thc6795 Posted April 2, 2020 Report Share Posted April 2, 2020 3 minutes ago, Horsefly said: Greg Burel retired as the dir of the SNS in Jan, had been dir for years under both admin stated the SNS is not the cure all for emergencies, their mission has always been to be a stop gap measure temporarily until state agencies or private sector could get things manufactured on their own the states have their own plans and stockpiling measures, they bare some blame he testified to Congress and OMB numerous times throughout the years about their shortfall, it was left unfunded to pay for other gov priorities. Congress deserves some blame heres a podcast with the former Dir talking about a lot of this stuff. It’s a good listen instead of just clinging to anything that farts Obama’s name https://homelandprepnews.com/featured/46028-exclusive-conversation-with-former-strategic-national-stockpile-director-about-the-u-s-governments-covid-19-response/ Nothing is ever Obam's fault Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted April 2, 2020 Report Share Posted April 2, 2020 1 minute ago, Horsefly said: Greg Burel retired as the dir of the SNS in Jan, had been dir for years under both admin stated the SNS is not the cure all for emergencies, their mission has always been to be a stop gap measure temporarily until state agencies or private sector could get things manufactured on their own the states have their own plans and stockpiling measures, they bare some blame he testified to Congress and OMB numerous times throughout the years about their shortfall, it was left unfunded to pay for other gov priorities. Congress deserves some blame heres a podcast with the former Dir talking about a lot of this stuff. It’s a good listen instead of just clinging to anything that farts Obama’s name https://homelandprepnews.com/featured/46028-exclusive-conversation-with-former-strategic-national-stockpile-director-about-the-u-s-governments-covid-19-response/ Do you notice how you jump all over me for even deigning to point out that the Obama administration might have some culpability here, yet people run rampant blaming Trump for anything and everything under the sun yet you mysteriously keep the hole under your mouth shut about it? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Guru Posted April 2, 2020 Report Share Posted April 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, Horsefly said: Greg Burel retired as the dir of the SNS in Jan, had been dir for years under both admin stated the SNS is not the cure all for emergencies, their mission has always been to be a stop gap measure temporarily until state agencies or private sector could get things manufactured on their own the states have their own plans and stockpiling measures, they bare some blame he testified to Congress and OMB numerous times throughout the years about their shortfall, it was left unfunded to pay for other gov priorities. Congress deserves some blame heres a podcast with the former Dir talking about a lot of this stuff. It’s a good listen instead of just clinging to anything that farts Obama’s name He's also cited in this article. 3 minutes ago, The Guru said: How Obama’s failure to resupply respirators in federal stockpile created a 2020 crisis This website definitely leans right but there's some good background in here. Greg Burel, the official who oversaw the stockpile for years before his recent retirement, told the Washington Post recently that officials made decisions based on risk analysis that prioritized the drugs, which expire every few years, over supplies like the masks. “If there is a drug product that we must have or else people would die and a commercial product we can buy in a time of need, then we’re going to invest in that drug product,” Burel explained to the newspaper. “Those are the kind of hard decisions you have to make.” 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted April 2, 2020 Report Share Posted April 2, 2020 1 minute ago, concha said: Do you notice how you jump all over me for even deigning to point out that the Obama administration might have some culpability here, yet people run rampant blaming Trump for anything and everything under the sun yet you mysteriously keep the hole under your mouth shut about it? Do you read or are you so quick to make your point you gloss over stuff? 👇 8 hours ago, Horsefly said: Trump had 3 years to bring inventory back to optimal level. They both were negligent. Enough of the finger pointing and hang wringing. Fix it and move on ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Guru Posted April 2, 2020 Report Share Posted April 2, 2020 5 minutes ago, concha said: Do you notice how you jump all over me for even deigning to point out that the Obama administration might have some culpability here, yet people run rampant blaming Trump for anything and everything under the sun yet you mysteriously keep the hole under your mouth shut about it? horsefly just seems to be more honest than you are on this topic. 👇 5 minutes ago, The Guru said: Greg Burel, the official who oversaw the stockpile for years before his recent retirement, told the Washington Post recently that officials made decisions based on risk analysis that prioritized the drugs, which expire every few years, over supplies like the masks. “If there is a drug product that we must have or else people would die and a commercial product we can buy in a time of need, then we’re going to invest in that drug product,” Burel explained to the newspaper. “Those are the kind of hard decisions you have to make.” The risk analysis made was perfectly reasonable. Drugs were prioritized over products that could be bought cheaply and in bulk at the outset of a crisis. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted April 2, 2020 Report Share Posted April 2, 2020 Just now, Horsefly said: Do you read or are you so quick to make your point you gloss over stuff? 👇 After I bring up the issue. Where you when so many on the board were laying responsibility for shortages squarely at the feet of Trump? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted April 2, 2020 Report Share Posted April 2, 2020 6 minutes ago, concha said: After I bring up the issue. Where you when so many on the board were laying responsibility for shortages squarely at the feet of Trump? What pisses me off the most, is this is an intricate process that Donald knows what and how decisions are made and he still blames Obama. Even in a crisis he can’t stop lying and using a crisis to politic for support. E.g. he knows damn well congress approves budgets and a request for increase to cover for these shortfalls was shot down at that level and has been even under his tenure 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thc6795 Posted April 2, 2020 Report Share Posted April 2, 2020 1 minute ago, Horsefly said: What pisses me off the most, is this is an intricate process that Donald knows what and how decisions are made and he still blames Obama. Even in a crisis he can’t stop lying and using a crisis to politic for support. E.g. he knows damn well congress approves budgets and a request for increase to cover for these shortfalls was shot down at that level. Then why doesn’t it piss you off that the same thing happened to Trump? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Guru Posted April 2, 2020 Report Share Posted April 2, 2020 3 minutes ago, concha said: Where you when so many on the board were laying responsibility for shortages squarely at the feet of Trump? It's certainly the responsibility of this Administration. But it's no surprise that the Administration that didn't show up for the transition at key agencies also wouldn't do an inventory of medical supplies for three years. Or that same Administration wouldn't order millions of medical supplies even after the first case was reported, waiting as much as two weeks to ask for additional funding for more masks. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted April 2, 2020 Report Share Posted April 2, 2020 3 minutes ago, thc6795 said: Then why doesn’t it piss you off that the same thing happened to Trump? I just told you why. It’s not the general public I give a shit about running their mouths...it’s him!! he stood up there and misled people to think this was all Obama and Biden’s error. all along he knew he had an agency that oversees the stockpiling and knew there were shortfalls in the inventory and those shortfalls were briefed to OMB and Congress. It wasn’t a surprise, decisions were made to spend elsewhere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thc6795 Posted April 2, 2020 Report Share Posted April 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, Horsefly said: I just told you why. It’s not the general public I give a shit about running their mouths...it’s him!! he stood up there and misled people to think this was all Obama and Biden’s error. Man anytime anyone says something neg abot saint Obama you jump to his defense. Tell me what do you think Obama did wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted April 2, 2020 Report Share Posted April 2, 2020 Just now, Horsefly said: What pisses me off the most, is this is an intricate process that Donald knows what and how decisions are made and he still blames Obama. Even in a crisis he can’t stop lying and using a crisis to politic for support. E.g. he knows damn well congress approves budgets and a request for increase to cover for these shortfalls was shot down at that level. Yet Trump is the one widely blamed. That doesn't appear to piss you off. The production screw-up with testing kits... all Trump... as if he is responsible for bad reagents and running virus test manufacturing facilities. Where is the criticism on this board for local leadership, especially in New York? Mayor, congressmen, health officials... all more concerned about being woke. The demand for 30k ventilators there? Just taken as gospel. No explanation required. And if Trump can't snap his fingers and make them appear yesterday, it's ALL on him... He's certainly said things worthy of criticism, but let's be honest, this is a crisis not being wasted by the left. If you have a "D" next to your name you are teflon. If your name is Trump and/or there is an "R", it's open season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted April 2, 2020 Report Share Posted April 2, 2020 Just now, concha said: Yet Trump is the one widely blamed. That doesn't appear to piss you off. The production screw-up with testing kits... all Trump... as if he is responsible for bad reagents and running virus test manufacturing facilities. Where is the criticism on this board for local leadership, especially in New York? Mayor, congressmen, health officials... all more concerned about being woke. The demand for 30k ventilators there? Just taken as gospel. No explanation required. And if Trump can't snap his fingers and make them appear yesterday, it's ALL on him... He's certainly said things worthy of criticism, but let's be honest, this is a crisis not being wasted by the left. If you have a "D" next to your name you are teflon. If your name is Trump and/or there is an "R", it's open season. How many times do I need to repeat this. My problem is with donald casting blame, the elected official blaming a former admin when he was just as culpable in addressing and fixing the problem in his first 3 years. He and Congress chose to allocate funds elsewhere, it is what it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thc6795 Posted April 2, 2020 Report Share Posted April 2, 2020 1 minute ago, concha said: Yet Trump is the one widely blamed. That doesn't appear to piss you off. The production screw-up with testing kits... all Trump... as if he is responsible for bad reagents and running virus test manufacturing facilities. Where is the criticism on this board for local leadership, especially in New York? Mayor, congressmen, health officials... all more concerned about being woke. The demand for 30k ventilators there? Just taken as gospel. No explanation required. And if Trump can't snap his fingers and make them appear yesterday, it's ALL on him... He's certainly said things worthy of criticism, but let's be honest, this is a crisis not being wasted by the left. If you have a "D" next to your name you are teflon. If your name is Trump and/or there is an "R", it's open season. You can bet your ass if Trump's numbers were down on the way he is handling the Wuhan. The networks would be pissing themselves to get him on air. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted April 2, 2020 Report Share Posted April 2, 2020 3 minutes ago, thc6795 said: Man anytime anyone says something neg abot saint Obama you jump to his defense. Tell me what do you think Obama did wrong? 