ECHS05 Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 Notbigdaddybloom made a comment in another thread about OOS wins over End of Year Top 5 teams. Well there are very, very few of those from anybody. But lets take a look at OOS wins over End of Year Top 10 teams.... btw... heres Notbigdaddyblooms comment... Quote NOR might be trolling, but I agree with the premise, Ga has done nothing but lose to top 5 OOS teams...by a lot! Now I'll sit back and listen to the Hoover/Plant argument for the next two pages. When the state of GA stays within a td, not even win, with a legitimate end of year top 5 OOS team, then we will talk. 55-0; 27-7 You cant even get the scores right... And usually Top 5 teams dont have a loss on their resume, thats why they are Top 5. Ok... starting in 2001, because going back further than that is difficult and 2001 is the turn of the century...Ill look at all the Top 10 teams that ended the year with losses from 2001-2016, and more importantly, who beat them. Used USAToday for 2001-2011, HSFB100 for 2012-2015, and HSFBA.com for 2016... the HSFB100 2011-2015 is available at vype.com/nationalhsfootball ... and HSFBA.com was used in 2016 bc its becoming a very reputable poll. In 2001, Valdosta GA defeated #7 Lincoln FL 31-21. In 2002, #4 Louisville Trinity KY defeated #9 Elder OH 44-20. In 2003, #22 Warren Central IN defeated #6 Elder OH 45-20. In 2004, there were no Top 10 OOS losses. In 2005, there were no Top 10 OOS losses. In 2006, there were no Top 10 OOS losses. In 2007, there were no Top 10 OOS losses. In 2008, there were no Top 10 OoS losses. In 2009, #7 Hoover AL defeated #8 Camden Co. GA 30-27. In 2010, Camden Co. GA defeated #8 Miami Central FL 45-42. In 2011, #3 Armwood FL defeated #5 Bishop Gorman NV 20-17.... St. Thomas Aquinas FL defeated #7 De La Salle CA 30-6 ---- Now Using The HSFB100 ---- In 2012, Grayson GA defeated #8 Miami Central FL 35-3 ... In 2013, there were no Top 10 OOS losses. In 2014, IMG Academy USA defeated #8 St. Peter's Prep NJ 36-20 ... Bergen Catholic NJ defeated #9 St. Edward OH 14-10 In 2015, Euless Trinity TX defeated #4 De La Salle CA 26-21 .... St. Joseph Regional NJ defeated #9 St. Edward OH 22-20 ---- Using Highschoolfootballamerica.com for 2016, because its become the most respectable poll out there in many eyes ---- In 2016, #1 Bishop Gorman NV defeated #2 St. John Bosco CA 35-20 ... #3 IMG Academy USA defeated #4 Grayson GA 26-7 ... #1 Bishop Gorman NV defeated #6 St. Thomas Aquinas FL 25-25 ... #3 IMG Academy USA defeated #10 Corona Centennial CA 50-49 ======= So "Notbigdaddybloom" ... lets take a look at your comments... Heres State Records in games where End of Year Top 10 teams were defeated... IMG will count as its own state... Alabama: 1-0 California: 0-4 Florida: 2-4 Georgia: 3-2 IMG Academy: 3-0 Indiana: 1-0 Kentucky: 1-0 Nevada: 2-1 New Jersey: 2-1 Ohio: 0-4 Texas: 1-0 In reality... Since the turn of the century... Georgia has as many wins over End of Year Top 10 teams as ANY OTHER STATE. In fact GA is tied with IMG Academy for the most wins over End of Year Top 10 teams. Guess how many California has? 0. They are 0-4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECHS05 Posted June 5, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 I wouldve added 2000... but Midland Lee was the only Top 10 team to lose, and I cant find the results for their 2000 season. I believe I remember Caj saying a Louisiana team beat them, I just cant remember who... West Monroe maybe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECHS05 Posted June 5, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 Ranked by # of wins... and then by least amount of losses if tied for # of wins 1. IMG Academy USA: 3-0 2. Georgia: 3-2 3(tie). Nevada & New Jersey: 2-1 5. Florida: 2-4 6(tie). Alabama, Indiana, Kentucky, & Texas : 1-0 10(tie). California & Ohio: 0-4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotBigdaddybloom Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 "Ga has done nothing but lose to top 5 OOS teams...by a lot!" When the state of GA stays within a td, not even win, with a legitimate end of year top 5 OOS team, then we will talk 55-0; 27-7 I did notice Norcross getting norcrossed isn't in your scenarios. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECHS05 Posted June 5, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 14 minutes ago, NotBigdaddybloom said: "Ga has done nothing but lose to top 5 OOS teams...by a lot!" When the state of GA stays within a td, not even win, with a legitimate end of year top 5 OOS team, then we will talk 55-0; 27-7 I did notice Norcross getting norcrossed isn't in your scenarios. These are actual wins over End of Year Top 10 OOS teams. Top 5 pretty rare... theres a reason those teams are top 5. Youll notice only 4 times in the last 16 years has a End of Year Top 5 team had a loss to an OOS team. And never was 1 of those 4 winners a California team. You want me to include all the OOS wins by Top 5 teams to show you it happens alot? Whats more credible, and what you referenced, is OOS wins over teams that finished among the top teams in the country. Georgia has as many of those as any state in the country and 3 more than California. And considering Cali hasnt beaten a End of Year Top 10 team this century, id keep your mouth shut. Again, you didnt even get 1 of the scores correct you cited at the end of your post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECHS05 Posted June 5, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 Its pathetic , its like you Cali guys think youre going around crushing all these elite OOS teams when in reality, you dont have a single win over a end of year Top 10 OOS team in the last 17 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotBigdaddybloom Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 Your last two legitimate Top 5 games ended at 82-7, not in your favor. Centennials last 3 Top 5 games ended not in our favor by a total of 4 points. Lost by 1 to BG, Lost by 1 to the same IMG that smoked Grayson and SJB by 2. Im not asking for your teams to beat a Top 5 team, just to be competitive so they might have a legitimate chance at being considered elite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ararar Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 Why 3 different polls? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECHS05 Posted June 5, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 7 hours ago, NotBigdaddybloom said: Your last two legitimate Top 5 games ended at 82-7, not in your favor. Centennials last 3 Top 5 games ended not in our favor by a total of 4 points. Lost by 1 to BG, Lost by 1 to the same IMG that smoked Grayson and SJB by 2. Im not asking for your teams to beat a Top 5 team, just to be competitive so they might have a legitimate chance at being considered elite. Too many oblivious people that think GA HSFB started when BTW played Norcross. IMG did not smoke Grayson. And you didnt even post the right score for that game. IMG and Grayson was a good game. You can look at the 26-7 score or you can look at the fact a team with a brand new HC, new star players, and a halfway new offensive system committed 4 turnovers to lose a game vs the most star studded team in 'Merica... That had already played a real game, while Grayson had not. Aside from all that, the actual game was good.. Watching the game is important. Grayson held IMG to its 2nd lowest point output all season besides its last game, and held them to their lowest total yards all season.... Less than 130 yards both passing and rushing.. A game that was 10-7 with 4:30 remaining in the 3rd, Grayson had the ball driving on IMGs 30 and the Center snapped the ball over the QBs head which led to Grayson turning it over. You wont see another game all season where IMGs offense couldnt do a damn thing but run it with their QB up the middle behind their big OL all game. IMG made it 16-7 at the end of the 3rd/start of 4th. 19-7 with 9:30 left... and the last TD that made it 26-7 was a garbage time TD at the very end of the game. Now Norcross got their ass beat. No denying that. They simply werent use to all the praise being heaped on them and came in too big-headed , got behind early because of turnovers and gave up. But the point of this post was that there is more than just these games. The fact that Georgia has actually beaten 3 OOS teams that finished Top 10 in a time period where California has beaten 0. 