FootballGuy Posted May 1, 2017 Report Share Posted May 1, 2017 In your opinion, what do you think was the real reason Grayson caught so much hell about the transfers this past season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolebull813 Posted May 1, 2017 Report Share Posted May 1, 2017 Proudly not from Georgia but I can try and answer. They caught hell because they were renting studs who left after the season. They got transfers IMG style. And since they were high profile that made them under a bigger microscope. Grayson is just following a national model of recruiting and stockpiling talent like Gorman and STA. Plus with Colquitt dominating Georgia the Atlanta talent felt like they needed to all gather on one team and take down Goliath! 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Camcat88 Posted May 1, 2017 Report Share Posted May 1, 2017 5 minutes ago, Nolebull813 said: Proudly not from Georgia but I can try and answer. They caught hell because they were renting studs who left after the season. They got transfers IMG style. And since they were high profile that made them under a bigger microscope. Grayson is just following a national model of recruiting and stockpiling talent like Gorman and STA. Plus with Colquitt dominating Georgia the Atlanta talent felt like they needed to all gather on one team and take down Goliath! Nailed it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawgGoneIt Posted May 1, 2017 Report Share Posted May 1, 2017 2 hours ago, Nolebull813 said: Proudly not from Georgia but I can try and answer. They caught hell because they were renting studs who left after the season. They got transfers IMG style. And since they were high profile that made them under a bigger microscope. Grayson is just following a national model of recruiting and stockpiling talent like Gorman and STA. Plus with Colquitt dominating Georgia the Atlanta talent felt like they needed to all gather on one team and take down Goliath! 1 hour ago, Camcat88 said: Nailed it. We should also add that it was all highly publicized by the kids themselves via twitter. That damned twitter is a problem, man. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FootballGuy Posted May 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 1, 2017 9 minutes ago, HawgGoneIt said: We should also add that it was all highly publicized by the kids themselves via twitter. That damned twitter is a problem, man. so if they woulda just transferred to Grayson without social media help, it woulda been "better" ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawgGoneIt Posted May 1, 2017 Report Share Posted May 1, 2017 6 hours ago, FootballGuy said: so if they woulda just transferred to Grayson without social media help, it woulda been "better" ? It wouldn't have been better, but maybe not as "in yo face!". The social media recruiting of each other and college selection type announcements by some of the players definitely added some discontentment that wouldn't have been there otherwise. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noonereal Posted May 1, 2017 Report Share Posted May 1, 2017 9 hours ago, FootballGuy said: so if they woulda just transferred to Grayson without social media help, it woulda been "better" ? you ask a lot of questions. much respect I often get shi% for asking lots of questions here. Not sure why. (I know why) Good stuff, yep, you are my new bestie from GA! sorry HAWG, I am fickle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FootballGuy Posted May 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 1, 2017 4 minutes ago, noonereal said: you ask a lot of questions. much respect I often get shi% for asking lots of questions here. Not sure why. (I know why) Good stuff, yep, you are my new bestie from GA! sorry HAWG, I am fickle. Usually you have a motive behind the questions you ask, and that motive includes a shot at Georgia. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noonereal Posted May 1, 2017 Report Share Posted May 1, 2017 Just now, FootballGuy said: Usually you have a motive behind the questions you ask, and that motive includes a shot at Georgia. when I ask a question I want to lead a poster to find the answer themselves. If you tell someone something, they are not receptive. Other times I ask questions to learn a perspective I know I don't have. Unless you look from all perspectives you are not likely coming to the best conclusion. Then I ask most my questions to learn, being the dumb fuc% I am. