Atticus Finch Posted April 23, 2021 Report Share Posted April 23, 2021 1 hour ago, badrouter said: And that a kid that can rush for 20 touchdowns on 36 carries-including two against STA- may have a future as a fullback or power back. Every single Lakeland state championship team had a guy like that. Plug-and-play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted April 23, 2021 Report Share Posted April 23, 2021 23 minutes ago, badrouter said: I'm talking primarily about where he was as a senior, Wingo was more decorated as a senior, too. Gatorade Player of the Year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted April 23, 2021 Report Share Posted April 23, 2021 24 minutes ago, badrouter said: Point is, he's nowhere near the prospect Wingo is. But, do yourself a favor and rewatch that 2018 title game. I've done so 237 times. Martin had a bigger impact on that game than Wingo did. In 2011, Camden Krohn had a bigger impact in the Cooper City-STA game than Joey Bosa. Must mean something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted April 23, 2021 Author Report Share Posted April 23, 2021 16 hours ago, badrouter said: The National Prep Poll/Prepnation was about as respected as any other in those days. They had Lakeland #1 in 2006. Couldn't find the full poll, but others can corroborate that they were used a lot back then. Past NPP champs Both 2006 Lakeland and 2006 SLC had teams ranked on the top 25 All time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted April 23, 2021 Report Share Posted April 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, Sammyswordsman said: Both 2006 Lakeland and 2006 SLC had teams ranked on the top 25 All time I have the 2006 National Prep Poll somewhere and can post it later. Lakeland won USA Today in 2005 and National Prep Poll in 2006. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badrouter Posted April 23, 2021 Report Share Posted April 23, 2021 26 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said: Somehow it escapes you that a slow linebacker isn't a great college prospect. 🤷♂️ FIFY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badrouter Posted April 23, 2021 Report Share Posted April 23, 2021 23 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said: In 2011, Camden Krohn had a bigger impact in the Cooper City-STA game than Joey Bosa. Must mean something. Why yes! It absolutely DID mean something! It had a lot to do with Cooper City pulling off the upset! And the fact that they pulled off that upset tells us a lot about the quality of those teams in that particular season. You seem to be catching on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted April 23, 2021 Report Share Posted April 23, 2021 3 minutes ago, badrouter said: Why yes! It absolutely DID mean something! It had a lot to do with Cooper City pulling off the upset! But your conclusion should be that there's no evidence that Joey Bosa is better than him. That's how you've been framing your silly Jaharie Martin narrative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted April 23, 2021 Author Report Share Posted April 23, 2021 1 hour ago, Nolebull813 said: How can you go undefeated for the three straight years and win 2 national championships and not be on this list? Because no one nominated whatever team you are referring to. Mr. Cryptic 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badrouter Posted April 23, 2021 Report Share Posted April 23, 2021 4 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said: But your conclusion should be that there's no evidence that Joey Bosa is better than him. That's how you've been framing your silly Jaharie Martin narrative. A possible conclusion-dependent upon more than the one game, the full season- is that the CC kid may have been the better player that night. The point is, I assume that, if we tracked post high school careers for the STA players and the CC players in that game, STA's players almost certainly had a grotesque advantage in terms of accolades, dollars earned etc. It hasn't turned out to be remotely close. STA probably had dozens of players go on to college careers, and a handful now in the NFL. CC might not have ad any, idk. BUT, we can't use that information to go back and retroactively state that STA was significantly better than CC, even though the resumes of their players after aren't close. The two teams split a season series, STA's 27-10 win is hardly a cremation, and is balanced out by losing the other game. Evaluate STA's entire 2011 season, and they just weren't very good that year. Yet, it wouldn't surprise me at all if that 2011 team produced a more impressive group of college/NFL players than anyone in the country! You are what you are, not what your individual parts end up being years later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted April 23, 2021 Author Report Share Posted April 23, 2021 1 hour ago, FootballGuy said: 1. Why didn't you start at 2012 for Allen? Didn't they go undefeted that year? 2. Bishop Gorman