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“CoronaVirus is overblown press-created hysteria”

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10 hours ago, Blueliner said:

I would rather be accused of a conspiracy theory than sit by idly with my thumb in my ass while THE MOUNTAINS OF HIGHLY questionable shit goes on and piles up daily...and not from the Trump side. Honestly...you have to be a compete and utter (leftist) sell-out, clueless, moron to NOT see this.

The evidence that you provide and the arguments that you make are just so overwhelming.

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10 hours ago, Blueliner said:

BUT...I still GAF about the little guy (because in the end, I still am a "little guy" of which I speak) no matter your color, creed, or sexual preference bla bla bla.

Blueliner "giving a fuck" about the little guy.

On 10/23/2018 at 5:58 PM, Blueliner said:

But IMHO it might be a good idea to at least attempt to get a UN military coalition together to protect the southern border. That way it'll show solidarity with other countries if the invaders, regretfully, must me mowed down.

 

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3 hours ago, Troll said:

The 'Atlantic' looks to have significantly modified their editorial viewpoint lately....

I wonder would they be called "conspiracy theorists" for "daring to question"...

Which question you ask?

https://getpocket.com/explore/item/against-big-philanthropy?utm_source=pocket-newtab

 

PS: you might also have to be clueless, if you only see it's employment, as only "left or right",

based on your 'personal' veiwpoint...🤔

 

“Foundations,” he said, “should be making long-time-horizon, risky experiments in social innovation that the government won’t do and the marketplace is unlikely to do.” ~ Reich

Boiler Up!

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On 2/28/2020 at 4:10 PM, NorCalRuss said:

CoronaVirus is overblown press-created hysteria

I still can't believe some moron started a thread like this. 

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12 hours ago, Blueliner said:

I would rather be accused of a conspiracy theory than sit by idly with my thumb in my ass while THE MOUNTAINS OF HIGHLY questionable shit goes on and piles up daily...and not from the Trump side. Honestly...you have to be a compete and utter (leftist) sell-out, clueless, moron to NOT see this. I suppose that if you are well-off and it doesn't matter that the nation, economy, and lives are being destroyed more by the day. I am set for the rest of my life (not bragging, just a fact), BUT...I still GAF about the little guy (because in the end, I still am a "little guy" of which I speak) no matter your color, creed, or sexual preference bla bla bla. These people can take their destructive globalism, socialist, identity politics, unethical BS and pound sand.

OneAmerica.com

you are not a "little guy." 

You are the stereotypical "Little Man" of Wilhelm Reich fame. 

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1 hour ago, BUFORDGAWOLVES said:

“Foundations,” he said, “should be making long-time-horizon, risky experiments in social innovation that the government won’t do and the marketplace is unlikely to do.” ~ Reich

Boiler Up!

bgw

 

Absolutely....👌

easy to see both sides no ?  👍

Now recognizing that both are not mutually exclusive....🤔

One might say, that the concept of offering more 'scrutiny' for what something a marketplace can't support, and a government chooses not to dabble in, which could also only be described as "risky experiments".....well...

calling that scrutiny, some 'conspiracy' ....is depreciating it a bit too much...wouldn't you say?

 

PS: aside from the fact that the basis for the above quote, requires the belief that "guided social innovation" is somehow beneficial...🙄

 

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- Fauci Masks do not help

- Fauci You must wear a mask

- Fauci You must stay indoors to prevent the spread of Wuhan

- Fauci Staying closed for too long could cause 'irreparable damage’

- Fauci Who the hell is this guy?

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16 minutes ago, thc6795 said:

- Fauci Masks do not help

- Fauci You must wear a mask

- Fauci You must stay indoors to prevent the spread of Wuhan

- Fauci Staying closed for too long could cause 'irreparable damage’

- Fauci Who the hell is this guy?

This guy has been wrong at every step of the way. He contradicts himself routinely. He doesn’t even say that “I was wrong...my bad”. He just does on to his next finding like the last shit didn’t happen...even though his BS has helped destroy our nation. We make POLICY off of his opinions/mistakes. And the media doesn’t EVER question it. I wonder fucking why?