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FootballGuy Posted May 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 1, 2017 Just now, noonereal said: when I ask a question I want to lead a poster to find the answer themselves. If you tell someone something, they are not receptive. Other times I ask questions to learn a perspective I know I don't have. Unless you look from all perspectives you are not likely coming to the best conclusion. Then I ask most my questions to learn, being the dumb fuc% I am. If you say so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FootballGuy Posted May 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 1, 2017 2 hours ago, HawgGoneIt said: It wouldn't have been better, but maybe not as "in yo face!". The social media recruiting of each other and college selection type announcements by some of the players definitely added some discontentment that wouldn't have been there otherwise. Here's what I think: I think a lot of Georgia coaches were pissed about the Grayson transfers because Grayson started to follow a "societal norm," a.k.a. "high school football recruiting." Georgia caoches don't want schools in the state to become like img or gorman. Therefore, I think that is the main reason why coaches were pissed at Grayson. You look at schools like Rome and Valdosta for instance. Them boys are home grown and managed to win state in their respective classes with what they have. That's why I have a lot of respect for those teams. And the thing with Valdosta is this: although they weren't super talented, they managed to win with the talent that they already had, and beat several teams that had more way D1 talent than them. Forgive me for goin into left field... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noonereal Posted May 1, 2017 Report Share Posted May 1, 2017 14 minutes ago, FootballGuy said: If you say so lol yeah, I say so lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noonereal Posted May 1, 2017 Report Share Posted May 1, 2017 5 minutes ago, FootballGuy said: Georgia caoches don't want schools in the state to become like img or gorman. unless it is them let's be honest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FootballGuy Posted May 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 1, 2017 1 minute ago, noonereal said: unless it is them let's be honest Don't get me wrong... a lot of Georgia coaches wouldn't turn down high profile recruits from coming into their program, but I don't think they'd prefer to win like that.....catch my drift? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noonereal Posted May 1, 2017 Report Share Posted May 1, 2017 5 minutes ago, FootballGuy said: Don't get me wrong... a lot of Georgia coaches wouldn't turn down high profile recruits from coming into their program, but I don't think they'd prefer to win like that.....catch my drift? yes I do I just don't agree we humans are eerily similar and my experience tells me most all humans would rather grab a stud to enable winning Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FootballGuy Posted May 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 1, 2017 Just now, noonereal said: yes I do I just don't agree we humans are eerily similar and my experience tells me most all humans would rather grab a stud to enable winning I feel you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rufus69 Posted May 1, 2017 Report Share Posted May 1, 2017 1 hour ago, FootballGuy said: Here's what I think: I think a lot of Georgia coaches were pissed about the Grayson transfers because Grayson started to follow a "societal norm," a.k.a. "high school football recruiting." Georgia caoches don't want schools in the state to become like img or gorman. Therefore, I think that is the main reason why coaches were pissed at Grayson. You look at schools like Rome and Valdosta for instance. Them boys are home grown and managed to win state in their respective classes with what they have. That's why I have a lot of respect for those teams. And the thing with Valdosta is this: although they weren't super talented, they managed to win with the talent that they already had, and beat several teams that had more way D1 talent than them. Forgive me for goin into left field... I realize I don't know as much about Valdosta football as you do...but refresh my memory again. Their starting QB....Mr. Belton...didn't move in from Florida for his Senior year? Rufus>> 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FootballGuy Posted May 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 1, 2017 Just now, Rufus69 said: I realize I don't know as much about Valdosta football as you do...but refresh my memory again. Their starting QB....Mr. Belton...didn't move in from Florida for his Senior year? Rufus>> He moved back to Valdosta after his junior year. However, he did play ball for Valdosta all throughout middle school . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rufus69 Posted May 1, 2017 Report Share Posted May 1, 2017 17 minutes ago, FootballGuy said: He moved back to Valdosta after his junior year. However, he did play ball for Valdosta all throughout middle school . He played in the 6th and I believe he played in the 7th...but was in St. Pete for (4) years. You wouldn't consider that a move-in? Rufus>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FootballGuy Posted May 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 1, 2017 1 hour ago, Rufus69 said: He played in the 6th and I believe he played in the 7th...but was in St. Pete for (4) years. You wouldn't consider that a move-in? Rufus>> If you were already in the state before moving....then came back after a stint somewhere else, then I consider you "homegrown." this one is justifed But technically, he was a move-in since because of the move, so I can see why you'd think that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
