George Floyd’s Death and Protests

[NorCalRuss]

5 minutes ago, SOCIntellectualProperty said:

That's kind of besides the point

 

When cops are doing the murder, they usually escape justice, whether we know who the murderer is or not 

Therein lies the difference. When "Tyrone" is the 'known' perpetrator, Maximum's statement is 100 percent correct 

The low conviction rate is due to communities not turning in the known killers, they care so much about blm when a white cop kills them but not when “Tyrone” does. 
The difference in your comment is Tyrone is randomly killing people with no defense...
 

Majority ( I know there’s been bad killings and Floyd’s was, almost like it was staged as no police or medical protocol followed) of cop killings are justified because Tyrone/Cajuns/Jose’s/ was trying to kill, resisting, etc...
 

When there’s millions of police encounters a day, bad shit is going to happen.... No matter wtf anyone does...

So the simple solution is limit the crime, limit the reaction and limit the contact with Police.  Majority of problem solved...

The bigger solution is instilling in kids values and respect for law and others and having 2 parents raise the kids to live a positive life...

Overall, this is way more of a socioeconomics issue than race issue....

 

 

[SOCIntellectualProperty]

22 minutes ago, NorCalRuss said:

The low conviction rate is due to communities not turning in the known killers, they care so much about blm when a white cop kills them but not when “Tyrone” does. 
The difference in your comment is Tyrone is randomly killing people with no defense...
 

Majority ( I know there’s been bad killings and Floyd’s was, almost like it was staged as no police or medical protocol followed) of cop killings are justified because Tyrone/Cajuns/Jose’s/ was trying to kill, resisting, etc...
 

When there’s millions of police encounters a day, bad shit is going to happen.... No matter wtf anyone does...

So the simple solution is limit the crime, limit the reaction and limit the contact with Police.  Majority of problem solved...

The bigger solution is instilling in kids values and respect for law and others and having 2 parents raise the kids to live a positive life...

Overall, this is way more of a socioeconomics issue than race issue....

 

 

This is a corrupt and poorly trained official issue. 

There's also that thing with perception

Cops are twice as likely to encounter  a white felon in this country than they are a black oneand while blacks do kill more than their share, more cops are killed by whites than they are by blacks.

Still blacks are twice as likely to be killed by a cop than a white person.

Atiatiana Jefferson was a student playing video games with her nephew. A friend of mine moms called 911 for assistance and was murdered. A young 7 year old girl was shot 9 times while she slept.

Blaming this on 'socioeconomics' is giving evil and ignorance  an out... whether you realize that or not.  

 

[SOCIntellectualProperty]

43 minutes ago, concha said:

 

Curious as to how often you think cops murder and escape justice.

 

 

My honest guess would be around 95 percent at least .

 Cops rarely arrest each other.... DA's charging them is just as rare....Majority white juries convicting them is even more rare.... and a judge giving a proper sentence almost never happens 

 

I know of at least 5 people murdered by cops that are free today and their stories never made the news.

 

There are cops who have murdered black men by shooting them in the back on camera as he complied with her orders.

 

Not only was she acquitted but she's giving courses on how to handle the stress from criticism  cops receive when they kill someone. She shot the man in the back on camera.

 

 

[TheMaximumHornetSting]

@rockinl I got a question. 

Where does the knee even come from? Because it doesn't seem like something they should or would teach officers to do. 

[TheMaximumHornetSting]

And another thing... in terms of motive...

Floyd and Derek could've had some problems previously... They did work together at some point... Even then that's still fucked up man... 

[rockinl]

4 minutes ago, TheMaximumHornetSting said:

@rockinl I got a question. 

Where does the knee even come from? Because it doesn't seem like something they should or would teach officers to do. 

The academies I went through taught knee in the back, not the neck.

[concha]

12 minutes ago, rockinl said:

The academies I went through taught knee in the back, not the neck.

 

The Minneapolis PD manual actually contains use of a leg across the neck.