If I was Trump I would thank him for his service and move him (and Birx) to an advisory role, and create a new task force of other highly regarded epidemiologists that can have a fresh perspective about this. There are plenty of others that have been studying and documenting data on the Chinese Wuhan that are more trustworthy than this goober with an obvious agenda. Enough of him. 

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1 hour ago, Troll said:

Absolutely....👌

easy to see both sides no ?  👍

Now recognizing that both are not mutually exclusive....🤔

One might say, that the concept of offering more 'scrutiny' for what something a marketplace can't support, and a government chooses not to dabble in, which could also only be described as "risky experiments".....well...

calling that scrutiny, some 'conspiracy' ....is depreciating it a bit too much...wouldn't you say?

 

PS: aside from the fact that the basis for the above quote, requires the belief that "guided social innovation" is somehow beneficial...🙄

 

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I'm not gonna' get into the discourse, but I will remain open and dispassionate on this level and figure it out on my own.

The earlier video is a little "heavy" on the conspiracy angle and lacking in substance backing the "claims".

But hey, thanks for the posts.

bgw

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On 5/21/2020 at 8:20 PM, BigDrop said:

Now, approaching 100,000 dead and almost 1.6 million infected Trump refused to wear a mask in public in a Ford factory in Michigan.

Two tidbits: 

1. The median age of covid positive deaths is higher than avg life expectancy in both men and women 

2. Statistics have proven over time For every 1% increase in unemployment that equates to approximately 30,000 deaths 

So the aftermath will result in a multiple of more deaths relating to unemployment rising than covid 19. 

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47 minutes ago, thc6795 said:

Fauci Who the hell is this guy?

The same guy who fucked up the aids epidemic. 

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The Rubicon has been crossed.  We are not going back to lockdowns.  There will be spikes and outbreaks, but we will muddle through.  The health cost, the economic cost and the social cost is simply too great to go back.  There is a fear porn industry (200,000 cases a day and 3,000 deaths a day by June 1 - remember?), but modeling has proven to be quite useless.  The “save every life crowd”, while meaning well (at least some of them), is simply unrealistic.  We cannot continue what we have done for the last 3 months without destroying the world for our children.

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4 hours ago, Blueliner said:

This guy has been wrong at every step of the way. He contradicts himself routinely.

If this was the standard for making people go away then Trump would've been shunned long ago.

But you seem to love him.

Hmm.

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4 hours ago, Mjd33 said:

2. Statistics have proven over time For every 1% increase in unemployment that equates to approximately 30,000 deaths 

So the aftermath will result in a multiple of more deaths relating to unemployment rising than covid 19. 

So this should be easy to support once all the numbers are in.

I look forward to you coming back to account for it.

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3 hours ago, Bormio said:

We cannot continue what we have done for the last 3 months without destroying the world for our children.

This is so stupid and embarrassing especially for the guy who thought that this was a hoax and is a proven quack.

Mumbai: five quack doctors arrested

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6 minutes ago, The Guru said:

So this should be easy to support once all the numbers are in.

I look forward to you coming back to account for it.

Many Studies have been done on this topic and it isn’t anything ground breaking but rather quite logical. What do you think mortality rate decreases as unemployment rises? Even you wouldn’t argue that. 

https://news.yale.edu/2002/05/23/rising-unemployment-causes-higher-death-rates-new-study-yale-researcher-shows

Michael Lewis, somebody a lot smarter than fucking you, who graduated from Princeton and The London school of economics (not FAU)  wrote it was actually higher at 40,000 per 1% unemployment increase. 

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22 minutes ago, Mjd33 said:

Many Studies have been done on this topic and it isn’t anything ground breaking but rather quite logical. What do you think mortality rate decreases as unemployment rises? Even you wouldn’t argue that. 

https://news.yale.edu/2002/05/23/rising-unemployment-causes-higher-death-rates-new-study-yale-researcher-shows

It's a truism but not something that you'll ever be able to prove.

