Ararar Posted May 16, 2017 Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 This is not official but looks like the new Southern Section Dll will look like this La HabraValenciaNorcoOaks ChristianEdisonChino HillsNotre Dame/SOUplandLos AlTesoroCalabasasCathedralLa MiradaHeritageSt. BonnieRedlands East ValleyGreat oakArroyo Grande Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AztecPadre Posted May 16, 2017 Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 That's a pretty tough division. Maybe top 5 in the country if some of those teams play as good as they have been known to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ararar Posted May 16, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 It's a good division but no where near top 5 in my opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ararar Posted May 16, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 Word is Loyola and LBP were the last two seeds in Dl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mjd33 Posted May 16, 2017 Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 10 hours ago, AztecPadre said: Maybe top 5 in the country This is a joke right ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pops Posted May 16, 2017 Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 10 hours ago, AztecPadre said: That's a pretty tough division. Maybe top 5 in the country if some of those teams play as good as they have been known to. 9 hours ago, Ararar said: It's a good division but no where near top 5 in my opinion 13 minutes ago, Mjd33 said: This is a joke right ? knee-jerk --> nowhere near top 5 deeper follow up --> top 5 what? League, section, region, division, bracket, classification...... theres some good teams there and they might be top 5 "something", but not sure they're top 5 Section playoff bracket in CA ?? SSD1 SJSD1 NCS D1 SD Open SS D2 SJS D2 CCS Open CS D1 LA D1 NCS D3 SS D3 SJS D3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ararar Posted May 16, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 BoscoMDCCMission ViejoSan ClementeMurr ValleyRancho CucaChaminadeSta MargSerraVista MurrBishop AmatOLuJSerraAlemanyServiteLoyolaLB Poly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AztecPadre Posted May 16, 2017 Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 3 hours ago, Ararar said: BoscoMDCCMission ViejoSan ClementeMurr ValleyRancho CucaChaminadeSta MargSerraVista MurrBishop AmatOLuJSerraAlemanyServiteLoyolaLB Poly Wow now this is crazy. Mos def #1 in the nation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ararar Posted May 16, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 5 minutes ago, AztecPadre said: Wow now this is crazy. Mos def #1 in the nation. It's one of the better playoff brackets in the country.San Clemente and Murietta Valley got moved up from Dll Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ararar Posted May 16, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 In the department of how the mighty have fallen,Crespi and Westlake now Dlll 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mjd33 Posted May 16, 2017 Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 19 minutes ago, AztecPadre said: Wow now this is crazy. Mos def #1 in the nation. This is more believable. Other statement .... not so much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cossacks Posted May 16, 2017 Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 29 minutes ago, Ararar said: In the department of how the mighty have fallen,Crespi and Westlake now Dlll Gotta think this is a produce big or maybe move on year for Thomas at Crespi. Seems like a big drop, but not sure if they have the depth of a D1/PAC 5 school year in and year out. Sans the White, Lasely, O'Byrne lead 86' team they have never won it all at the highest level. Weren't they like D XI the last time they won a SS title? DII seems like the level they should be able to compete at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ararar Posted May 16, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 52 minutes ago, Cossacks said: Gotta think this is a produce big or maybe move on year for Thomas at Crespi. Seems like a big drop, but not sure if they have the depth of a D1/PAC 5 school year in and year out. Sans the White, Lasely, O'Byrne lead 86' team they have never won it all at the highest level. Weren't they like D XI the last time they won a SS title? DII seems like the level they should be able to compete at. Crespi doesn't get enough participation to compete with the big boys.35 kids on varsity is a usual roster 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cossacks Posted May 16, 2017 Report Share Posted May 16, 2017 32 minutes ago, Ararar said: Crespi doesn't get enough participation to compete with the big boys.35 kids on varsity is a usual roster Yes, not a very big school and never have had huge numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old_e Posted May 17, 2017 Report Share Posted May 17, 2017 Crespi was ok when Mack was HC. After the team started to decline under his tenure, the team never recovered. I remember them being a competitive D1 ? school. The bucking broncos came riding high and obliverated the Celts. I left the stadium unware of what took place. I had never seen a coached Mack team beaten so soundly. Packer's beware! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bestcoast Posted May 17, 2017 Report Share Posted May 17, 2017 I remember about a decade or so ago Crespi was legit. They had a tight end that's in the NFL now and the qb and rb that went to UCLA. Several other d1 guys. Can't remember all the names but they had some athletes. That was before Mack was there, he was still at Bonnie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cossacks Posted May 17, 2017 Report Share Posted May 17, 2017 5 minutes ago, Bestcoast said: I remember about a decade or so ago Crespi was legit. They had a tight end that's in the NFL now and the qb and rb that went to UCLA. Several other d1 guys. Can't remember all the names but they had some athletes. That was before Mack was there, he was still at Bonnie. Probably thinking of the Fauria's? Older one was late 80's Colorado then a NFL career and had a younger brother or relative play at UCLA then the NFL as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bestcoast Posted May 17, 2017 Report Share Posted May 17, 2017 That's him. He was a good basketball player as well! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dntn31 Posted May 26, 2017 Report Share Posted May 26, 2017 I know I'm late to the party, but I have a few comments on the updated divisions and the apparent new calculations. 1. It appears to say "draft" at the top, so there is a chance that these are not yet final. I just reached out to my CIF contacts to see if these are actually finalized. 2. If these calculations end up being used, they made some fairly significant changes... The "Power Points" component for 2016 was changed to give it more weight (higher ceiling) compared to the other components, without changing how the 2015 Power Points values are calculated. The images are not easy to read and the details of the previous Power Points formula were never published, so it's difficult to go into more detail here. The weighting of the 2016 Calpreps School Ranking component was reduced by taking the raw 2015 score and multiplying it by 33.5%. The weighting of the 2015 Calpreps School Ranking component was reduced by taking the raw 2016 score and multiplying it by 16.5%. 3. These changes result in the three components (Power Points, Calpreps League Ranking and Calpreps School Ranking) being weighted more evenly. Previously, the Calpreps School Ranking generally accounted for the majority of the score. The changes also now provide more weight overall to the most recent year instead of treating each of the past two years with equal weight. 4. These changes were apparently significant enough to keep Poly, Alemany and Loyola in D1 (instead of Oaks Christian, Calabasas and La Habra using last year's formula). I wonder if any of those schools put pressure on CIF to adjust the formula to keep them in D1... 5. The original formula was only used for a single year before undergoing a fairly significant overhaul. Why was a formula, which was so bad that it needed to be overhauled after only a single year, even used in the first place? If they continue to make changes like this each year, I wouldn't really consider it a great look for them as it suggests the possibility that they are just shaping the divisions "as they see fit" instead of adhering to an existing system. Edit: When I say it appears to say "draft", I'm referring to these images: http://www.occonnect.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=24465&sid=6a0d390d9008c391fd8954f61d7a7430 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dntn31 Posted May 26, 2017 Report Share Posted May 26, 2017 Alright, so word on the street is that this was done to keep certain teams in certain divisions. Can't really say any more than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dntn31 Posted June 8, 2017 Report Share Posted June 8, 2017 The CIFSS officially released the fall divisions about 30 min ago. Here is a google sheet with the official 11-man football divisions and ranking detail. Here is a google doc with some qualifying information about the above sheet. These confirm, more or less, all of the changes I detailed previously in this thread, in addition to providing a bit more clarity as too the scope of the changes to the Power Points calculation. The CIFSS has not yet released details about the updated Power Points algorithm for 2017. They did so last year in mid-June in their Competitve Equity publication. Once that information is released, I will do my best to parse through what they've published to get a better sense of what was changed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
954gator Posted June 8, 2017 Report Share Posted June 8, 2017 On 5/26/2017 at 3:38 PM, dntn31 said: Alright, so word on the street is that this was done to keep certain teams in certain divisions. Can't really say any more than that. Does this keep some deserving teams out or to try and make the division the best, as in keep unworthy teams out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dntn31 Posted June 9, 2017 Report Share Posted June 9, 2017 3 hours ago, 954gator said: Does this keep some deserving teams out or to try and make the division the best, as in keep unworthy teams out? That's difficult to say with any certainty. I suspect that the two of three teams kept in D1 as the results of these changes will not do as well this season as two of the the teams kept out. What will be interesting is to see if the CIFSS continues to tweak the algorithm year after year to keep certain teams in D1. I don't really see that being a sustainable model if certain high profile schools continue to trend downward. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
954gator Posted June 9, 2017 Report Share Posted June 9, 2017 10 hours ago, dntn31 said: That's difficult to say with any certainty. I suspect that the two of three teams kept in D1 as the results of these changes will not do as well this season as two of the the teams kept out. What will be interesting is to see if the CIFSS continues to tweak the algorithm year after year to keep certain teams in D1. I don't really see that being a sustainable model if certain high profile schools continue to trend downward. Interesting, I'm assuming the teams kept in are big named teams with a stronger history? Yeah that system could very well mess things up in the upcoming years, but I guess they could always tweak it lol. Definitely unfair, but who knows, I'm sure there are some teams that aren't interested in moving up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ararar Posted June 9, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2017 Seems this was done to keep LBP in Dl.They were the last team to make the cut.With the #2 and #5 California kids transferring in they belong in Dl 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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