5-311 USE OF NECK RESTRAINTS AND CHOKE HOLDS (10/16/02) (08/17/07) (10/01/10) (04/16/12)

DEFINITIONS I.

Choke Hold: Deadly force option. Defined as applying direct pressure on a person’s trachea or airway (front of the neck), blocking or obstructing the airway (04/16/12)

Neck Restraint: Non-deadly force option. Defined as compressing one or both sides of a person’s neck with an arm or leg, without applying direct pressure to the trachea or airway (front of the neck). Only sworn employees who have received training from the MPD Training Unit are authorized to use neck restraints. The MPD authorizes two types of neck restraints: Conscious Neck Restraint and Unconscious Neck Restraint. (04/16/12)

Conscious Neck Restraint: The subject is placed in a neck restraint with intent to control, and not to render the subject unconscious, by only applying light to moderate pressure. (04/16/12)

Unconscious Neck Restraint: The subject is placed in a neck restraint with the intention of rendering the person unconscious by applying adequate pressure. (04/16/12)

PROCEDURES/REGULATIONS II.

The Conscious Neck Restraint may be used against a subject who is actively resisting. (04/16/12)

The Unconscious Neck Restraint shall only be applied in the following circumstances: (04/16/12)
On a subject who is exhibiting active aggression, or;

For life saving purposes, or;

On a subject who is exhibiting active resistance in order to gain control of the subject; and if lesser attempts at control have been or would likely be ineffective.

Neck restraints shall not be used against subjects who are passively resisting as defined by policy. (04/16/12)

After Care Guidelines (04/16/12)

After a neck restraint or choke hold has been used on a subject, sworn MPD employees shall keep them under close observation until they are released to medical or other law enforcement personnel.
An officer who has used a neck restraint or choke hold shall inform individuals accepting custody of the subject, that the technique was used on the subject.

[rockinl]

3 minutes ago, concha said:

 

The Minneapolis PD manual actually contains use of a leg across the neck.

5-311 USE OF NECK RESTRAINTS AND CHOKE HOLDS (10/16/02) (08/17/07) (10/01/10) (04/16/12)

DEFINITIONS I.

Choke Hold: Deadly force option. Defined as applying direct pressure on a person’s trachea or airway (front of the neck), blocking or obstructing the airway (04/16/12)

Neck Restraint: Non-deadly force option. Defined as compressing one or both sides of a person’s neck with an arm or leg, without applying direct pressure to the trachea or airway (front of the neck). Only sworn employees who have received training from the MPD Training Unit are authorized to use neck restraints. The MPD authorizes two types of neck restraints: Conscious Neck Restraint and Unconscious Neck Restraint. (04/16/12)

Conscious Neck Restraint: The subject is placed in a neck restraint with intent to control, and not to render the subject unconscious, by only applying light to moderate pressure. (04/16/12)

Unconscious Neck Restraint: The subject is placed in a neck restraint with the intention of rendering the person unconscious by applying adequate pressure. (04/16/12)

PROCEDURES/REGULATIONS II.

The Conscious Neck Restraint may be used against a subject who is actively resisting. (04/16/12)

The Unconscious Neck Restraint shall only be applied in the following circumstances: (04/16/12)
On a subject who is exhibiting active aggression, or;

For life saving purposes, or;

On a subject who is exhibiting active resistance in order to gain control of the subject; and if lesser attempts at control have been or would likely be ineffective.

Neck restraints shall not be used against subjects who are passively resisting as defined by policy. (04/16/12)

After Care Guidelines (04/16/12)

After a neck restraint or choke hold has been used on a subject, sworn MPD employees shall keep them under close observation until they are released to medical or other law enforcement personnel.
An officer who has used a neck restraint or choke hold shall inform individuals accepting custody of the subject, that the technique was used on the subject.

Yep. Many states , including Texas allow it along with choke holds. Just depends on the department on whether it (knee in neck) is an authorized restraint method. 

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bump ...lol