concha Posted April 5, 2020 Report Share Posted April 5, 2020 10 minutes ago, The Guru said: Ah, yes. One of the dumber arguments I've heard trying to explain away his popular defeat. Somehow Californians aren't American citizens all of the sudden. If you removed the arbitrary state line and voted again, she would still win by almost 3 million votes. And if it was the other way around you'd be squealing right now about how unfair it is and how the deep state as keeping the more popular person out of the White House. Andy, good morning. In US presidential elections, there is no such thing as a "popular defeat". The "competition" is for electoral votes. Since popular votes are not the objective (simply a meaningless "nice to have"), the notion of a "defeat" is nothing but a weak-minded self-denial of sorts. Consult your grade-school civics book for confirmation. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Guru Posted April 5, 2020 Report Share Posted April 5, 2020 7 minutes ago, concha said: In US presidential elections, there is no such thing as a "popular defeat". Yes, there is. They count the popular vote. Trump is not a popularly elected President. But it's cute to see concha try to play semantic games to cover for his incompetence/dishonesty. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Guru Posted April 5, 2020 Report Share Posted April 5, 2020 8 minutes ago, concha said: The "competition" is for electoral votes. Since popular votes are not the objective (simply a meaningless "nice to have"), the notion of a "defeat" is nothing but a weak-minded self-denial of sorts. And, again, name me one person who was on the ballot who wasn't trying to win more votes than the other candidates. You can't. This is an explanation after the fact to cover for his historic popular vote loss for an electoral vote winner. Soon you'll be telling me that George W. Bush also wasn't trying to get more votes. concha's attempt to be an intellectual in a sea of right-wing dumbassery is rather sad and pathetic. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted April 5, 2020 Report Share Posted April 5, 2020 19 minutes ago, The Guru said: Yes, there is. They count the popular vote. Trump is not a popularly elected President. But it's cute to see concha try to play semantic games to cover for his incompetence/dishonesty. Well, this a special kind of stupid. Thanks, Andy. Is the this the "official trophy" because somebody adds up the popular vote? 🤡 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Guru Posted April 5, 2020 Report Share Posted April 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, concha said: Well, this a special kind of stupid. Anything to justify losing. That's what concha will do after-the-fact even though winning popular support is a crucial aspect of governing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted April 5, 2020 Report Share Posted April 5, 2020 32 minutes ago, The Guru said: And, again, name me one person who was on the ballot who wasn't trying to win more votes than the other candidates. You can't. This is an explanation after the fact to cover for his historic popular vote loss for an electoral vote winner. Soon you'll be telling me that George W. Bush also wasn't trying to get more votes. concha's attempt to be an intellectual in a sea of right-wing dumbassery is rather sad and pathetic. Meaningless, Andy. But FYI, being adamant about your "dumbassery" doesn't make you right. Typically a football team would like to have more yardage than their opponent, but that - like the popular vote - is in the end absolutely meaningless. Continue with your "dumbassery", Andy. 🤣 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Guru Posted April 5, 2020 Report Share Posted April 5, 2020 25 minutes ago, concha said: Meaningless, Getting more votes is meaningless. (Only if you get less votes) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Guru Posted April 5, 2020 Report Share Posted April 5, 2020 25 minutes ago, concha said: Typically a football team would like to have more yardage than their opponent, but that - like the popular vote - is in the end absolutely meaningless. Votes are not yards.They're points. They're the actual point of an election. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted April 5, 2020 Report Share Posted April 5, 2020 1 minute ago, The Guru said: Votes are not yards.They're points. They're the actual point of an election. "Electoral votes" 🤡 In AndyLand, President Hillary Clint... wait... 🤣 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Guru Posted April 5, 2020 Report Share Posted April 5, 2020 1 minute ago, concha said: "Electoral votes" Nobody has yet gotten enough electoral votes without winning, you know, actual votes. But when Spotted Eagle can get electoral votes out of nowhere then you know the system is fucked. But if Spotted Eagle had gotten enough unfaithful electors to win the Presidency, I doubt you'd be making the same argument right now about the special nature of electoral votes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted April 5, 2020 Report Share Posted April 5, 2020 4 minutes ago, The Guru said: Votes are not yards.They're points. They're the actual point of an election. Popular votes in an American presidential election are actually very much like yards in football, Andy. They often