Calpreps should just rank California Teams...

[RedZone]

..and forget about trying to give a "number" to teams from 50 states.

Gunter, TX is not the 258th best team in the nation.......Woodlawn (Baton Rouge) is.

The Top 1000 is filled with Gunters.....

258	Gunter (TX)   team preview   trend	Texas	3A-2 Region II District 8	3A-2	9-0	5-0 (1st)	5-0	49.6	11.7	41-39
WINS: #1752 Pilot Point (TX) (59-6), #2379 Whitesboro (TX) (28-6), #2621 Bells (TX) (41-14), #2779 Sunnyvale (TX) (43-7), #2867 Pottsboro (TX) (51-7), #2932 Leonard (TX) (55-12), #7990 Whitewright (TX) (56-0), #9336 Lone Oak (TX) (77-15), #9792 Blue Ridge (TX) (49-14), LOSSES: none

[RedZone]

Really?

Gunter, TX is ranked higher at Calpreps than these teams.

265	Dillard (Fort Lauderdale, FL)   team preview   trend	Florida	7A District 14	7A	8-1	3-1 (2nd)	3-1	49.5	14.9	40-35
WINS: #467 Deerfield Beach (FL) (21-0), #804 Miramar (FL) (15-7), #2160 Plantation (FL) (41-40), #7812 Hallandale (FL) (62-0), #8085 Anderson [Boyd] (Lauderdale Lakes, FL) (45-0), #8188 Cooper City (FL) (50-0), #8198 Nova (Davie, FL) (62-0), #9958 South Plantation (Plantation, FL) (66-0), LOSSES: #53 Aquinas [St. Thomas] (Fort Lauderdale, FL) (23-13)

 

272	Edgewater (Orlando, FL)   team preview   trend	Florida	7A District 6	7A	8-1	4-0 (1st)	4-0	49.4	27.9	40-41
WINS: #283 Jones (Orlando, FL) (52-49), #391 Apopka (FL) (16-7), #990 Winter Park (FL) (41-35), #2689 Wekiva (Apopka, FL) (28-13), #2955 Bishop Moore (Orlando, FL) (49-6), #4292 Ridge (Davenport, FL) (43-14), #4632 Winter Haven (FL) (44-14), #9122 East Ridge (Clermont, FL) (63-0), LOSSES: #34 Venice (FL) (41-7)

 

278	Gaffney (SC)   team preview   trend	South Carolina	AAAAA Region 3	AAAAA	10-0	4-0 (1st)	8-0	49.2	21.8	42-48
WINS: #956 Spartanburg (SC) (31-12), #966 Gray Collegiate Academy (West Columbia, SC) (38-35), #1478 Byrnes [James F.] (Duncan, SC) (45-15), #1555 Mallard Creek (Charlotte, NC) (38-14), #1805 Dorman (Roebuck, SC) (42-35), #2327 Clover (SC) (21-3), #3006 Nation Ford (Fort Mill, SC) (49-28), #3747 Summerville (SC) (35-7), #6437 Boiling Springs (Spartanburg, SC) (34-0), #7804 Fort Mill (SC) (48-14), LOSSES: none

 

290	Berkeley Prep (Tampa, FL)   team preview   trend	Florida	3A Region 3	3A	8-0	3-0 (1st)	3-0	48.8	8.6	27-43
WINS: #699 Clearwater Central Catholic (Clearwater, FL) (35-21), #1451 Tampa Catholic (Tampa, FL) (38-0), #1817 Newman [Isidore] (New Orleans, LA) (49-24), #2360 Calvary Christian (Clearwater, FL) (28-26), #4984 Victory Christian Academy (Lakeland, FL) (30-0), #8914 Robinson (Tampa, FL) (36-0), #11515 Freedom (Tampa, FL) (47-7), #11766 Brandon (FL) (56-0), LOSSES: none

 

296	Karr [Edna] (New Orleans, LA)   team preview   trend	Louisiana	4A District 10	4A	7-0	2-0 (1st)	4-0	48.6	22	27-21
WINS: #691 Curtis [John] (River Ridge, LA) (33-19), #1099 Easton [Warren] (New Orleans, LA) (20-18), #1479 Scotlandville (Baton Rouge, LA) (48-33), #2318 St. James (LA) (56-14), #4058 Landry-Walker (New Orleans, LA) (50-7), #4770 Belle Chasse (LA) (27-0), #6632 Kennedy [John F.] (New Orleans, LA) (62-0), LOSSES: none

I could go on all night.