World Citizen Posted May 1, 2017 Report Share Posted May 1, 2017 4 hours ago, noonereal said: you ask a lot of questions. much respect I often get shi% for asking lots of questions here. Not sure why. (I know why) Good stuff, yep, you are my new bestie from GA! sorry HAWG, I am fickle. Diva! ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noonereal Posted May 1, 2017 Report Share Posted May 1, 2017 3 minutes ago, World Citizen said: Diva! ? you know me world, just playin' the crowd. I might run for President one day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
World Citizen Posted May 1, 2017 Report Share Posted May 1, 2017 Just now, noonereal said: you know me world, just playin' the crowd. I might run for President one day. You got my vote locked in. Don't mess it up.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Posted May 1, 2017 Report Share Posted May 1, 2017 16 hours ago, Nolebull813 said: Proudly not from Georgia but I can try and answer. They caught hell because they were renting studs who left after the season. They got transfers IMG style. And since they were high profile that made them under a bigger microscope. Grayson is just following a national model of recruiting and stockpiling talent like Gorman and STA. Plus with Colquitt dominating Georgia the Atlanta talent felt like they needed to all gather on one team and take down Goliath! I realize I will probably catch hell for this but we "didn't rent studs who left after the season." We made a strong effort to have several of them stay at their current schools going to the extreme of calling the coaches involved and trying to get them to talk their kids into staying put. Some of the coaches that complained the most said nothing about their programs getting multiple transfers. One of the coaches that complained had personal issues with our former coach. He was unable to build a program that would attract or keep good athletes. His school has perceived issues that made Grayson a more attractive school. Hey, we have our own problems but but contrary to what some will say (or would if he could), there are a lot of attractive things about the school and the community. Of the senior transfers that came in, Kurt is the anomaly. All the rest either have or are about to graduate from Grayson. A couple graduated early to be early enrollees at their signed university. I agree with HawgGoneIt about the kids self publicity. If it were up to me, I might be saying if you play for our school you deactivate your twitter account or you agree to not post things about the program other than simple things like great game, working hard, etc. I get the whole 1st amendment rights issue, don't worry. The whole high school athlete attaching to much importance to being out there like a pro is ridiculous to my thinking. (Don't even get me started on the pros and the way they are idolized.) I enjoy our team and the games but I totally realize they are high school kids and in the grand scheme of things don't define my life or self worth by their actions. I do realize that the kids are a reflection of the parents. Those parents did and are doing what they think best to try to get their kids ahead. Whether or not I agree with their methods and priorities is a separate issue. If they are willing to take the effort required to make a move, who am I to judge them? Here's a story most of you probably aren't aware of. We had a transfer that we told there was no way we were going to be able to get clearance for him to play on Friday nights. He still chose to come and be a part of the team. He was a valuable member of the team through his efforts on the practice scout team, stayed with the team the entire season, and got special mention by the coach at the banquet and I assume since I missed the ring ceremony got a championship ring. He *wanted* to be a part of our team. Why can't other programs build that kind of attraction? Rush is an excellent coach and is also good at making his kids believe. Partly he does that by having never met a camera or a microphone he doesn't like (sometimes to his detriment.) Colquitt has been very good but my opinion is it is a stretch to call them Goliath. There are several other programs that are very good as well. The two years they won they were the best but that was and is a relatively short time. If you look at the past ten year or so there are other programs you don't hear as much about that have equal or better overall records but the publicity Rush is able to get has some people believing there aren't other teams in Georgia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rufus69 Posted May 1, 2017 Report Share Posted May 1, 2017 Fred...Amigo, Compadre, Bon Ami....not only did y'all rent your "studs"...you rented your Head Coach as well....(Big Smile). Rufus>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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