had no relevant wins in 15? You sure about that? 3. BTW in 2014 went undefeated and escaped with a 6 point win vs Bingham. Bingham probably shoulda won that game tbh... Allen is changed to 2012-2014 BG - Questionable DBP, Bingham, and Chandler were the marquee wins in 2015. In the context of this discussion, those are not relevant wins. BTW - Thanks for the info Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted April 23, 2021 Author Report Share Posted April 23, 2021 Team Year Record Nat Rank Best Ever Top 25 Allen 2012-'14 47-1 #4, #1, #1 2013 DLS 2001-03 37-0 #1: #1: #1 2001 Don Bosco 2009-11 36-0 #1; #2: #1 2009; 2011 Lakeland 2004-06 43-1 #18, #1, #1/2 2005; 2006 Mater Dei 2017-19 42-2 #1: #1: #2 2017 Moeller 1975-77 36-0 #1; #1; #1 1976 SLC 2004-06 48-0 #1;#2; #1/2 2005; 2006 STA 2008-10 43-1 #1: ?: #1 2008; 2010 St. Ignatius 1993-95 41-1 #1; #22; #1/2 1993; 1995 In addition to being ranked #1 in Multiple years during their runs, this list also updates which of the teams have been mentioned as best of all time Top 25 or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted April 23, 2021 Report Share Posted April 23, 2021 42 minutes ago, badrouter said: You are what you are, not what your individual parts end up being years later. And what STA was, was a lot better than Cooper City. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedZone Posted April 23, 2021 Report Share Posted April 23, 2021 1 hour ago, Sammyswordsman said: DLS 2001-03 37-0 #1: #1: #1 2001 In 2002 Mission Viejo was probably the best team in CA......played better CA teams. Mission Viejo is 2-2 vs DLS since 2004, actually beat DLS in 2004. Imagine that. 1 De La Salle (Concord, CA) North Coast Bay Valley 4A 2 13-0 5-0 (1st) 12-0 6-0 4-0 12-0 12-0 52.1 22.3 WINS: #18 San Leandro (CA) (42-14), #40 Poly (Long Beach, CA) (28-7), #42 Hayward (CA) (47-7), #45 St. Francis (Mountain View, CA) (14-0), #123 Antioch (CA) (62-13), #148 La Costa Canyon (Carlsbad, CA) (56-27), #152 Pittsburg (CA) (65-6), #166 Freedom (Oakley, CA) (46-7), #211 Ygnacio Valley (Concord, CA) (35-0), #238 Mitty (San Jose, CA) (24-0), #400 Liberty (Brentwood, CA) (48-0), #447 Clayton Valley (Concord, CA) (42-0), St. Louis (Honolulu, HI) (31-21), LOSSES: none 2 Mission Viejo (CA) Southern South Coast 2 2 14-0 5-0 (1st) 14-0 9-0 5-0 14-0 14-0 48.9 22.5 WINS: #4 Hart [William S.] (Newhall, CA) (10-6), #19 Mater Dei (Santa Ana, CA) (21-19), #32 San Clemente (CA) (49-14), #43 Claremont (CA) (26-7), #77 Canyon (Canyon Country, CA) (48-14), #96 Tustin (CA) (17-0), #146 Diamond Bar (CA) (28-14), #178 Crenshaw (Los Angeles, CA) (31-6), #223 Fountain Valley (CA) (48-0), #245 Trabuco Hills (Mission Viejo, CA) (21-14), #313 El Toro (Lake Forest, CA) (37-0), #353 Marina (Huntington Beach, CA) (10-7), #704 Capistrano Valley (Mission Viejo, CA) (62-7), #738 Dana Hills (Dana Point, CA) (54-12), LOSSES: none In 2003 CaliforniaPreps had Westlake #1 and DLS #2....why? Westlake played better CA teams. 1 Westlake (Westlake Village, CA) Southern Marmonte IV 14-0 7-0 (1st) 11-0 81.8 37.3 99-64-1 WINS: #19 St. Bonaventure (Ventura, CA) (28-6), #32 Hart [William S.] (Newhall, CA) (25-24), #76 Notre Dame (Sherman Oaks, CA) (31-7), #142 Agoura (CA) (24-0), #215 Moorpark (CA) (49-14), #215 Moorpark (CA) (38-7), #809 San Marcos (Santa Barbara, CA) (47-14), #1154 Redondo (Redondo Beach, CA) (27-3), #1216 Simi Valley (CA) (58-21), #2344 Royal (Simi Valley, CA) (43-0), #2749 Newbury Park (CA) (41-14), #3207 Thousand Oaks (CA) (49-7), #5138 Santa Paula (CA) (42-0), #9159 Calabasas (CA) (59-0), LOSSES: none 2 De La Salle (Concord, CA) North Coast Bay Valley 4A 13-0 0-0 6-0 76.7 34.2 97-54-2 WINS: #136 Evangel Christian Academy (Shreveport, LA) (27-10), #175 Pittsburg (CA) (26-0), #175 Pittsburg (CA) (39-0), #191 Palma (Salinas, CA) (35-0), #234 St. Francis (Mountain View, CA) (39-8), #692 Foothill (Pleasanton, CA) (48-0), #826 La Costa Canyon (Carlsbad, CA) (28-7), #956 Monte Vista (Danville, CA) (48-13), #1105 Castro Valley (CA) (49-7), #1909 Mitty (San Jose, CA) (47-0), #3457 Ygnacio Valley (Concord, CA) (35-13), #5380 Deer Valley (Antioch, CA) (47-0), #8250 Freedom (Oakley, CA) (63-7), LOSSES: none 2001-DLS beat CA #2 Poly THIS = 3 MNCs at USA Today. DLS those 3 years didn't play ANYONE in California besides Poly and Mater Dei......Mater Dei lost 8 games those 2 years. DLS is a product of the USA Today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted April 23, 2021 Author Report Share Posted April 23, 2021 Hindsight is 2020. @RedZone MV was a lower division Ca team in 2001, 2002. Not on the radar during scheduling season. West Lake was lower division then as well Your fake news just makes this process more difficult than it already is. Be a helper not a jokester Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norcalnut Posted April 23, 2021 Report Share Posted April 23, 2021 12 minutes ago, Sammyswordsman said: Hindsight is 2020. @RedZone MV was a lower division Ca team in 2001, 2002. Not on the radar during scheduling season. West