Stop the madness!

 

[RedZone]

3A Jim Ned, TX @ #525.........

525	Ned [Jim] (Tuscola, TX)   team preview   trend	Texas	3A-1 Region I District 3	3A-1	9-0	4-0 (1st)	4-0	42.9	11.5	43-36
WINS: #2173 Cisco (TX) (28-14), #2568 Wall (TX) (37-20), #2615 Sweetwater (TX) (56-14), #2964 Early (TX) (48-7), #3281 Snyder (TX) (22-15), #4128 Breckenridge (TX) (35-12), #4388 Eastland (TX) (48-20), #5889 Ballinger (TX) (42-7), #12560 Texas Leadership Charter Academy (San Angelo, TX) (70-0), LOSSES: none

[Atticus Finch]

10 hours ago, RedZone said:

Gunter, TX is not the 258th best team in the nation.......Woodlawn (Baton Rouge) is.

Leave it to RedZone to make a good point and then ruin it in the very same sentence.

[RedZone]

15 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said:

Leave it to RedZone to make a good point and then ruin it in the very same sentence.

It was frustrated sarcasm, Finch.

Take away all the Gunters and tiny teams from Iowa, Kansas and etc.....5A Woodlawn moves up 500 or more spots. 

 

[Atticus Finch]

1 minute ago, RedZone said:

It was frustrated sarcasm, Finch.

Take away all the Gunters and tiny teams from Iowa, Kansas and etc.....5A Woodlawn moves up 500 or more spots. 

But they would have to move up 1,300 spots to be 258th.

Woodlawn is trash. Their win is not a reflection on them. It's a reflection on Baton Rouge Catholic.

[Nolebull813]

3 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said:

But they would have to move up 1,300 spots to be 258th.

Woodlawn is trash. Their win is not a reflection on them. It's a reflection on Baton Rouge Catholic.

I tried to tell him but he won’t listen. 

[RedZone]

28 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said:

But they would have to move up 1,300 spots to be 258th.

Woodlawn is trash. Their win is not a reflection on them. It's a reflection on Baton Rouge Catholic.

Woodlawn is 4-4 and #1512 at Calpreps.....Woodlawn has played the toughest schedule in Louisiana this year so far.

 

Calpreps gives "numbers" to 15,000? teams in 50 States.

If you break down the Calpreps Top 2000 into tiers of 500....Woodlawn would almost be a Tier 3 team.

Gunter, TX being in Tier 1....

 

Dillard, a team you are high on in Florida beat #2160 Plantation 41-40...we will call Plantation a Tier 4 team. 

Which one of those teams is trash, Dillard or Plantation?

Dillard (Fort Lauderdale, FL)   team preview   trend	Florida	7A District 14	7A	8-1	3-1 (2nd)	3-1	49.5	14.9	40-35
WINS: #467 Deerfield Beach (FL) (21-0), #804 Miramar (FL) (15-7), #2160 Plantation (FL) (41-40), #7812 Hallandale (FL) (62-0), #8085 Anderson [Boyd] (Lauderdale Lakes, FL) (45-0), #8188 Cooper City (FL) (50-0), #8198 Nova (Davie, FL) (62-0), #9958 South Plantation (Plantation, FL) (66-0), LOSSES: #53 Aquinas [St. Thomas] (Fort Lauderdale, FL) (23-13)

You really don't need to answer....save yourself some time this morning.

[RedZone]

15 minutes ago, RedZone said:

Woodlawn is 4-4 and #1512 at Calpreps.....Woodlawn has played the toughest schedule in Louisiana this year so far.

 

Calpreps gives "numbers" to 15,000? teams in 50 States.

If you break down the Calpreps Top 2000 into tiers of 500....Woodlawn would almost be a Tier 3 team.

Gunter, TX being in Tier 1....

 

Dillard, a team you are high on in Florida beat #2160 Plantation 41-40...we will call Plantation a Tier 4 team. 