can be an indicator of the winner, but they are not always so as they are not what finally determines the contest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUFORDGAWOLVES Posted April 5, 2020 Report Share Posted April 5, 2020 If it's posted on Twitter, it's guaranteed to be 100% accurate..... Says.... nobody. BGW 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Guru Posted April 5, 2020 Report Share Posted April 5, 2020 Just now, concha said: Popular votes in an American presidential election are actually very much like yards in football, Andy. No, the intent of an election is to get votes. Again, nobody enters a Presidential race with the intent of losing the popular vote by millions and stumbling into 270 electoral votes. It's a conclusion only reached after one has lost the popular vote. Which is what you're doing now. Your dishonesty is so transparent. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Guru Posted April 5, 2020 Report Share Posted April 5, 2020 1 minute ago, concha said: They often can be an indicator of the winner, but they are not always so as they are not what finally determines the contest. They're always an indicator of popular support which is why every President that hasn't won it has been terrible, unpopular and had difficulty governing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted April 5, 2020 Report Share Posted April 5, 2020 9 minutes ago, The Guru said: No, the intent of an election is to get votes. Again, nobody enters a Presidential race with the intent of losing the popular vote by millions and stumbling into 270 electoral votes. It's a conclusion only reached after one has lost the popular vote. Which is what you're doing now. Your dishonesty is so transparent. You may well have been a top adviser on the Hillary campaign. Why spend any more time in Wisconsin, Michigan... ??? 🤡 LMAO @ Andy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Horsefly Posted April 5, 2020 Report Share Posted April 5, 2020 9 minutes ago, GardenStateBaller said: The Fungus Among Us. He was arrested Jan 28, why are you recycling old news? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Guru Posted April 5, 2020 Report Share Posted April 5, 2020 No Link Between Harvard Scientist Charles Lieber and Coronavirus @GardenStateBaller purposefully posting lies to try to shill for Trump. This doctor was arrested by the FBI on January 28th. You can't even get your propaganda and lies correct. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolebull813 Posted April 5, 2020 Report Share Posted April 5, 2020 3 hours ago, The Guru said: Ah, yes. One of the dumber arguments I've heard trying to explain away his popular defeat. Somehow Californians aren't American citizens all of the sudden. If you removed the arbitrary state line and voted again, she would still win by almost 3 million votes. And if it was the other way around you'd be squealing right now about how unfair it is and how the deep state as keeping the more popular person out of the White House. Actually a significant portion of California’s occupants are not American citizens. And to say he was largely unpopular in the entire country because Hillary won California by 4.3 million votes is an attempt to deceive. It would be like a vote in all of Europe but someone loses England like that and saying ALL OF EUROPE THINKS THEY ARE UNPOPULAR!!!! Actually it is a compliment that Trump cleaned up in real America and lost that Anti-American piece of crap state. It shows who really loves the place. And P.S. popular vote winners don’t select Supreme Court Judges!!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Guru Posted April 5, 2020 Report Share Posted April 5, 2020 21 minutes ago, Nolebull813 said: Actually a significant portion of California’s occupants are not American citizens. But not a significant portion of their voters in November 2016. Which is what's relevant to the topic. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Guru Posted April 5, 2020 Report Share Posted April 5, 2020 22 minutes ago, Nolebull813 said: And to say he was largely unpopular in the entire country because Hillary won California by 4.3 million votes is an attempt to deceive. He was largely unpopular in the entire country because he get only got 46% of the vote in the entire country and has never had an approval rating above that number since then. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Guru Posted April 5, 2020 Report Share Posted April 5, 2020 23 minutes ago, Nolebull813 said: It would be like a vote in all of Europe but someone loses England like that and saying ALL OF EUROPE THINKS THEY ARE UNPOPULAR!!!! Wha? 🤡 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Guru Posted April 5, 2020 Report Share Posted April 5, 2020 tl:dr Nolebull: Oh, yeah!? Well, I'm going to make stuff up to make myself feel better about your facts! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belly Bob Posted April 5, 2020 Report Share Posted April 5, 2020 38 minutes ago, GardenStateBaller said: The Fungus Among Us. The coronavirus is a hoax. People are dying from the seasonal flu, remember? And the FBI works for the deep state and therefore against Trump. Have you already forgotten? Try to get your story straight. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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