BobbySanchez Posted June 22, 2017 Report Share Posted June 22, 2017 I happen to live around the O.C but I never went to Mater Dei but my unbiased opinion is they look really good and I've seen almost all the SoCal teams in Spring and Mater Dei's is just a notch above everybody else. Maybe SJB and Poly? They remind me a lot of the old Manatee teams that duked it out with St.Thomas Aquinas and Don Bosco Prep. Especially with those red uniforms, can't wait to see them in pads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbySanchez Posted June 22, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 22, 2017 It's like you can see the spirit of the old Manatee teams from that red color. Speaking of which, Mater Dei's two national games (Bergen Catholic and Bishop Gorman) bare resemblance to Manatee's 2011 Schedule with the two national games with Good Counsel and Don Bosco Prep when both teams were Top 10 teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxchoboian Posted June 22, 2017 Report Share Posted June 22, 2017 4 hours ago, BobbySanchez said: It's like you can see the spirit of the old Manatee teams from that red color. Speaking of which, Mater Dei's two national games (Bergen Catholic and Bishop Gorman) bare resemblance to Manatee's 2011 Schedule with the two national games with Good Counsel and Don Bosco Prep when both teams were Top 10 teams. Is Bergen Prep really a national Top 10 team? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxchoboian Posted June 22, 2017 Report Share Posted June 22, 2017 1 minute ago, GardenStateBaller said: If BC starts out 3-0, they deserve to be ranked high early on. Yes, I think that goes for a lot of teams. Particularly the North Jersey privates who have scheduled aggressively OOS in the last 5 or so years. But a team is not Top 10 now based on who they will play in the future. That would be the Pops method of giving credit to DLS for their strength of schedule now because they will most likely play a highly ranked team in the last game of the year. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Stache Posted June 22, 2017 Report Share Posted June 22, 2017 6 hours ago, BobbySanchez said: I happen to live around the O.C but I never went to Mater Dei but my unbiased opinion is they look really good and I've seen almost all the SoCal teams in Spring and Mater Dei's is just a notch above everybody else. Maybe SJB and Poly? They remind me a lot of the old Manatee teams that duked it out with St.Thomas Aquinas and Don Bosco Prep. Especially with those red uniforms, can't wait to see them in pads. That was our freshmen "B" squad you saw. The Varsity has been training in Thousand Oaks with the Cowboys. Well have our Once in a generation 1/2 shirt picture day/ BBQ on Aug.1. Bring the wife and kids. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
World Citizen Posted June 22, 2017 Report Share Posted June 22, 2017 2 hours ago, maxchoboian said: Yes, I think that goes for a lot of teams. Particularly the North Jersey privates who have scheduled aggressively OOS in the last 5 or so years. But a team is not Top 10 now based on who they will play in the future. That would be the Pops method of giving credit to DLS for their strength of schedule now because they will most likely play a highly ranked team in the last game of the year. You can just pencil that one in. We need that last game because NorCal doesn't get the credit for being the best in football. I'm not sure why. ? We have DLS, the devil, something something valley, and Del Oro. ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pops Posted June 22, 2017 Report Share Posted June 22, 2017 10 hours ago, maxchoboian said: Yes, I think that goes for a lot of teams. Particularly the North Jersey privates who have scheduled aggressively OOS in the last 5 or so years. But a team is not Top 10 now based on who they will play in the future. That would be the Pops method of giving credit to DLS for their strength of schedule now because they will most likely play a highly ranked team in the last game of the year. Is there anything more predictable than that liberty I take? DLS has played a top 10 national team (in week 17) 10 years in a row 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxchoboian Posted June 23, 2017 Report Share Posted June 23, 2017 1 hour ago, Pops said: Is there anything more predictable than that liberty I take? DLS has played a top 10 national team (in week 17) 10 years in a row Still can't boost a team during a season for strength of schedule by including a game not on their schedule, even if it is highly probable they will play it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealCAJ Posted June 23, 2017 Report Share Posted June 23, 2017 1 hour ago, Pops said: DLS has played a top 10 national team (in week 17) 10 years in a row Bullshit....flat out lie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealCAJ Posted June 23, 2017 Report Share Posted June 23, 2017 15 minutes ago, maxchoboian said: Still can't boost a team during a season for strength of