FootballGuy Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 In the game of football (high school football to be exact), which one is more important: superior coaching or superior talent? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiberalDonaldTrump Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 Both Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ararar Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 Coaching...A good coach can take less talent and win games and a bad coach can take more talent and lose 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMe Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 Poorly coached/not prepared for the game talented teams get beat by well coached average teams regularly. When equally talented teams meet generally I look at the coaching to make the difference in the outcome. Put my kid on a team with better coaching for the long term, they (the players) get more to take forward. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noonereal Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 9 hours ago, FootballGuy said: In the game of football (high school football to be exact), which one is more important: superior coaching or superior talent? both of course but if you line up 2 quality coaches and 22 players and you and I pick our teams of 11.... I take the coach first, then the most talented of the players... but I thought I already told you the coach was most important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sausmann9 Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 8 hours ago, FootballGuy said: In the game of football (high school football to be exact), which one is more important: superior coaching or superior talent? coaching for sure - perfect example is Stephenson HS in Atlanta GA. More D1 players on that team than in the entire Middle GA area and still NO state titles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noonereal Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 9 hours ago, FootballGuy said: In the game of football (high school football to be exact), which one is more important: superior coaching or superior talent? I asked you a few times with no direct reply.. This is about Colquitt and the VM upcoming game. What is your point in all this????? I honestly don't understand. Colquitt will play VM, all players and all coaches are part of the equation. You seem to want to deny that. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolebull813 Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 Both STA vs Bosco games would be on the front cover of the book written about elite coaching beating all world talent with poor coaching 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noonereal Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 50 minutes ago, sausmann9 said: coaching for sure - perfect example is Stephenson HS in Atlanta GA. More D1 players on that team than in the entire Middle GA area and still NO state titles. I tried explaining this to DJ when he did his poll. A lot of talent on LA teams at the time that never did much but he kept over ranking them. Especially to start the year. LOL, I recall in 11' how he ranked Prattville preseason #1. Only poll in American that did not have Bosco at 1. I had predicted that was what he was going to do. How? Knowing he was big on headcounts and was biased for southern teams. I do miss that boy although he was often very rude. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aZjimbo Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 If I had to pick one I would pick good coaching but in reality a good/great coach with very little talent can only do so much. Talented players with crap coaching is going nowhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aZjimbo Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 14 minutes ago, noonereal said: I tried explaining this to DJ when he did his poll. A lot of talent on LA teams at the time that never did much but he kept over ranking them. Especially to start the year. LOL, I recall in 11' how he ranked Prattville preseason #1. Only poll in American that did not have Bosco at 1. I had predicted that was what he was going to do. How? Knowing he was big on headcounts and was biased toward southern teams. I do miss that boy although he was often very rude. Ask drummer, I also predicted he would not rank Bosco #1. It was his way of saying I'm different. As far as I can remember every other poll had Bosco #1. And then he dropped Bosco from #1 to #6 after a 45-0 win over PC then changed his mind and moved them up to #4. What a firestorm that created at rivals.com at the time. The talent on that team probably will not be produced for a long time in NJ. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noonereal Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 8 minutes ago, aZjimbo said: Ask drummer, I also predicted he would not rank Bosco #1. It was his way of saying I'm different. As far as I can remember every other poll had Bosco #1. And then he dropped Bosco from #1 to #6 after a 45-0 win over PC then changed his mind and moved them up to #4. What a firestorm that created at rivals.com at the time. The talent on that team probably will not be produced for a long time in NJ. I still wonder how much he ranked to cause controversy (increase post count) and how much it was just pure disdain for Bosco. Every story he wrote about Bosco in 11 was dripping with slights. I still think Ned was wrong to throw his poll out of Compilation but it does show the level of incompetence his poll showed. Imagine, some folks in KY still believe Trinity* they could have beaten Bosco that year, in spite of their 50 point a game team only scoring 17 vs X. LOL Reminds me of the Caterville cheerleaders last year. How different it is when you play good teams and good programs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxchoboian Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 10 hours ago, FootballGuy said: In the game of football (high school football to be exact), which one is more important: superior coaching or superior talent? I think the most important factor is the state a team is located. Say Georgia, for instance. Huge advantage. Do you like that answer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FootballGuy Posted May 30, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 42 minutes ago, noonereal said: I asked you a few times with no direct reply.. This is about Colquitt and the VM upcoming game. What is your point in all this????? I honestly don't understand. Colquitt will play VM, all players and all coaches are part of the equation. You seem to want to deny that. ? Assuming is one of the worst things a person can do. I'm blatantly honest, so if this was about colquitt and vm, I wouldn't have hesitated to put to say that this is about colquitt and vm. And I'm not denying shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FootballGuy Posted May 30, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 Coaching plays a HUGE factor....no doubt. However, I have seen several games where the talent from one team was just too much for the other team with a great coach. Examples: IMG/Grayson, Grayson/Colquitt, Centennial/IMG, Bishop Gorman/Cedar Hill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noonereal Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 Just now, FootballGuy said: Coaching plays a HUGE factor....no doubt. However, I have seen several games where the talent from one team was just too much for the other team with a great coach. Examples: IMG/Grayson, Grayson/Colquitt, Centennial/IMG, Bishop Gorman/Cedar Hill But why do you keep separating the two?????????????? Think of the "team" as 12 players not 11. The coach being the 12th. You seem to be thinking in absolutes, either or's. It's not like that at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aZjimbo Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 29 minutes ago, noonereal said: I still wonder how much he ranked to cause controversy (increase post count) and how much it was just pure disdain for Bosco. Every story he wrote about Bosco in 11 was dripping with slights. I still think Ned was wrong to throw his poll out of Compilation but it does show the level of incompetence his poll showed. Imagine, some folks in KY still believe Trinity* they could have beaten Bosco that year, in spite of their 50 point a game team only scoring 17 vs X. LOL Reminds me of the Caterville cheerleaders last year. How different it is when you play good teams and good programs. Might have been a little of both. I'm not getting into that Trinity discussion because its worn out but with the defense Bosco had in 2011 I'd favor them vs any team. Bottom line they won the comp poll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FootballGuy Posted May 30, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 4 minutes ago, noonereal said: But why do you keep separating the two?????????????? Think of the "team" as 12 players not 11. The coach being the 12th. You seem to be thinking in absolutes, either or's. It's not like that at all. Doesn't work like that, fam. Coaches are the ones who come up with the plan and hope to God that the athletes execute the plan to the fullest. The athletes are the ones who execute the plan. But when it's all said and done, the ball is in the athletes court because it's up to them to do what they need to do in order to succeed. Think of this analogy for coaches and players: Coaching equates to the legislative branch (coaching "making" the game plan) Players equate to the executive branch (players carry out the game plan) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noonereal Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 1 minute ago, FootballGuy said: Doesn't work like that, fam. Coaches are the ones who come up with the plan and hope to God that the athletes execute the plan to the fullest. The athletes are the ones who execute the plan. But when it's all said and done, the ball is in the athletes court because it's up to them to do what they need to do in order to succeed. Think of this analogy for coaches and players: Coaching equates to the legislative branch (coaching "making" the game plan) Players equate to the executive branch (players carry out the game plan) ok, but it's still one government, one team.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FootballGuy Posted May 30, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 13 minutes ago, noonereal said: ok, but it's still one government, one team.... One team? True. Multiple compartments tho, boss man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noonereal Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 1 minute ago, FootballGuy said: One team? True. Multiple compartments tho, boss man. Right!!!!!!!!!! so... do we agree or not? You are confusing the heck out of me.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omaha Vol Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 4 hours ago, noonereal said: Imagine, some folks in KY still believe Trinity* they could have beaten Bosco that year, in spite of their 50 point a game team only scoring 17 vs X. LOL It's not a laughing matter. That Trinity team was badass that year. That would've been a war if they played. St X is always a tough out. Beating them by double digits is still a good win. DBP had their close game against Manatee (granted Manatee was better than St. X that year) and semi tough game with BC. Both teams were on another level that year and were, clearly, the two best teams in the country. As far as this particular thread is concerned, I have to go with coaching over talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legendsofthefall Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 Coaching. Toal did it at all levels including small publics without the large influx of talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPFan1974 Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 Coaching is more important. I witnessed talent all over the field the last few years at South Panola with no direction or discipline. It was embarrassing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJR 04 Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 On 5/30/2017 at 10:45 AM, aZjimbo said: Ask drummer, I also predicted he would not rank Bosco #1. It was his way of saying I'm different. As far as I can remember every other poll had Bosco #1. And then he dropped Bosco from #1 to #6 after a 45-0 win over PC then changed his mind and moved them up to #4. What a firestorm that created at rivals.com at the time. The talent on that team probably will not be produced for a long time in NJ. Sit tight because I got my eye on nunz. He is going deep in his bag for this season. If he gets the two legendary coaches to complement the talent he currently has and is continuing to add to... we may be witnessing the second coming. Phil Sims was up there last week as well. Could he be picking up where he left off with toal and nunz?? I hear that he wanted to build a state of the art football facility at Bosco and the president told him no! He was told he can donate to the school for the school to use as needed, but not for the purpose of football. Allegedly that ticked Phil off leading to his withdrawal of support to the ironmen. Imagine if the gang is getting back together. I'm pretty sure BC would welcome the financial support. This snowball could grow really fast to the avalanche known as BOSCO 2.0 BC currently has 10 high D1 offered kids that I can think off. Keep in mind I don't know many of their kids so there is no telling how many more they have than the 10 I know. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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