For every 1% of unemployment 30,000 people will die. OK, when? What are the causes of death? I trust that when 420,000 people die from the lockdown/unemployment that you'll be able to prove it, right?

I won't hold my breath.

Yes, economic depressions lead to higher mental health risks, depression, etc. But putting a number to it that has no basis in observable fact is silly.

The suicide number is real. about 4,500 more people committed suicide at the time of the last recession (2008-09). OK, that's a real thing that can be supported by actual reality.

What you posted is fantastical.

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22 minutes ago, Mjd33 said:

Michael Lewis, somebody a lot smarter than fucking you, who graduated from Princeton and The London school of economics (not FAU)  wrote it was actually higher at 40,000 per 1% unemployment increase. 

I'm a fan of Michael Lewis but he's an author who has a degree in Art History. He doesn't have magical powers. He didn't come up with that number himself. He got it from somewhere. Probably a study similar to the one you posted.

It's not my fault that your link was complete horseshit and didn't say anything about the actual causes of death.

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39 minutes ago, The Guru said:

I'm a fan of Michael Lewis but he's an author who has a degree in Art History

From Princeton. And he’s Not an affirmative action pity admit or recruited athlete which means he’s not a dipshit. 

And he got into and graduated from the London school of economics which has a lower than 10% acceptance rate where only the cream of the crop applies. Had a successful career at Salomon brothers, wrote a dozen best sellers etc etc etc 

Let’s see A high school football forum troll vs one of the most credentialed authors in the country. Yes, Let’s take your word :) 

 

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1 hour ago, The Guru said:

But putting a number to it that has no basis in observable fact is silly.

You nor I are pinning a number to it .... people that DID the research are. 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Mjd33 said:

From Princeton. And he’s Not an affirmative action pity admit or recruited athlete which means he’s not a dipshit. 

And he got into and graduated from the London school of economics which has a lower than 10% acceptance rate where only the cream of the crop applies. Had a successful career at Salomon brothers, wrote a dozen best sellers etc etc etc 

Let’s see A high school football forum troll vs one of the most credentialed authors in the country. Yes, Let’s take your word :) 

 

Nice rebuttal. 
 

bgw

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Just now, BUFORDGAWOLVES said:

Nice rebuttal. 
 

bgw

I thought so.

He’s discrediting a man who made the statement who is substantially more credible. I gave his bio overview to belittle guru’s resume next to his which obviously  isn’t hard. 

Maybe you think mortality rate decreases as unemployment rises lmao 

 

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So, if the calculations are correct, that 10 percentage point-plus rise in the jobless rate would cause more than 400,000 deaths that have nothing to do with the virus and everything to do with the distressed economy.

And, of course, there will be a lot of financial troubles for those who don’t die. But let’s just look at just the death rate.

The actual figure in academic research is a 37,000 increase for each percentage-point rise in the unemployment rate. It comes from a book called “Corporate Flight: The Causes and Consequences of Economic Dislocation” by Barry Bluestone, Bennett Harrison and Lawrence Baker.

“Corporate Flight” was published in 1982 and mainly had to do with companies moving operations overseas. I couldn’t reach Bluestone, Harrison or Baker, but last week I was able to contact Wade Thomas, who teaches economics and business at SUNY Oneonta and who quoted those figures in his own co-written 2005 book called “Economic Issues Today: Alternative Approaches.”

Here’s the paragraph from Thomas’ book that applies: “According to one study [the one by Bluestone et al.] a 1 percent increase in the unemployment rate will be associated with 37,000 deaths [including 20,000 heart attacks], 920 suicides, 650 homicides, 4,000 state mental hospital admissions and 3,300 state prison admissions.”

 

 

 

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19 hours ago, Mjd33 said:

Let’s see A high school football forum troll vs one of the most credentialed authors in the country. Yes, Let’s take your word :)

Again, I'm a fan of his work. I just don't think he has magical powers to prove something that's, so far, been unprovable.

Your point is lost on all reasonable people.

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