Week 10 Tiers

[Sammyswordsman]

Tier 1 - Mater Dei, St. John Bosco*, SFA

Tier 2 – Duncanville, STA, Katy, North Shore*, IMG, DLS, Lowndes, Mentor, St. Louis

Tier 3 –Allen, Punahu, Lakeland, Cent10, Southlake Carrol, Bishop Gorman, Servite, St. Eds*, Colquitt*, SJC, SJP, Longview, Marietta,

Tier 4 -   Westlake , CHill, Guyer, OLGC, Gonzaga, North Gwinett, DBP, Northwestern, Grayson, Buford, John Curtis*, Mission Viejo, Rummel, McEachern, DeMatha, Rockwall Tx, Hamilton, Chandler

Tier 5  East St. Louis, Dutch Fork, Mallard Creek, Corner Canyon (UT),  Lake Travis, Hoover, Male, Miami Central, Catholic-BR, SPP, SJR, Colerain, Elder, Lincoln way East

Tier 6 - Trinity (Ky), Aledo, Byrnes, Centennial AZ, Saguaro, St. X, Helix, Iggy, Valdosta, Corona Del Mar, West Monroe, Aledo, Desoto, JSerra, Hoban

Dropped out - Folsom, Shadow Creek, Narbonne, Bergen Catholic, Cathedral Catholic, Pickerington Central, Columbia

*- Indicates teams on probation for their Tier.

*Requests to add your team will be honored.  But must be Tier 6 or above to be placed on a Tier.

Below is an explanation of the Methodolgy used to place the teams on various Tiers.  The Tier concept recognizes that W/L records are a function of quality of opponent, and as such, RELEVANCY of opponent MUST be factored in.  The Tiers recognizes that in some cases, a 10-0 team (ranked in Top 100 by some outlets) could get blown off the field by a 5-5 (unranked) team that played a tougher schedule.  This is why the Tiers was created.

*Not attempting to rank every team, only the ones we discuss on this site.

*Teams are ranked appropriately for that week in the season.  Teams can improve and regress comparatively.

* The Tiers are fluid and subject to extreme fluctuations early in the year, leveling out as the year progresses.

*Tier placements consider a teams entire body of work, however are weighted heaviest on recent games and game weights decrease in significance in reverse order.  In other words, early road OOS losses to relevant teams can be overcome as the season progresses.

*Teams placed on the same Tier can compete with other same Tier teams and possibly win 2+ of 10. 

*Basically there is a -10 point drop between tiers.  Could vary from a TD to 3 scores depending on the styles of teams playing.  This does not necessarily mean that there is a 30 point difference between Tier 1 and Tier 3, only that the chances of a Tier 3 team beating a Tier 1 team are exponentially less than the chances of a Tier 2 Team beating a Tier 1 team.

*The Tiers will ultimately be made up of (8-16) teams per Tier that would form competitive playoff brackets. In some cases Tiers would be combined to get to 8 or 16 teams.

*Texas teams generally have not played enough OOS games to gauge properly #crapshoot.  There must be a daisy chain OOS connection for a reference point.  Teams with no OOS daisy chain connection may not be placed on a Tier.  (Texas exempt)

*Tiers are based on exhaustive research, Multiple games watched, and good gut feelings.

*This is a crowd sourced rating. All input will be considered and adjustments will be made as appropriate

[Rufus69]

Sammy...I mean this as a left-handed compliment.....

There is something SERIOUSLY wrong with you....and your "crowd".

 

 

Rufus>>

[Sammyswordsman]

26 minutes ago, GardenStateBaller said:

OMG! Two Hawaii teams in the Top 3 tiers? Might as well add Liberty NV. Smh

At least you got NJ correct again. 

St. Louis has always held their own vs. any Mainland team since Cal Lee has been back.

Besides, if we dropped SL to Tier 3, the dominos would not be pretty.