Which one of those teams is trash, Dillard or Plantation?

Dillard (Fort Lauderdale, FL)   team preview   trend	Florida	7A District 14	7A	8-1	3-1 (2nd)	3-1	49.5	14.9	40-35
WINS: #467 Deerfield Beach (FL) (21-0), #804 Miramar (FL) (15-7), #2160 Plantation (FL) (41-40), #7812 Hallandale (FL) (62-0), #8085 Anderson [Boyd] (Lauderdale Lakes, FL) (45-0), #8188 Cooper City (FL) (50-0), #8198 Nova (Davie, FL) (62-0), #9958 South Plantation (Plantation, FL) (66-0), LOSSES: #53 Aquinas [St. Thomas] (Fort Lauderdale, FL) (23-13)

You really don't need to answer....save yourself some time this morning.

You think 6A Plantation who is 6-2 this year and #2160 at Calpreps could handle Gunter and a 1000 or more of the Calpreps 2000?

Plantation (FL)   team preview   trend	Florida	6A District 15	6A	6-2	3-1 (2nd)	4-1	25.2	3.1	30-38
WINS: #4721 South Miami (Miami, FL) (44-7), #5186 Piper (Sunrise, FL) (42-19), #8085 Anderson [Boyd] (Lauderdale Lakes, FL) (51-8), #9413 Hollywood Hills (Hollywood, FL) (40-0), #10294 Everglades (Miramar, FL) (61-0), #12662 Northeast (Oakland Park, FL) (48-0), LOSSES: #265 Dillard (Fort Lauderdale, FL) (41-40), #1862 Coconut Creek (FL) (27-7)

[RedZone]

6 minutes ago, RedZone said:

You think 6A Plantation who is 6-2 this year and #2160 at Calpreps could handle Gunter and a 1000 or more of the Calpreps 2000?

Plantation (FL)   team preview   trend	Florida	6A District 15	6A	6-2	3-1 (2nd)	4-1	25.2	3.1	30-38
WINS: #4721 South Miami (Miami, FL) (44-7), #5186 Piper (Sunrise, FL) (42-19), #8085 Anderson [Boyd] (Lauderdale Lakes, FL) (51-8), #9413 Hollywood Hills (Hollywood, FL) (40-0), #10294 Everglades (Miramar, FL) (61-0), #12662 Northeast (Oakland Park, FL) (48-0), LOSSES: #265 Dillard (Fort Lauderdale, FL) (41-40), #1862 Coconut Creek (FL) (27-7)

You think Plantation, FL could handle Calpreps #323 Harlan, Iowa? 

323	Harlan (IA)   team preview   trend	Iowa	3A District 6	3A	10-0	5-0 (1st)	8-0	47.6	7.1	49-47
WINS: #756 Lewis Central (Council Bluffs, IA) (36-29), #1087 Sergeant Bluff-Luton (Sergeant Bluff, IA) (55-26), #2742 A-D-M (Adel, IA) (58-30), #3425 Ballard (Huxley, IA) (45-0), #4526 Grinnell (IA) (56-7), #4888 Creston (IA) (42-0), #5222 Glenwood (IA) (41-13), #9603 Atlantic (IA) (55-7), #12155 Knoxville (IA) (76-0), #12991 Saydel (Des Moines, IA) (64-0), LOSSES: none

 

I'm taking trash Woodlawn, La and trash Plantation, FL......but that's just me.

[Atticus Finch]

33 minutes ago, RedZone said:

Woodlawn is 4-4 and #1512 at Calpreps.....Woodlawn has played the toughest schedule in Louisiana this year so far..

Who cares?

They lost by 3 touchdowns to U-Lab. They lost by 4 touchdowns to West Monroe.

Add that to their other two losses and the fact that they only beat St. Amant by 7.

They haven't won a single game by more than 13 points.

 

[Atticus Finch]

37 minutes ago, RedZone said:

Dillard, a team you are high on in Florida beat #2160 Plantation 41-40...we will call Plantation a Tier 4 team. 

Which one of those teams is trash, Dillard or Plantation?

RedZone once again ignoring an entire body of work and instead focusing on a one game sample size.

Plantation is also better than Woodlawn.

Your point? Other than changing the subject?

