noonereal Posted March 1, 2020 Report Share Posted March 1, 2020 8 hours ago, Bormio said: The point is limiting the spread is likely impossible. Some will get it, some won’t. And the mortality is quite low. We do not go nuts over a flu epidemic. While there is a vaccine - it is nowhere near 100% effective. not sure what you are advocating here can you be specific? given what we know now, what would your approach be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bormio Posted March 1, 2020 Report Share Posted March 1, 2020 1 hour ago, noonereal said: not sure what you are advocating here can you be specific? given what we know now, what would your approach be? What do we do for a usual flu epidemic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bormio Posted March 1, 2020 Report Share Posted March 1, 2020 2 hours ago, noonereal said: so you think the bans in Switzerland and Italy are ill advised? It may slow the spread a little, and that might help mitigate the overloading of our healthcare system - but the in the end, I do not think it will prevent the spread of the disease much at all, if any. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedZone Posted March 1, 2020 Report Share Posted March 1, 2020 52 minutes ago, Bormio said: What do we do for a usual flu epidemic? They should change the name of the coronavirus to the bormioflu and we just all move along to better and more important things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bormio Posted March 1, 2020 Report Share Posted March 1, 2020 33 minutes ago, RedZone said: They should change the name of the coronavirus to the bormioflu and we just all move along to better and more important things. The reason the experts are all shaking their heads is that no one has any idea how to control the spread in a meaningful way. It is not a lack of money or resources. And panic has negative health consequences as well. The man or woman with chest pain that won’t go to the doctor because they don’t want to get the virus - and dies at home from a heart attack. Or won’t go to the doctor with respiratory symptoms because they fear they will get locked up. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedZone Posted March 1, 2020 Report Share Posted March 1, 2020 4 minutes ago, Bormio said: The reason the experts are all shaking their heads is that no one has any idea how to control the spread in a meaningful way. It is not a lack of money or resources. And panic has negative health consequences as well. The man or woman with chest pain that won’t go to the doctor because they don’t want to get the virus - and dies at home from a heart attack. Or won’t go to the doctor with respiratory symptoms because they fear they will get locked up. I'm pretty sure you are totally against the coronavirus and have been since day one. Simple. Don't "vote" for it. At least admit to yourself it's not a hoax. .....it's all a hoax when dictator trump holds a rally, but when addressing the nation trump sings a different tune.....everyone is not a redneck. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Guru Posted March 1, 2020 Report Share Posted March 1, 2020 21 hours ago, Bormio said: Yeah, the mortality of the plague in 14th Century Europe really resembles that of the coronavirus. I never said that it did. If it's old news then it must not have been a big deal. Did you bother to read the previous posts? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Guru Posted March 1, 2020 Report Share Posted March 1, 2020 2 hours ago, Bormio said: What do we do for a usual flu epidemic? Epidemics are stable. It's only public awareness of this sort that keeps things from becoming a pandemic. So the reason why it might not become the black plague is the very same reason that you clowns are criticizing the coverage of it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bormio Posted March 1, 2020 Report Share Posted March 1, 2020 6 minutes ago, The Guru said: Epidemics are stable. It's only public awareness of this sort that keeps things from becoming a pandemic. So the reason why it might not become the black plague is the very same reason that you clowns are criticizing the coverage of it. The reason it won’t be the Black Plague is that the vast majority of cases not only do not result in death, but are mild and self-limited. Mass hysteria is not good, not only for the economic dislocation, but real negative health effects (people fearing to seek medical care for any reason). Trust me, I see people who won’t go to the doctor for anything during a flu outbreak. Some of that might be prudent, but it could also be a fatal mistake. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Guru Posted March 1, 2020 Report Share Posted March 1, 2020 4 minutes ago, Bormio said: Mass hysteria is not good, not only for the economic dislocation, but real negative health effects (people fearing to seek medical care for any reason). Anti-media types like you think that everything that rocks your boat is mass hysteria. There's absolutely nothing about this that is mass hysteria. There's literally a weakling in this thread who hates this solely because he thinks it hurts Trump. Imagine being that deluded. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Guru Posted March 1, 2020 Report Share Posted March 1, 2020 5 hours ago, noonereal said: not sure what you are advocating here They're advocating doing nothing if it hurts Trump. That's one of the most unattractive things about conservatism. They're nihilists about everything that doesn't either benefit conservatism or their bottom line. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedZone Posted March 1, 2020 Report Share Posted March 1, 2020 41 minutes ago, The Guru said: It's only public awareness of this sort that keeps things from becoming a pandemic. Why can't they see that? Why? Why? Why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bormio Posted March 1, 2020 Report Share Posted March 1, 2020 46 minutes ago, The Guru said: Anti-media types like you think that everything that rocks your boat is mass hysteria. There's absolutely nothing about this that is mass hysteria. There's literally a weakling in this thread who hates this solely because he thinks it hurts Trump. Imagine being that deluded. If there isn’t mass hysteria yet, it is not for lack of trying by the media. But people are skeptical about what they believe from them. Every hour, lead story “Virus in Oregon”, “Virus in Washington”, “Virus to Tank Economy and Markets”, “Should we close schools and stop public gatherings?” And on and on, breathlessly, trying to be more sensational and cutting-edge than the competition. It isn’t just about politics, media laps this stuff up for ratings. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bormio Posted March 1, 2020 Report Share Posted March 1, 2020 The best argument for measures designed to slow the spread of the disease (besides good personal habits) is not really to prevent its eventual transmission- but to slow it - so the number of truly sick patients occurring at once does not overwhelm our ability to provide care. The degree to which these could be necessary should be monitored continuously- but the disruptions some of those entail can be more than inconvenient- but actually harmful. They should not be undertaken lightly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Blueliner Posted March 1, 2020 Report Share Posted March 1, 2020 Meanwhile. In other related news. According to the CDC, in 2020, in the US alone, there has been over 32 million reported cases of the flu. Out of those 32 million there has been over 310,000 have required subsequent hospitalization and over 18,000 deaths. MSM for flu...crickets. Nothing to see here. 62 coronavirus cases and 1 death in a country of 333 million...24/7 'round the clock coverage, mass hysteria by MSM. Ok. Back to regularly scheduled programming. 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Guru Posted March 1, 2020 Report Share Posted March 1, 2020 2 hours ago, Bormio said: Every hour, lead story “Virus in Oregon”, “Virus in Washington”, “Virus to Tank Economy and Markets”, “Should we close schools and stop public gatherings?” So true, true, true and rhetorical question. You just don't like the indirect blowback that may come and so you criticize the media for reporting news. That seems like a you problem. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Guru Posted March 1, 2020 Report Share Posted March 1, 2020 2 hours ago, Bormio said: The best argument for measures designed to slow the spread of the disease (besides good personal habits) is not really to prevent its eventual transmission- but to slow it - so the number of truly sick patients occurring at once does not overwhelm our ability to provide care. The degree to which these could be necessary should be monitored continuously- but the disruptions some of those entail can be more than inconvenient- but actually harmful. They should not be undertaken lightly. This is a complete word salad of nonsense. I'm always amused by people who complain about how quarantines, etc. disrupt people's lives. Yeah, no shit. They're trying to prevent a global outbreak of a disease in which there is no vaccine. There are people dying all over the world right now and clowns like you only care about stock prices falling because the media is covering it. I came to conclusion long ago that some of you are just terrible human beings. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Guru Posted March 1, 2020 Report Share Posted March 1, 2020 47 minutes ago, Blueliner said: Meanwhile. In other related news. According to the CDC, in 2020, in the US alone, there has been over 32 million reported cases of the flu. Out of those 32 million there has been over 310,000 have required subsequent hospitalization and over 18,000 deaths. MSM for flu...crickets. The flu is normal, stable and has a vaccine that is plentiful and easily available. Therefore, the flu is not a news story. More people die every year falling out of bed than they do by Islamic terrorism. But an Islamic terrorist attack is front page story while bed fallings are not. And if they tried to cover up, or under report, an Islamic terrorist attack you'd go apeshit. You people are clowns who have no perspective. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueliner Posted March 1, 2020 Report Share Posted March 1, 2020 1 hour ago, The Guru said: The flu is normal, stable and has a vaccine that is plentiful and easily available. Therefore, the flu is not a news story. More people die every year falling out of bed than they do by Islamic terrorism. But an Islamic terrorist attack is front page story while bed fallings are not. And if they tried to cover up, or under report, an Islamic terrorist attack you'd go apeshit. You people are clowns who have no perspective. Not sure what the hell Islamic terrorism has to do with the MSMS completely overhyping a virus that has killed 1 person while ignoring the fact that over 18k have died from the flu. It's called perspective. I get it, there's vaccines for the flu. There will be one for the dreaded coronavirus soon too. But in the meantime the MSM's 24/7 'round the clock, the sky is falling, it's Armageddon, coverage is causing unnecessary panic. Are YOU changing you lifestyle due to this? I'm certainly not. EVERYTHING is being done that can be done. Let's panic when it's time to panic. Good grief. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Guru Posted March 1, 2020 Report Share Posted March 1, 2020 7 minutes ago, Blueliner said: Not sure what the hell Islamic terrorism has to do with the MSMS completely overhyping a virus that has killed 1 person while ignoring the fact that over 18k have died from the flu. You're not very bright but we all knew that. Islamic terrorism accounts for, on average, two deaths per year in the United States. Based on the criteria you just laid out it shouldn't be covered by the media and is not, in fact, a big deal at all. On the flip side, 69 people are killed every year by lawnmowers. If I have to explain this to you any further then you're, indeed, an idiot. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Guru Posted March 1, 2020 Report Share Posted March 1, 2020 11 minutes ago, Blueliner said: EVERYTHING is being done that can be done. Which is irrelevant to whether the media should cover it or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueliner Posted March 1, 2020 Report Share Posted March 1, 2020 4 minutes ago, The Guru said: Which is irrelevant to whether the media should cover it or not. It’s the manner in which it’s covered is the problem. I know that you understand that, even though you will continue to argue simply for the sake of arguing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedZone Posted March 1, 2020 Report Share Posted March 1, 2020 10 minutes ago, The Guru said: If I have to explain this to you any further then you're, indeed, an idiot. Try it again only much much slower this time for him... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noonereal Posted March 1, 2020 Report Share Posted March 1, 2020 9 hours ago, Bormio said: What do we do for a usual flu epidemic? there is no vaccine! and hygiene is never optimized in flu season... few change any habits at all. Flu could be better addressed if we forgot about the vaccine and spent the money on hygiene. To my mind, doing what we do for flu is a giant waste because we essentially do nothing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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