👇 9 hours ago, Horsefly said: Trump had 3 years to bring inventory back to optimal level. They both were negligent. Enough of the finger pointing and hang wringing. Fix it and move on ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Guru Posted April 2, 2020 Report Share Posted April 2, 2020 14 minutes ago, thc6795 said: Then why doesn’t it piss you off that the same thing happened to Trump? Because there's no evidence that it did. Trump's first instinct was to claim that the hospitals didn't really need the amount of masks that they were requesting. Trump noted suspiciously that hospitals are now asking for many more masks than they used to, before the coronavirus appeared. “How do you go from [10,000] to 20,000 masks [prior to the pandemic] — to 300,000…” he said, “Something’s going on. And you ought to look into it as reporters. Where are the masks going? Are they going out the back door? … And we have that happening in numerous places.” “I don’t think it’s hoarding,” he later added, “I think maybe it’s worse than hoarding.” The Administration, at the earliest that I can tell, didn't request additional funds for masks until more than two weeks after the first reported case and were "shot down" by OMB. The point is that they're scrambling for a reason. They didn't do a proper inventory three years ago and then didn't react very quickly after the first reported case. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Guru Posted April 2, 2020 Report Share Posted April 2, 2020 6 minutes ago, thc6795 said: Man anytime anyone says something neg abot saint Obama you jump to his defense. Tell me what do you think Obama did wrong? The facts jump to his defense according to any reasonable person. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Guru Posted April 2, 2020 Report Share Posted April 2, 2020 7 minutes ago, concha said: He's certainly said things worthy of criticism, And what would those things be? (This request won't be fulfilled) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedZone Posted April 2, 2020 Report Share Posted April 2, 2020 Saw a woman at Rouses Market (Cajun Winn-Dixie, if you will) yesterday sporting a coffee filter mask......looked like she had pressed together 4 or 5 coffee filters and had some sort of string or elastic something or another attached to it... Times are tough here, but that's pretty genius...... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted April 2, 2020 Report Share Posted April 2, 2020 4 minutes ago, Horsefly said: How many times do I need to repeat this. My problem is with donald casting blame, the elected official blaming a former admin when he was just as culpable in addressing and fixing the problem in his first 3 years. He and Congress chose to allocate funds elsewhere, it is what it is. So much for "you use it, you replace it". Meanwhile, Obama sits in his $12M home on Martha's Vineyard (or wherever the hell he is) smiling as he is effectively never mentioned in any negative light at all about it. Convenient. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troll Posted April 2, 2020 Report Share Posted April 2, 2020 1 minute ago, The Guru said: The facts jump to his defense according to any reasonable person. SPEAK FOR YOUR🧐SELF still not doing it are you... why do you always post this crap when you get stuck 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Guru Posted April 2, 2020 Report Share Posted April 2, 2020 1 minute ago, concha said: So much for "you use it, you replace it". Meanwhile, Obama sits in his $12M home on Martha's Vineyard (or wherever the hell he is) smiling as he is effectively never mentioned in any negative light at all about it. Convenient. He is mentioned in a negative light. He also just happens to be exculpated by the facts. 37 minutes ago, The Guru said: How Obama’s failure to resupply respirators in federal stockpile created a 2020 crisis This website definitely leans right but there's some good background in here. 31 minutes ago, The Guru said: Greg Burel, the official who oversaw the stockpile for years before his recent retirement, told the Washington Post recently that officials made decisions based on risk analysis that prioritized the drugs, which expire every few years, over supplies like the masks. “If there is a drug product that we must have or else people would die and a commercial product we can buy in a time of need, then we’re going to invest in that drug product,” Burel explained to the newspaper. “Those are the kind of hard decisions you have to make.” Yes. Facts are convenient. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted April 2, 2020 Report Share Posted April 2, 2020 Just now, concha said: So much for "you use it, you replace it". Meanwhile, Obama sits in his $12M home on Martha's Vineyard (or wherever the hell he is) smiling as he is effectively never mentioned in any negative light at all about it. Convenient. Had Obama had another pandemic under his watch and he was short supplies, then he’d be the one to blame for that issue. However, his term as president was up and he passed on the presidency in Jan ‘17. trumps focus for 3 years was on the damn wall and had no problem reallocating mil construction to help build it. Priorities.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Guru Posted April 2, 2020 Report Share Posted April 2, 2020 3 minutes ago, Horsefly said: Had Obama had another pandemic under his watch and he was short supplies, then he’d be the one to blame for that issue. However, his term as president was up and he passed on the presidency in Jan ‘17. trumps focus for 3 years was on the damn wall and had no problem reallocating mil construction to help build it. Priorities.... It would be very simple for Trump to exculpate himself on this: if he had proposed a budget that included money for 100 million medical masks and it wasn't adopted by Congress then his Administration would've done their part. But there's no evidence that the same Administration that fired the pandemic team in 2018 was aware enough to make such a request. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBP66 Posted April 2, 2020 Report Share Posted April 2, 2020 10 minutes ago, concha said: So much for "you use it, you replace it". Meanwhile, Obama sits in his $12M home on Martha's Vineyard (or wherever the hell he is) smiling as he is effectively never mentioned in any negative light at all about it. Convenient. LOL..still stuck on Obama!... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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