schedule by including a game not on their schedule, even if it is highly probable they will play it. Of course you can't...sad part is in CA you can almost do it though unlike any other state...nothing changes. Probably what pop is thinking. DLS baby seals norcal (given) and plays the best from the South (one of 3 teams) who more than likely will be highly ranked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECHS05 Posted June 23, 2017 Report Share Posted June 23, 2017 1 hour ago, Pops said: Is there anything more predictable than that liberty I take? DLS has played a top 10 national team (in week 17) 10 years in a row 2016 - St. John Bosco ... yes 2015 - Corona Centennial ... yes (Cen10 is a shitty matchup vs DLS) 2014 - Corona Centennial ... borderline, but ok sure(again, Cen10 matches up vs DLS poorly) 2013 - St. John Bosco ... yes 2012 - Corona Centennial ... your chain breaks here... 2011 - Westlake ... Lmao 2010 - Servite ... lololololololol 2009 - Crenshaw ... just stfu already Theres no point in going on.. your claim is simply outrageous 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steeler01 Posted June 23, 2017 Report Share Posted June 23, 2017 1 hour ago, Pops said: Is there anything more predictable than that liberty I take? DLS has played a top 10 national team (in week 17) 10 years in a row 2009 Crenshaw 2010 Servite 2011 Westlake No way any of the above teams were top 10 teams nationally. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hardhit1 Posted June 23, 2017 Report Share Posted June 23, 2017 37 minutes ago, maxchoboian said: Still can't boost a team during a season for strength of schedule by including a game not on their schedule, even if it is highly probable they will play it. That's true and Calcraps has them at #16 or so and they beat a top 10 team and leap frog 15 teams last week of the season LOL does not happen in any other poll in the world. Grade school, high school, college or any pro sports Calcrap a legend in some minds ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steeler01 Posted June 23, 2017 Report Share Posted June 23, 2017 3 minutes ago, ECHS05 said: 2016 - St. John Bosco ... yes 2015 - Corona Centennial ... yes (Cen10 is a shitty matchup vs DLS) 2014 - Corona Centennial ... borderline, but ok sure(again, Cen10 matches up vs DLS poorly) 2013 - St. John Bosco ... yes 2012 - Corona Centennial ... your chain breaks here... 2011 - Westlake ... Lmao 2010 - Servite ... lololololololol 2009 - Crenshaw ... just stfu already Theres no point in going on.. your claim is simply outrageous 2012 Centennial is borderline as well, but I'd give him Centennial because they beat Vista Murrieta(last time Vista Murrieta was legit) and Narbonne back to back (Upland wasn't bad either) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pops Posted June 23, 2017 Report Share Posted June 23, 2017 28 minutes ago, maxchoboian said: Still can't boost a team during a season for strength of schedule by including a game not on their schedule, even if it is highly probable they will play it. Completely agree however, I don't think I ever implied the notion that their current SOS ought to be boosted i think the reference was usually in the context of discussing the merits of a schedule (in which case, IMHO, a projection of your playoffs ought to be included) or in the hypothetical "if they go undefeated" teams like BG, BTW, JC, STA (some if those teams in those discussions) have no choice but to put their marquee games early, whereas others (TX great example) can project something at the back end (and is relevant in mid season discussions of MNC etc worthiness during the season) 2014 had a good example of that backfiring for one NorCal team -- DLS and Folsom both finished top 5 nationally. The NorCal open only existed for 2 years and DLS beat Folsom handily in both games, but 2014 was always the year Folsom was pointing to (brownings senior year + Jonah Williams who started as a frosh for bama last year transferred in -- they went 16-0 with 16 running clocks including a near 10 TD win in D1 championship. Credible word has it they called DLS for a regular season game (why, I'm not sure) and DLS said "we'll see you in December anyway, lets each get someone else". The 2014 NorCal championship that was never played wasn't cancelled until late August so neither team could change plans. If it had been kept, NorCal would have had a top 5 matchup with winner playing pac5 champ, national top 10 CC for MNC next week. As it was DLS won computers but both teams finished behind BG, who didn't play a top 600 team after September. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pops Posted June 23, 2017 Report Share Posted June 23, 2017 19 minutes ago, TheRealCAJ said: Of course you can't...sad part is in CA you can almost do it though unlike any other state...nothing changes. Probably what pop is thinking. DLS baby seals norcal (given) and plays the best from the South (one of 3 teams) who more than likely will be highly ranked. DLS's worst schedule in history was better than JC '12s MNC thats indisputable so if you are making the point that JC '12 was laughable unworthy then I agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealCAJ Posted June 23, 2017 Report Share Posted June 23, 2017 1 minute ago, Pops said: DLS's worst schedule in history was better than JC '12s MNC thats indisputable so if you are making the point that JC '12 was laughable unworthy then I agree That's NOT true either, but what does that have to do with you pulling a trump yet again? Why must you continually lie on this forum? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pops Posted June 23, 2017 Report Share Posted June 23, 2017 11 minutes ago, hardhit1 said: That's true and Calcraps has them at #16 or so and they beat a top 10 team and leap frog 15 teams last week of the season LOL does not happen in any other poll in the world. Grade school, high school, college or any pro sports Calcrap a legend in some minds ??? You've brought that leap up numerous times -- don't think anyone more bothered by it than you Think if it in this context -- DLS passed 1/10th of 1% of high school teams for beating the dominant #1 team in the country which added "best win in country for season" to the algorithm resume CP is not incorrect to do that rather humans are incorrect in doing things like USAT did in 2010 after #3 DLS crushed top 10 Servite 48-8, the same day #1 Trinity lost, when they awarded #2 South Panola, who had been idle 3 weeks, their MNC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxchoboian Posted June 23, 2017 Report Share Posted June 23, 2017 I think we've established that Mater Dei playing St. Bergen isn't considered a game pitting national Top 10 teams against one another. An interesting game, but not 2 Top 10 teams. Perhaps Bergen will end up there, but not yet. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hardhit1 Posted June 23, 2017 Report Share Posted June 23, 2017 1 minute ago, Pops said: You've brought that leap up numerous times -- don't think anyone more bothered by it than you Think if it in this context -- DLS passed 1/10th of 1% of high school teams for beating the dominant #1 team in the country which added "best win in country for season" to the algorithm resume CP is not incorrect to do that rather humans are incorrect in doing things like USAT did in 2010 after #3 DLS crushed top 10 Servite 48-8, the same day #1 Trinity lost, when they awarded #2 South Panola, who had been idle 3 weeks, their MNC I bring up facts good night Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pops Posted June 23, 2017 Report Share Posted June 23, 2017 2 minutes ago, TheRealCAJ said: That's NOT true either, but what does that have to do with you pulling a trump yet again? Why must you continually lie on this forum? What's not true? JC's schedule Stupidest MNC in history that was thankfully corrected by both rivals and CP's comp poll that named dls funny thing is Your justification was based on roster with 7 or 8 D1 RBs. Where r those guys now -- I think last update, there were only a couple that were still playing a couple of years into school. Last season, DLS's non roster seniors scored the first TD in this year's Super Bowl, captained USC's defense, and made all-Ivy LB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pops Posted June 23, 2017 Report Share Posted June 23, 2017 6 minutes ago, maxchoboian said: I think we've established that Mater Dei playing St. Bergen isn't considered a game pitting national Top 10 teams against one another. An interesting game, but not 2 Top 10 teams. Perhaps Bergen will end up there, but not yet. ? youre killing me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pops Posted June 23, 2017 Report Share Posted June 23, 2017 5 minutes ago, hardhit1 said: I bring up facts good night I'm not disputing your facts -- it's your interpretation and indignation I'm questioning Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hardhit1 Posted June 23, 2017 Report Share Posted June 23, 2017 1 minute ago, Pops said: I'm not disputing your facts -- it's your interpretation and indignation I'm questioning We both agree 2010 was a cluster F with Rivals in awarding SP the MNC i am referring to I believe 2015 award my opinion just that simple good night Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pops Posted June 23, 2017 Report Share Posted June 23, 2017 30 minutes ago, steeler01 said: 2009 Crenshaw 2010 Servite 2011 Westlake No way any of the above teams were top 10 teams nationally. Let's be clear what I've said 1,000x all if those teams were top 10 in one or more national polls at game time -- that's all I've ever said although sometimes ( it usually) I fail to add that footnote no team that loses their last game is likely to wind up in top 10 of any poll or opinion, although Servite '10 stayed top 10 at CP on strength of their undefeated pac5 championship run including beating them top 10 MV by 14 a week earlier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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