 3 first rounders and 2 seconds in 2020. They also have multiple first rounders in 2021. That's more than enough to rebuild both lines and still keep the #1 pick. If Miami's front office has half a clue they could seriously revamp this roster in short order. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steeler01 Posted October 14, 2019 Report Share Posted October 14, 2019 49 minutes ago, legendsofthefall said: No way should they trade the potential top pick. They already have stockpiled a surplus of top picks in the next two drafts including 3 first rounders and 2 seconds in 2020. They also have multiple first rounders in 2021. That's more than enough to rebuild both lines and still keep the #1 pick. If Miami's front office has half a clue they could seriously revamp this roster in short order. Please don't say Tua is worthy of a number 1 pick. They have 2020 3 1st rounder 2 2nd rounders 2021 2 1st rounders 2 2nd rounders That's barely enough to rebuild both lines that stink. They are last against the run. They got Christian Wilkins last year, pair him with somebody to clog up the middle in the 1st round and get WR's and HB's in the 2nd round. If you trade the top pick for another 1st rounder plus another one next year. I'd go after Bridgewater in the offseason, instead of getting Tua and hoping he's great. He's not going to be on the most talented team like he was at Bama. That will take a huge adjustment for him. Bridgewater isn't some difference maker, but he's good enough to win if the pieces around him are there(Look at how he's doing in New Orleans currently). The NFL has proven, you put a good team around a solid QB, and that team will win. Flacco Kapernick Foles Trubisky(Bears will right the boat, but their division is uber tough) Broncos(With Manning his last year) 2020 1st round OG DE (3-4 DE or if they go 4-3 a DT) OT OT 2nd round CB ILB 2021 1st round DE OL(Center) WR/CB 2nd round SS OLB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texasfrog Posted October 14, 2019 Report Share Posted October 14, 2019 7 hours ago, Adam Kurkjian said: steeler makes a really great point. Really with any position, playing with elite surrounding talent can sometimes hide your flaws. That's funny.. because I say the exact same thing about Mater Dei's QB (Bryce Young). Has all day to throw... has a lot of elite 5-Star and 4-Star WR level talent around him... makes him look 10X better than what he really is. My prediction with Bryce Young.. He'll spend one year on Bama's campus and learn that all these other highly regarded QB's on the roster are just better than him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legendsofthefall Posted October 14, 2019 Report Share Posted October 14, 2019 2 hours ago, steeler01 said: Please don't say Tua is worthy of a number 1 pick. They have 2020 3 1st rounder 2 2nd rounders 2021 2 1st rounders 2 2nd rounders That's barely enough to rebuild both lines that stink. They are last against the run. They got Christian Wilkins last year, pair him with somebody to clog up the middle in the 1st round and get WR's and HB's in the 2nd round. If you trade the top pick for another 1st rounder plus another one next year. I'd go after Bridgewater in the offseason, instead of getting Tua and hoping he's great. He's not going to be on the most talented team like he was at Bama. That will take a huge adjustment for him. Bridgewater isn't some difference maker, but he's good enough to win if the pieces around him are there(Look at how he's doing in New Orleans currently). The NFL has proven, you put a good team around a solid QB, and that team will win. Flacco Kapernick Foles Trubisky(Bears will right the boat, but their division is uber tough) Broncos(With Manning his last year) 2020 1st round OG DE (3-4 DE or if they go 4-3 a DT) OT OT 2nd round CB ILB 2021 1st round DE OL(Center) WR/CB 2nd round SS OLB That's overkill. At some point you need to be able to draft players, not just keep trading to accumulate more picks. Not sure if they'll take Tua with the #1 but they should still stay at the 1 and take a franchise changer whomever that may be. Then support that pick with the other 2 first rounders in the form of line help. Then in the 2nd round they can still take more O/D linemen or CB or skill guy. 2021 - rinse and repeat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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