[Bodysurf]

Sammy you lose credibility by having JSerra in Tier 6. You can make a strong case for them being the most disappointing team this season. They are going to get boat raced by Cen10 in the playoffs. 
I hate to say it but I think the Devil is actually more deserving to be in Tier 6 than JSerra.

I’m still waiting for MD to be all alone in tier 0 😉

[Sammyswordsman]

13 minutes ago, Bodysurf said:

Sammy you lose credibility by having JSerra in Tier 6. You can make a strong case for them being the most disappointing team this season. They are going to get boat raced by Cen10 in the playoffs. 
I hate to say it but I think the Devil is actually more deserving to be in Tier 6 than JSerra.

I’m still waiting for MD to be all alone in tier 0 😉

Agree about JSerra.  They are in a free fall.  I think their coach over hyped them this year and people bought in.  (not me tho).  JSerra claim to fame is losing by 7 to SJB last year.

I think the devil beats them too.  JSerra is not long for the Tiers. 

FWIW.  The Tiers don't lose credibility by missing on JSerra.  Maybe a slap on the wrist tho.

[Columbiafan]

1 hour ago, Sammyswordsman said:

Tier 1 - Mater Dei, St. John Bosco*, SFA

 

Tier 2 – Duncanville, STA, Katy, North Shore*, IMG, DLS, Lowndes, Mentor, St. Louis

 

Tier 3 –Allen, Punahu, Lakeland, Cent10, Southlake Carrol, Bishop Gorman, Servite, St. Eds*, Colquitt*, SJC, SJP, Longview, Marietta,

 

Tier 4 -   Westlake , CHill, Guyer, OLGC, Gonzaga, North Gwinett, DBP, Northwestern, Grayson, Buford, John Curtis*, Mission Viejo, Rummel, McEachern, DeMatha, Rockwall Tx, Hamilton, Chandler

 

Tier 5  East St. Louis, Dutch Fork, Mallard Creek, Corner Canyon (UT),  Lake Travis, Hoover, Male, Miami Central, Catholic-BR, SPP, SJR, Colerain, Elder, Lincoln way East

 

Tier 6 - Trinity (Ky), Aledo, Byrnes, Centennial AZ, Saguaro, St. X, Helix, Iggy, Valdosta, Corona Del Mar, West Monroe, Aledo, Desoto, JSerra, Hoban

 

Dropped out - Folsom, Shadow Creek, Narbonne, Bergen Catholic, Cathedral Catholic, Pickerington Central, Columbia

 

*- Indicates teams on probation for their Tier.

 

*Requests to add your team will be honored.  But must be Tier 6 or above to be placed on a Tier.

 

Below is an explanation of the Methodolgy used to place the teams on various Tiers.  The Tier concept recognizes that W/L records are a function of quality of opponent, and as such, RELEVANCY of opponent MUST be factored in.  The Tiers recognizes that in some cases, a 10-0 team (ranked in Top 100 by some outlets) could get blown off the field by a 5-5 (unranked) team that played a tougher schedule.  This is why the Tiers was created.

 

*Not attempting to rank every team, only the ones we discuss on this site.

 

*Teams are ranked appropriately for that week in the season.  Teams can improve and regress comparatively.

 

* The Tiers are fluid and subject to extreme fluctuations early in the year, leveling out as the year progresses.

 

*Tier placements consider a teams entire body of work, however are weighted heaviest on recent games and game weights decrease in significance in reverse order.  In other words, early road OOS losses to relevant teams can be overcome as the season progresses.

 

*Teams placed on the same Tier can compete with other same Tier teams and possibly win 2+ of 10. 

 

*Basically there is a -10 point drop between tiers.  Could vary from a TD to 3 scores depending on the styles of teams playing.  This does not necessarily mean that there is a 30 point difference between Tier 1 and Tier 3, only that the chances of a Tier 3 team beating a Tier 1 team are exponentially less than the chances of a Tier 2 Team beating a Tier 1 team.

