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4 minutes ago, BUFORDGAWOLVES said:

Dunno about that, maybe those “whites” in your “bubble”.

Im seeing a lot of empathy and “give a shit” in affluent metro north Atlanta. 
 

Dunno Bormio, dunno. 
 

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It’s an election year.  Mile-wide, inch deep

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49 minutes ago, Bormio said:

Most of the white people protesting don’t give a shit about Breonna Taylor.  You will find that out.  Black people are being used by the Left - once again.

"Used by the left", I don't think so. It's called independent thinking and doing what's right. That's a concept that's often lost in today's society.

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3 minutes ago, ngdawg said:

"Used by the left", I don't think so. It's called independent thinking and doing what's right. That's a concept that's often lost in today's society.

16 year-olds see the world as they want it to be.  Life will provide hard lessons.  But hold on to the optimism as long as you can.  However there is very little that is “independent” about the “woke” movement.  It is becoming coercive indoctrination - and that will be its undoing.

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6 minutes ago, Bormio said:

16 year-olds see the world as they want it to be.  Life will provide hard lessons.  But hold on to the optimism as long as you can.  However there is very little that is “independent” about the “woke” movement.  It is becoming coercive indoctrination - and that will be its undoing.

Coercive indoctrination...I mean, you don't HAVE to support the movement. People have made it clear online that they don't want any memorials or movies for Breonna Taylor: they only want justice. Those who resort to violence are not true supporters of the Black Lives Matter movement. And I don't support any violence.

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6 minutes ago, ngdawg said:

Coercive indoctrination...I mean, you don't HAVE to support the movement. People have made it clear online that they don't want any memorials or movies for Breonna Taylor: they only want justice. Those who resort to violence are not true supporters of the Black Lives Matter movement. And I don't support any violence.

If you are a public figure (and maybe if you are not) and you criticize BLM, the protests or say something like “All Lives Matter”, people want to “cancel” you, see you lose your job, business, social ties etc.  Now you may say it is the right of people to do that.  But that does not make it right, or wise.  It is akin to rule of the mob.  But remember, one of the last heads to fall in the French Revolution was Robespierre’s.

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1 minute ago, Bormio said:

If you are a public figure (and maybe if you are not) and you criticize BLM, the protests or say something like “All Lives Matter”, people want to “cancel” you, see you lose your job, business, social ties etc.  Now you may say it is the right of people to do that.  But that does not make it right, or wise.  It is akin to rule of the mob.  But remember, one of the last heads to fall in the French Revolution was Robespierre’s.

But the optics of criticizing BLM is terrible. It seems as if you're discrediting their right to equality, which they certainly don't currently have. If someone famous were to claim that they were Neo-Nazi, how would you think the public would respond? In the same way, even if you don't seem to care the slightest about equality, just think of the optics of the situation.

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5 minutes ago, ngdawg said:

But the optics of criticizing BLM is terrible. It seems as if you're discrediting their right to equality, which they certainly don't currently have. If someone famous were to claim that they were Neo-Nazi, how would you think the public would respond? In the same way, even if you don't seem to care the slightest about equality, just think of the optics of the situation.

You see, you equate criticism of BLM with being a neo-Nazi.  When you start using the other “N” word, all rational and reasoned discussion goes out the window.  Do they teach the history of the Third Reich in your school anymore?  If not, there are plenty of good books.  Go to the Holocaust Museum in DC.  And stop suggesting that people who criticize BLM are Nazis.  There is a difference between goals and tactics, and if you use offensive tactics, your goals lose their importance.  BLM can be justifiably be criticized on those grounds.  And even if you think you are dead right, you need to learn that some well-meaning, decent people will not always see things as you do.  It is always good to have friendships with people whose politics do not mirror yours.

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1 minute ago, Bormio said:

You see, you equate criticism of BLM with being a neo-Nazi.  When you start using the other “N” word, all rational and reasoned discussion goes out the window.  Do they teach the history of the Third Reich in your school anymore?  If not, there are plenty of good books.  Go to the Holocaust Museum in DC.  And stop suggesting that people who criticize BLM are Nazis.  There is a difference between goals and tactics, and if you use offensive tactics, your goals lose their importance.  BLM can be justifiably be criticized on those grounds.  And even if you think you are dead right, you need to learn that some well-meaning, decent people will not always see things as you do.  It is always good to have friendships with people whose politics do not mirror yours.

Just like Troll, you seem to be misunderstanding me. I gave an example of Neo-Nazis that had no relation to BLM. And yes, I have friends who have different views. What's up with you guys taking everything the wrong way?

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1 minute ago, ngdawg said:

Just like Troll, you seem to be misunderstanding me. I gave an example of Neo-Nazis that had no relation to BLM. And yes, I have friends who have different views. What's up with you guys taking everything the wrong way?

The use of the Nazi analogy is not accidental.  Maybe I can give you a pass, but it is widely used now and designed to paint conservatives as illegitimate.  And if it is such an irrelevant analogy - why use it at all?  Understand that using it makes many people you might be trying to persuade think less of you.

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2 minutes ago, Bormio said:

The use of the Nazi analogy is not accidental.  Maybe I can give you a pass, but it is widely used now and designed to paint conservatives as illegitimate.  And if it is such an irrelevant analogy - why use it at all?  Understand that using it makes many people you might be trying to persuade think less of you.