0. At some points, facts have to stop being ignored for the sake of personal want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECHS05 Posted June 5, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 7 hours ago, Ararar said: Why 3 different polls? I wouldve went with the HSFB100 earlier but the only years on their website is 2011-2015... and HSFBA.com is just a favorite of mine and quite a few others, it wouldnt have change much for 2016 if I went back to USAT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noonereal Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 10 hours ago, ECHS05 said: Alabama: 1-0 California: 0-4 Florida: 2-4 Georgia: 3-2 IMG Academy: 3-0 Indiana: 1-0 Kentucky: 1-0 Nevada: 2-1 New Jersey: 2-1 Ohio: 0-4 Texas: 1-0 IMG is a separate state? Grow the F up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaReb Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 10 hours ago, ECHS05 said: I wouldve added 2000... but Midland Lee was the only Top 10 team to lose, and I cant find the results for their 2000 season. I believe I remember Caj saying a Louisiana team beat them, I just cant remember who... West Monroe maybe? West Monroe beat Midland Lee 36-8 in 2000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJR89 Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 although not top ten ...#14 Demathas beat down by St Joes in 2013 has to be a win in any of these discussions.....there were loaded with D1 talent and got embarrassed with a running clock. 35-0 at halftime. 42-14 Final........SJR Mauled them in every phase of the game. In that same year.....SJR did the same to BC 49-6......ouch 14. DeMatha (Hyattsville, Md.) - Full previewAverage rank: 19.67MaxPreps Xcellent 25: 20PrepNation: 17USA Today: 15Rivals: 15Student Sports: NRMaxPreps Computer: 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thc6795 Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 13 hours ago, NotBigdaddybloom said: "Ga has done nothing but lose to top 5 OOS teams...by a lot!" When the state of GA stays within a td, not even win, with a legitimate end of year top 5 OOS team, then we will talk 55-0; 27-7 I did notice Norcross getting norcrossed isn't in your scenarios. ha ha your back? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotBigdaddybloom Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 5 hours ago, ECHS05 said: At some points, facts have to stop being ignored for the sake of personal want. Indeed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECHS05 Posted June 5, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 3 hours ago, noonereal said: IMG is a separate state? Grow the F up. So add IMG to Florida? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
954gator Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 43 minutes ago, ECHS05 said: So add IMG to Florida? Naah. I think it's good for reference. Maybe put it in ( ), IE florida 2-4 (5-4 w/IMg). IMG will skew the numbers and make Fl look like gods OOS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
954gator Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 The reality is the two states arguing in this thread make up the majority of the players on IMG's roster lol. (Ga and Ca) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zulu1128 Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 ECH is easily the hardest working man in show business. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotBigdaddybloom Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 I fact check 1 thing with a cross reference and in 2012 Miami Central ended up 23. 21. (21) Jordan (Sandy, Utah), 12-1-1Season complete. Class 5A champion.22. (22) Whitehaven (Memphis, Tenn.), 15-0Season complete. Class 6A champion.23. (23) Central (Miami), 12-2Season complete. Class 6A champion.24. (24) Narbonne (Harbor City, Calif.), 14-1Season complete. 25. (25) Archbishop Moeller (Cincinnati), 12-3Season complete. Division 1 champion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotBigdaddybloom Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 Here we can see that Miami Centrals average ranking that year was 17 and some change. There are lies, damn lies and statistics... 12. Central (Miami)Average rank: 17.6Xcellent 25: 23ESPN: 17PrepNation: 16USA Today: 24Rivals: 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotBigdaddybloom Posted June 5, 2017 Report Share Posted June 5, 2017 A good win nonetheless, but the statement was about Top 5. I consider Elite, the Top 5...I believe they are the measuring stick. BG, SJB, MD, IMG, maybe Dematha. And lets at least stay in this decade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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