 

*The Tiers will ultimately be made up of (8-16) teams per Tier that would form competitive playoff brackets. In some cases Tiers would be combined to get to 8 or 16 teams.

 

*Texas teams generally have not played enough OOS games to gauge properly #crapshoot.  There must be a daisy chain OOS connection for a reference point.  Teams with no OOS daisy chain connection may not be placed on a Tier.  (Texas exempt)

 

*Tiers are based on exhaustive research, Multiple games watched, and good gut feelings.

 

*This is a crowd sourced rating. All input will be considered and adjustments will be made as appropriate

 

So we drop out without having a probation week in the final tier

 

Filing for an appeal 

[Columbiafan]

@The Comish

 

I would like to apply for a formal review and appeal into the biased removal without a formal probation period that was granted to other teams despite more questionable performances this season 

[Sammyswordsman]

50 minutes ago, Columbiafan said:

@The Comish

 

I would like to apply for a formal review and appeal into the biased removal without a formal probation period that was granted to other teams despite more questionable performances this season 

Unbelievable!!  You're going to rat me out to the commissioner because Columbia got dropped after three consecutive losses to these teams, LOSSES: #501 Atlantic (Delray Beach, FL) (35-21), #714 Lee [Robert E.] (Jacksonville, FL) (27-21), #744 North Marion (Citra, FL) (41-34)

 

If I get my card pulled, there will be h*ll to pay.

 

[The Comish]

54 minutes ago, Columbiafan said:

@The Comish

 

I would like to apply for a formal review and appeal into the biased removal without a formal probation period that was granted to other teams despite more questionable performances this season 

Dear member,

Thank you for alerting us to this major inconsistency in The Tiers placements.  We hold our vendors to very high standards, and @Sammyswordsman will be placed on probation * this week, pending review of next weeks Tier placements.

We appreciate your contributions to the board, especially your knowledge of the Florida teams.  We also would like to commend you for your use of our newest emoji (The thumbs down option).  Currently you are the #1 user of the Thumbs down option, which has resulted in our new sponsor signing up called "Thumbz down Ratchet Tatz".

Please continue to hold our members to the highest standards.

-The Comish

[Columbiafan]

8 minutes ago, Sammyswordsman said:

Unbelievable!!  You're going to rat me out to the commissioner because Columbia got dropped after three consecutive losses to these teams, LOSSES: #501 Atlantic (Delray Beach, FL) (35-21), #714 Lee [Robert E.] (Jacksonville, FL) (27-21), #744 North Marion (Citra, FL) (41-34)

 

If I get my card pulled, there will be h*ll to pay.

 

Actually 3 of final 4

 

LMAO

[Columbiafan]

39 minutes ago, Sammyswordsman said:

Unbelievable!!  You're going to rat me out to the commissioner because Columbia got dropped after three consecutive losses to these teams, LOSSES: #501 Atlantic (Delray Beach, FL) (35-21), #714 Lee [Robert E.] (Jacksonville, FL) (27-21), #744 North Marion (Citra, FL) (41-34)

 

If I get my card pulled, there will be h*ll to pay.

 

You may be thinking of South Dade who did finish on a 3 game losing streak

[CaliNorth]

4 hours ago, Sammyswordsman said:

Tier 1 - Mater Dei, St. John Bosco*, SFA

 

Tier 2 – Duncanville, STA, Katy, North Shore*, IMG, DLS, Lowndes, Mentor, St. Louis

 

Tier 3 –Allen, Punahu, Lakeland, Cent10, Southlake Carrol, Bishop Gorman, Servite, St. Eds*, Colquitt*, SJC, SJP, Longview, Marietta,

 

Tier 4 -   Westlake , CHill, Guyer, OLGC, Gonzaga, North Gwinett, DBP, Northwestern, Grayson, Buford, John Curtis*, Mission Viejo, Rummel, McEachern, DeMatha, Rockwall Tx, Hamilton, Chandler

 