[Atticus Finch]

39 minutes ago, RedZone said:

You really don't need to answer....save yourself some time this morning.

Why would I save myself the time?

Shooting down your silly claims about a crappy Louisiana team takes no time at all.

You'll just change the subject anyway.

[Atticus Finch]

25 minutes ago, RedZone said:

You think 6A Plantation who is 6-2 this year and #2160 at Calpreps could handle Gunter and a 1000 or more of the Calpreps 2000?

Plantation (FL)   team preview   trend	Florida	6A District 15	6A	6-2	3-1 (2nd)	4-1	25.2	3.1	30-38
WINS: #4721 South Miami (Miami, FL) (44-7), #5186 Piper (Sunrise, FL) (42-19), #8085 Anderson [Boyd] (Lauderdale Lakes, FL) (51-8), #9413 Hollywood Hills (Hollywood, FL) (40-0), #10294 Everglades (Miramar, FL) (61-0), #12662 Northeast (Oakland Park, FL) (48-0), LOSSES: #265 Dillard (Fort Lauderdale, FL) (41-40), #1862 Coconut Creek (FL) (27-7)

Yes, but the main point here is that they would handle Woodlawn.

[steeler01]

The biggest problem with calpreps trying to rank Texas teams in their system, is the connectivity issue.  The small division teams, have almost no connectivity to 6A teams.

 

Calpreps does a good job ranking teams from the same division regardless of state. 

[RedZone]

Anyways, Calpreps has absolutely NO idea where the Tradition Rich Football Hotspots of this nation are located.

I'm going to clue Capreps and their computer.....

it ain't the cornfields of Iowa, Kansas and etc.

It ain't the deserts of Texas and New Mexico.

It ain't the Lobster rich NE states.

and so on!

 

[RedZone]

5 minutes ago, steeler01 said:

Calpreps does a good job ranking teams from the same division regardless of state.

You don't need a computer for that..

[steeler01]

Just now, RedZone said:

You don't need a computer for that..

Some people do

[RedZone]

2 minutes ago, steeler01 said:

Some people do

Those people should  NOT post here....

[Atticus Finch]

You need a computer for the teams that nobody knows anything about. Those 20% of teams/games that even informed people don't really know about.

[Atticus Finch]

I think Massey is better because it doesn't seem have to the built-in assumptions that calpreps does.

[RedZone]

19 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said:

Yes, but the main point here is that they would handle Woodlawn.

Well, maybe. Calpreps has the "opinion" Plantation wins by a point vs Woodlawn which is odd being Woodlawn is ranked 600 spots higher at Calpreps. You do that math,,,

neutral field
[2021] Plantation (FL) 31, [2021] Woodlawn (Baton Rouge, LA) 30

[Atticus Finch]

2 minutes ago, RedZone said:

Well, maybe. Calpreps has the "opinion" Plantation wins by a point vs Woodlawn which is odd being Woodlawn is ranked 600 spots higher at Calpreps. You do that math,,,

Plantation lost almost a month of the season to COVID. Their only other loss was the first game back.

Massey has Plantation ahead of Woodlawn. I don't know what calpreps is doing with them.

[dntn31]

3 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said:

I think Massey is better because it doesn't seem have to the built-in assumptions that calpreps does.

Massey does use the previous 2 years of results in "seeding" his rankings for the current year, which he claims eventually go away once there's enough data for the current year. This isn't dissimilar to the claims made by CalPreps, the only difference is in how they establish their initial seed data for the current year. CalPreps is a bit more hands on with the top teams by plugging in leaving and returning talent, etc.

I think people tend to lose sight of the forest through the trees with these computer rankings. They never claim to be perfect. They provide a single ranking for all ~15K schools in the country which no other human service currently provides. In addition to that, they provide an (supposedly - hard to validate unless you can audit the proprietary codebase) objective, emotionless counterpoint to the human rankings out there. This is a good thing, because we all know that humans have their own biases and shortcomings.

[RedZone]

If Edna Karr or similar team from Florida, Georgia/anywhere played a game IN Iowa..... as soon as they got off the bus they would cancel that game for whatever reasons. I promise you!

 

SO, don't pass out  "numbers" to these teams from these states.......cancel these states or something.