Same with comparing BLM to Marxism. If I need a pass to supposedly compare conservatives to Neo-Nazis, then how can you guys go freely and accuse BLM of being a Marxist movement? This is a one-way street and it only works in your favor. Not much fairness there.

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Just now, ngdawg said:

Same with comparing BLM to Marxism. If I need a pass to supposedly compare conservatives to Neo-Nazis, then how can you guys go freely and accuse BLM of being a Marxist movement? This is a one-way street and it only works in your favor. Not much fairness there.

I don’t call BLM Marxist.  I don’t think they are.  Clearly many on the Left are becoming socialists though - they admit it.  But BLM has its own issues it espouses.  I think the Left is trying to use them.  I do not even see Antifa as Marxist - they are simply anarchists and quite literally, thugs.  But that is not BLM.

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44 minutes ago, ngdawg said:

you're discrediting their right to equality, which they certainly don't currently have.

 

21 minutes ago, ngdawg said:

Just like Troll, you seem to be misunderstanding me.

We understand you just fine....

you are just and idiot for statements like that.... is all.

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7 minutes ago, Bormio said:

I don’t call BLM Marxist.  I don’t think they are.  Clearly many on the Left are becoming socialists though - they admit it.  But BLM has its own issues it espouses.  I think the Left is trying to use them.  I do not even see Antifa as Marxist - they are simply anarchists and quite literally, thugs.  But that is not BLM.

A lot of Republicans claim they are Marxists. And yet, the slightest comparison given to conservatives is bashed. I didn't understand that. Thanks for the clarification.

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14 minutes ago, ngdawg said:

Same with comparing BLM to Marxism. If I need a pass to supposedly compare conservatives to Neo-Nazis, then how can you guys go freely and accuse BLM of being a Marxist movement? This is a one-way street and it only works in your favor. Not much fairness there.

PSSST. Looks like you are STILL choking on that problem of yours...you know ...of seeing people as individuals...

 

 

PS: the blaming it on "others" is a nice touch...😝

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2 minutes ago, Troll said:

PSSST. Looks like you are STILL choking on that problem of yours...you know ...of seeing people as individuals...

 

 

PS: the blaming it on "others" is a nice touch...😝

 

1 minute ago, Troll said:

maybe by the time you graduate you'll get it?

...then again

maybe not for you 😝

Imagine making sense...I bet you can't relate.

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23 minutes ago, ngdawg said:

A lot of Republicans a co-founder claims she is Marxist. And yet, the slightest comparison given to conservatives is bashed. I didn't understand that. Thanks for the clarification.<<FIFY

For your clarification....why you get accused ....

https://nypost.com/2020/06/25/blm-co-founder-describes-herself-as-trained-marxist/

of course people will either see that person as an individual or the founder of a 'movement'...or both

Most people aren't so stupid...some are...

Too bad you can't figure out the difference.

 

PS: now tell everyone how confused you are again 🤣

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5 minutes ago, Troll said:

For your clarification....why you get accused ....

https://nypost.com/2020/06/25/blm-co-founder-describes-herself-as-trained-marxist/

of course people will either see that person as an individual or the founder of a 'movement'...or both

Most people aren't so stupid...some are...

Too bad you can't figure out the difference.

 

PS: now tell everyone how confused you are again 🤣

But just because one person considers themselves a Marxist doesn't mean everyone is. And in that same sense, I don't consider all conservatives to be Neo-Nazis, as Bormio understood. 

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1 minute ago, ngdawg said:

But just because one person considers themselves a Marxist doesn't mean everyone is. And in that same sense, I don't consider all conservatives to be Neo-Nazis, as Bormio understood. 

well I don't think everyone is either...

just because the leadership, direction, and guidance as self expressed is.

Not all followers do their due diligence to find out what they 'support'...

some people are just suckers for that kind of stuff.

 

PS: heard young people are especially vulnerable ...you know...as some causes  say a lot of other cool stuff too...👌

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16 hours ago, ngdawg said:

A lot of Republicans claim they are Marxists. And yet, the slightest comparison given to conservatives is bashed. I didn't understand that. Thanks for the clarification.

 

"We actually do have an ideological frame. Myself and Alicia [Garza] in particular, we're trained organizers. We are trained Marxists. We are super versed on ideological theories." — BLM co-founder Patrisse Cullors, July 22, 2015.

"Stay in the streets! The system is throwing every diversionary and de-mobilizing tactic at us. We are fighting to end policing and prisons as a system which necessitates fighting white supremacist capitalist heteropatriarchal imperialism. Vet your comrades and stay focused." — BLM Chicago, Twitter, June 16, 2020.

"We are anti-capitalist. We believe and understand that Black people will never achieve liberation under the current global racialized capitalist system." — Movement for Black Lives (M4BL), of which BLM is a part, June 5, 2020.

"We are living in political moment where for the first time in a long time we are talking about alternatives to capitalism." — Alicia Garza, BLM co-founder, March 2015.

"Anti-racism is anti-capitalist, and vice versa. There are no two ways around it. To be an anti-racist must demand a complete rejection of business as usual. An end to racism demands transformation of the global political-economic setup." — Joshua Virasami, BLM UK, June 8, 2020.

 

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