Tier 5  East St. Louis, Dutch Fork, Mallard Creek, Corner Canyon (UT),  Lake Travis, Hoover, Male, Miami Central, Catholic-BR, SPP, SJR, Colerain, Elder, Lincoln way East

 

Tier 6 - Trinity (Ky), Aledo, Byrnes, Centennial AZ, Saguaro, St. X, Helix, Iggy, Valdosta, Corona Del Mar, West Monroe, Aledo, Desoto, JSerra, Hoban

 

Dropped out - Folsom, Shadow Creek, Narbonne, Bergen Catholic, Cathedral Catholic, Pickerington Central, Columbia

 

*- Indicates teams on probation for their Tier.

 

*Requests to add your team will be honored.  But must be Tier 6 or above to be placed on a Tier.

 

Below is an explanation of the Methodolgy used to place the teams on various Tiers.  The Tier concept recognizes that W/L records are a function of quality of opponent, and as such, RELEVANCY of opponent MUST be factored in.  The Tiers recognizes that in some cases, a 10-0 team (ranked in Top 100 by some outlets) could get blown off the field by a 5-5 (unranked) team that played a tougher schedule.  This is why the Tiers was created.

 

*Not attempting to rank every team, only the ones we discuss on this site.

 

*Teams are ranked appropriately for that week in the season.  Teams can improve and regress comparatively.

 

* The Tiers are fluid and subject to extreme fluctuations early in the year, leveling out as the year progresses.

 

*Tier placements consider a teams entire body of work, however are weighted heaviest on recent games and game weights decrease in significance in reverse order.  In other words, early road OOS losses to relevant teams can be overcome as the season progresses.

 

*Teams placed on the same Tier can compete with other same Tier teams and possibly win 2+ of 10. 

 

*Basically there is a -10 point drop between tiers.  Could vary from a TD to 3 scores depending on the styles of teams playing.  This does not necessarily mean that there is a 30 point difference between Tier 1 and Tier 3, only that the chances of a Tier 3 team beating a Tier 1 team are exponentially less than the chances of a Tier 2 Team beating a Tier 1 team.

 

*The Tiers will ultimately be made up of (8-16) teams per Tier that would form competitive playoff brackets. In some cases Tiers would be combined to get to 8 or 16 teams.

 

*Texas teams generally have not played enough OOS games to gauge properly #crapshoot.  There must be a daisy chain OOS connection for a reference point.  Teams with no OOS daisy chain connection may not be placed on a Tier.  (Texas exempt)

 

*Tiers are based on exhaustive research, Multiple games watched, and good gut feelings.

 

*This is a crowd sourced rating. All input will be considered and adjustments will be made as appropriate

 

You honestly think servite should be in the same tier as colquitt, cen10 , BG , etc. ?  I know they are improved but their is nothing to warrant them that high in tiers imop

[Sammyswordsman]

19 minutes ago, CaliNorth said:

You honestly think servite should be in the same tier as colquitt, cen10 , BG , etc. ?  I know they are improved but their is nothing to warrant them that high in tiers imop

Why wouldn’t they be?  Lost to SJB by 1 point.

 What if they beat MIssion Viejo in the next game?

i agree that they do “look” out of place.  But DeMatha “looked” better than they turned out to be,  so did SJC.

I think DBP looks out of place in Tier 4 but you didn’t mention that one.  Like Servite they are hit right now tho

[Nolebull813]

How is Mater Dei in the same tier as 2 teams they clobbered? 

Seems like they are getting a raw deal. 

 

[Columbiafan]

6 minutes ago, Nolebull813 said:

How is Mater Dei in the same tier as 2 teams they clobbered? 

Seems like they are getting a raw deal. 

 

I think that was suggested last week

[Cal 14]

3 hours ago, Sammyswordsman said:

Why wouldn’t they be?  Lost to SJB by 1 point.