Lake was lower division then as well Your fake news just makes this process more difficult than it already is. Be a helper not a jokester But Redzone is here to school everybody on what a good high school team is. He the preeminent authority on the subject and every analyst, coach (pro, college and HS) are wrong. Thank you for enlightening the country on the mistakes that were made in the past. You the man👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedZone Posted April 23, 2021 Report Share Posted April 23, 2021 18 minutes ago, Sammyswordsman said: Hindsight is 2020. @RedZone MV was a lower division Ca team in 2001, 2002. Not on the radar during scheduling season. West Lake was lower division then as well Your fake news just makes this process more difficult than it already is. Be a helper not a jokester The teams, schedules, and numbers don't lie, samuel... EVERYONE can see it no matter how hard you try to sell it. Do the right thing. DLS is a nice little Tier 2 team on "your" list which is obviously turning out to be slanted. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolebull813 Posted April 23, 2021 Report Share Posted April 23, 2021 2 hours ago, Sammyswordsman said: Because no one nominated whatever team you are referring to. Mr. Cryptic I did!! Miami High 1941-1943 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted April 23, 2021 Author Report Share Posted April 23, 2021 14 minutes ago, Nolebull813 said: I did!! Miami High 1941-1943 The Pre-historic Runs will be open for nominations after the modern 50 year era (1971-2021) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolebull813 Posted April 23, 2021 Report Share Posted April 23, 2021 3 minutes ago, Sammyswordsman said: The Pre-historic Runs will be open for nominations after the modern 50 year era (1971-2021) Ok put it in the bank. Undefeated all 3 years. They beat 13 out of state opponents from Alabama, Georgia, Tennessee, North Carolina, Virginia and Maryland. mostly top teams from their state. Baltimore sent their top champion to play in a postseason bowl and Miami trounced them 26-0. North Carolina sent their champ one year and Miami sent them home with a 45-0 butt drilling. Miami went 28-0 with 2 national championships. Beat state champs In postseason bowls all 3 years. 14-0 vs Florida teams 6-0 vs Georgia teams 3-0 vs North Carolina 2-0 vs Virginia 1-0 vs Alabama 1-0 vs Tennessee 1-0 vs Maryland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted April 23, 2021 Author Report Share Posted April 23, 2021 1 minute ago, Nolebull813 said: Ok put it in the bank. Undefeated all 3 years. They beat 13 out of state opponents from Alabama, Georgia, Tennessee, North Carolina, Virginia and Maryland. mostly top teams from their state. Baltimore sent their top champion to play in a postseason bowl and Miami trounced them 26-0. North Carolina sent their champ one year and Miami sent them home with a 45-0 butt drilling. Miami went 28-0 with 2 national championships. Beat state champs In postseason bowls all 3 years. 14-0 vs Florida teams 6-0 vs Georgia teams 3-0 vs North Carolina 2-0 vs Virginia 1-0 vs Alabama 1-0 vs Tennessee 1-0 vs Maryland Good stuff. You should start a thread on that 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badrouter Posted April 23, 2021 Report Share Posted April 23, 2021 2 hours ago, Sammyswordsman said: Team Year Record Nat Rank Best Ever Top 25 Allen 2012-'14 47-1 #4, #1, #1 2013 DLS 2001-03 37-0 #1: #1: #1 2001 Don Bosco 2009-11 36-0 #1; #2: #1 2009; 2011 Lakeland 2004-06 43-1 #18, #1, #1/2 2005; 2006 Mater Dei 2017-19 42-2 #1: #1: #2 2017 Moeller 1975-77 36-0 #1; #1; #1 1976 SLC 2004-06 48-0 #1;#2; #1/2 2005; 2006 STA 2008-10 43-1 #1: ?: #1 2008; 2010 St. Ignatius 1993-95 41-1 #1; #22; #1/2 1993; 1995 In addition to being ranked #1 in Multiple years during their runs, this list also updates which of the teams have been mentioned as best of all time Top 25 or so. I think you're trolling me here. Lakeland was 45-0 those years 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolebull813 Posted April 23, 2021 Report Share Posted April 23, 2021 3 minutes ago, Sammyswordsman said: Good stuff. You should start a thread on that I don’t steal. This is your idea. I’ll let you shine. ☀️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badrouter Posted April 23, 2021 Report Share Posted April 23, 2021 1 hour ago, Atticus Finch said: And what STA was, was a lot better than Cooper City. You play two games vs. someone, lose one 21-16 and win the other 27-10, the *best* you can claim is to possibly be a little bit better. Anything else is pure fantasy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badrouter Posted April 23, 2021 Report Share Posted April 23, 2021 35 minutes ago, Nolebull813 said: I did!! Miami High 1941-1943 A requirement should be to have at least one board member who was alive and paying attention during the years in question. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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