 What if they beat MIssion Viejo in the next game?

i agree that they do “look” out of place.  But DeMatha “looked” better than they turned out to be,  so did SJC.

I think DBP looks out of place in Tier 4 but you didn’t mention that one.  Like Servite they are hit right now tho

Servite's game with SJB was meaningless.  Nearly all teams have one hiccup game and that was the Braves.  You can't seriously think that the Friars could stay within 2 scores of SJB in a rematch.

[On2whls]

11 minutes ago, Cal 14 said:

Servite's game with SJB was meaningless.  Nearly all teams have one hiccup game and that was the Braves.  You can't seriously think that the Friars could stay within 2 scores of SJB in a rematch.

All they’ve got to do is beat MV, then MD, and we could find that out. 

[dntn31]

1 hour ago, On2whls said:

All they’ve got to do is beat MV, then MD, and we could find that out. 

[Sammyswordsman]

The only remaining difference between Servite and SJB is that their season will end 1 week apart.

[Nolebull813]

4 hours ago, GardenStateBaller said:

Can't have a one team Tier with 15,000 programs playing nationally. 

Where does it say that at? I don’t like quotas. No affirmative action here! You gotta earn your spot. 

This year there isn’t one team on Mater Dei’s tier. Maybe Duncanville. 

[Sammyswordsman]

3 hours ago, Cal 14 said:

Servite's game with SJB was meaningless.  Nearly all teams have one hiccup game and that was the Braves.  You can't seriously think that the Friars could stay within 2 scores of SJB in a rematch.

Excuse thread Material.

A "hiccup".  Now I've heard everything.

[CaliNorth]

5 hours ago, Cal 14 said:

Servite's game with SJB was meaningless.  Nearly all teams have one hiccup game and that was the Braves.  You can't seriously think that the Friars could stay within 2 scores of SJB in a rematch.

Most likely like 4 or 5 scores, and that is with SJB taking the foot off the pedal

[prepsbill65]

Tier 1 - Mater Dei, St. John Bosco*, SFA

 

Tier 2 – Duncanville, STA, Katy, North Shore*, IMG, DLS, Lowndes, Mentor, St. Louis

 

Tier 3 –Allen, Punahu, Lakeland, Cent10, Southlake Carrol, Bishop Gorman, Servite, St. Eds*, Colquitt*, SJC, SJP, Longview, Marietta,

 

Tier 4 -   Westlake , CHill, Guyer, OLGC, Gonzaga, North Gwinett, DBP, Northwestern, Grayson, Buford, John Curtis*, Mission Viejo, Rummel, McEachern, DeMatha, Rockwall Tx, Hamilton, Chandler

 

Tier 5  East St. Louis, Dutch Fork, Mallard Creek, Corner Canyon (UT),  Lake Travis, Hoover, Male, Miami Central, Catholic-BR, SPP, SJR, Colerain, Elder, Lincoln way East

 

Tier 6 - Trinity (Ky), Aledo, Byrnes, Centennial AZ, Saguaro, St. X, Helix, Iggy, Valdosta, Corona Del Mar, West Monroe, Aledo, Desoto, JSerra, Hoban

 

SAMMI..... speaking only Ohio here.  Two points.

1.) Lakewood St. Ed's and Mentor should be on the same Tier period.  The 2 best teams in Northern Ohio.

2.) How is Cincy StX a Tier 6, and Colerain and Elder are Tier 5?????  StX beats Colerain by 7, loses to Elder by 3. You have ,all season, "lumped" the Ohio teams together.  X's SOS is better then both of those teams.  I do not believe in comparison scores, only saying there is very little difference between these 3 teams IMO, for what it is worth.

Ohio's playoffs, after Round 1, are going to be very entertaining....

 

[1DayPGA]

On 11/3/2019 at 8:35 AM, Sammyswordsman said:

St. Louis has always held their own vs. any Mainland team since Cal Lee has been back.

Besides, if we dropped SL to Tier 3, the dominos would not be pretty.

Cal Lee is very well respected coach. He is Hawaii's version of DLS coach Ladoucer.

[Texasball]

On 11/3/2019 at 9:38 AM, Sammyswordsman said:

Tier 1 - Mater Dei, St. John Bosco*, SFA

 

Tier 2 – Duncanville, STA, Katy, North Shore*, IMG, DLS, Lowndes, Mentor, St. Louis

 

Tier 3 –Allen, Punahu, Lakeland, Cent10, Southlake Carrol, Bishop Gorman, Servite, St. Eds*, Colquitt*, SJC, SJP, Longview, Marietta,

 

Tier 4 -   Westlake , CHill, Guyer, OLGC, Gonzaga, North Gwinett, DBP, Northwestern, Grayson, Buford, John Curtis*, Mission Viejo, Rummel, McEachern, DeMatha, Rockwall Tx, Hamilton, Chandler

 

Tier 5  East St. Louis, Dutch Fork, Mallard Creek, Corner Canyon (UT),  Lake Travis, Hoover, Male, Miami Central, Catholic-BR, SPP, SJR, Colerain, Elder, Lincoln way East

 

Tier 6 - Trinity (Ky), Aledo, Byrnes, Centennial AZ, Saguaro, St. X, Helix, Iggy, Valdosta, Corona Del Mar, West Monroe, Aledo, Desoto, JSerra, Hoban

 

Dropped out - Folsom, Shadow Creek, Narbonne, Bergen Catholic, Cathedral Catholic, Pickerington Central, Columbia

 

*- Indicates teams on probation for their Tier.

 

*Requests to add your team will be honored.  But must be Tier 6 or above to be placed on a Tier.

 

Below is an explanation of the Methodolgy used to place the teams on various Tiers.  The Tier concept recognizes that W/L records are a function of quality of opponent, and as such, RELEVANCY of opponent MUST be factored in.  The Tiers recognizes that in some cases, a 10-0 team (ranked in Top 100 by some outlets) could get blown off the field by a 5-5 (unranked) team that played a tougher schedule.  This is why the Tiers was created.

 

*Not attempting to rank every team, only the ones we discuss on this site.

 

*Teams are ranked appropriately for that week in the season.  Teams can improve and regress comparatively.

 

* The Tiers are fluid and subject to extreme fluctuations early in the year, leveling out as the year progresses.

 

*Tier placements consider a teams entire body of work, however are weighted heaviest on recent games and game weights decrease in significance in reverse order.  In other words, early road OOS losses to relevant teams can be overcome as the season progresses.

 

*Teams placed on the same Tier can compete with other same Tier teams and possibly win 2+ of 10. 

 

*Basically there is a -10 point drop between tiers.  Could vary from a TD to 3 scores depending on the styles of teams playing.  This does not necessarily mean that there is a 30 point difference between Tier 1 and Tier 3, only that the chances of a Tier 3 team beating a Tier 1 team are exponentially less than the chances of a Tier 2 Team beating a Tier 1 team.

 

*The Tiers will ultimately be made up of (8-16) teams per Tier that would form competitive playoff brackets. In some cases Tiers would be combined to get to 8 or 16 teams.

 

*Texas teams generally have not played enough OOS games to gauge properly #crapshoot.  There must be a daisy chain OOS connection for a reference point.  Teams with no OOS daisy chain connection may not be placed on a Tier.  (Texas exempt)

 

*Tiers are based on exhaustive research, Multiple games watched, and good gut feelings.

 

*This is a crowd sourced rating. All input will be considered and adjustments will be made as appropriate

 

After seeing SJB results playing at home vs WCAC teams and knowing that SJC beat those teams.   To have SJB in Tier 1 and Duncanville in Tier 2 is foolish.  It shows 110% your California bias.  Don't give me well we have more Texas teams in the tiers blah blah blah.  You Should have more Texas teams!  Do the right thing for once and place Duncanville in Tier 1 - right now!!!