Atticus Finch Posted November 5, 2021 Report Share Posted November 5, 2021 10 minutes ago, dntn31 said: 1) neither STA nor MD won an MNC in 2019. There are only "arguments" for both teams - but nothing tangible. If I was as dishonest and opportunistic as you I'd claim that bogus Geico poll that appeared at the end of that season. But I'm good with merely claiming that SJB's MNC is completely bogus and is the product of rigged computers and hopeless biased humans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dntn31 Posted November 5, 2021 Report Share Posted November 5, 2021 2 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said: This is not the same as being in the MNC discussion. Manifestly so. Right, because the perceived best team in the country would never be in an MNC discussions. They were "in the discussion", because people felt they were the best team despite losing to SJB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dntn31 Posted November 5, 2021 Report Share Posted November 5, 2021 2 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said: If I was as dishonest and opportunistic as you ad hominem 2 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said: I'd claim that bogus Geico poll that appeared at the end of that season. Good call on not doing so. 3 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said: But I'm good with merely claiming that SJB's MNC is completely bogus and is the product of rigged computers and hopeless biased humans. I'm good with that as well. You are entitled to your own "rigged" opinions. 17 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said: It just keeps getting worse for you. I'm sure that the fewer than 5 people who suffer through reading all of this will be swayed by this extremely persuasive argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted November 5, 2021 Report Share Posted November 5, 2021 7 minutes ago, dntn31 said: Travelling across the country is not an adverse circumstance? They played a road game. They had all off-season to prepare. They returned their star QB, several key players and their entire coaching staff (as far as I know). You totally whiffed on what's adverse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted November 5, 2021 Report Share Posted November 5, 2021 13 minutes ago, dntn31 said: I'm sure the Centennial, AZ guys would love to know that. Unless you played on that Monday, fired your offensive line coach on Tuesday and then flew to Arizona on Wednesday it's not even remotely similar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dntn31 Posted November 5, 2021 Report Share Posted November 5, 2021 1 minute ago, Atticus Finch said: They played a road game. 👇 18 hours ago, Atticus Finch said: I guess we'll just wait to see who wins the rematch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted November 5, 2021 Report Share Posted November 5, 2021 14 minutes ago, dntn31 said: It wouldn't do you any good to deny it. It's pretty transparent. Which is why I didn't. You're just trying to change the subject because the actual topic was not going well for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dntn31 Posted November 5, 2021 Report Share Posted November 5, 2021 Just now, Atticus Finch said: You're just trying to change the subject *proceeds to post 8 times in rapid succession on tangential topics* It's too bad Gish Galloping isn't as effective on an online forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted November 5, 2021 Report Share Posted November 5, 2021 12 minutes ago, dntn31 said: 👇 Which, as I already said, is not the same as being in the MNC discussion. 👇 14 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said: This is not the same as being in the MNC discussion. Manifestly so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dntn31 Posted November 5, 2021 Report Share Posted November 5, 2021 Just now, Atticus Finch said: Which, as I already said, is not the same as being in the MNC discussion. 👇 They were in the discussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted November 5, 2021 Report Share Posted November 5, 2021 15 minutes ago, dntn31 said: Right, because the perceived best team in the country would never be in an MNC discussions. The perceived best team would *not* be in the MNC discussion because they didn't win their section title, didn't play in a bowl game and finished #3. Again, elementary stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted November 5, 2021 Report Share Posted November 5, 2021 12 minutes ago, dntn31 said: They were "in the discussion", because people felt they were the best team despite losing to SJB. They were not in the discussion because they lost in the equivalent of the semifinal. Same reason why 2009 STA wasn't in the discussion. But I'm a reasonable person so I understand that. So Mater Dei underperformed in 2019? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted November 5, 2021 Report Share Posted November 5, 2021 11 minutes ago, dntn31 said: I'm sure that the fewer than 5 people who suffer through reading all of this will be swayed by this extremely persuasive argument. That would constitute 5 more people than those that would be convinced by your nonexistent arguments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dntn31 Posted November 5, 2021 Report Share Posted November 5, 2021 1 minute ago, Atticus Finch said: So Mater Dei underperformed in 2019? Of course they did, as an STA fan I would think you'd be better able to recognize underperformance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted November 5, 2021 Report Share Posted November 5, 2021 5 minutes ago, dntn31 said: *proceeds to post 8 times in rapid succession on tangential topics* It's too bad Gish Galloping isn't as effective on an online forum. I'm responding directly to what you're posting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted November 5, 2021 Report Share Posted November 5, 2021 4 minutes ago, dntn31 said: They were in the discussion. Just because you keep saying it doesn't make it true. I think I read that somewhere? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam_MD_Alum Posted November 5, 2021 Report Share Posted November 5, 2021 5 hours ago, Atticus Finch said: The computers *are* designed in a way that objectively benefits SoCal schools. This is not even controversial. The media is composed of human beings who are most definitely biased. When lost for any kind of refutation you pull out the strawmen. Classic. You sound like JC law student programmed to argue that everything is nothing vs. finding common ground for a solution. Good job building an impenetrable VICTIM matrix. Re: MNC’s, there’s 1) total, 2) past and 3) present, with the latter holding the most weight for today and immediate future (i.e., relevancy/recency)., which hopefully you can find common ground for debate (I.e., not a polls a victim or or # of NFL player spiel). 1. TOTAL MNC’s MD= 5*(4) |SJB=2 | STA=2**(3) includes any/all national media polls and human coaches polls) *don’t really count 2020 spring for MD, so maybe it’s 4 MNCs **STA should’ve had a piece of 2019 title Net-Net - not much of an argument here about legacy, MD is simply on a different level vs STA, but will give nod over SJB . 2. RECENT: SJB 2019 vs STA 2019* Objectively think it’s a tie, and feel like I’m being reasonable/fair here 3. Current/Future. MD is #1 in ANY/ALL National Polls PERIOD SJB - loss is to MD | STA - loss to Jesuit Its not even a debate here - own up to this and be a man. This is not STA’s year, be humble and honored your still part of the convo with MD. And I watched the STA Bosco game, kinda reminded me of your loss to Jesuit where the better team loss. Your forum name suggests you may have read Ayn Rand, so I assume you’re familiar with the quote. “Contradictions do not exist. Whenever you think you are facing a contradiction, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dntn31 Posted November 5, 2021 Report Share Posted November 5, 2021 Just now, Atticus Finch said: Just because you keep saying it doesn't make it true. Hey, we can definitely agree on something here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted November 5, 2021 Report Share Posted November 5, 2021 2 minutes ago, dntn31 said: Of course they did, as an STA fan I would think you'd be better able to recognize underperformance. I'm honored that the best program in the country for 10+ years could be considered an underperformer. I'm failing to see what argument, if any, you'd have to being better than them despite zero commensurate achievements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dntn31 Posted November 5, 2021 Report Share Posted November 5, 2021 1 minute ago, Atticus Finch said: I'm failing to see what argument, if any, you'd have to being better than them despite zero commensurate achievements. I've listed many already in this thread. The only response you have for them is that they are "rigged" because they don't support your position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted November 5, 2021 Report Share Posted November 5, 2021 7 minutes ago, Adam_MD_Alum said: You sound like JC law student programmed to argue that everything is nothing vs. finding common ground for a solution. There is no common ground on this with the California people. They will refuse to acknowledge that much of their reputation is based on patently absurd computer ratings and even more absurd media narratives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted November 5, 2021 Report Share Posted November 5, 2021 9 minutes ago, Adam_MD_Alum said: which hopefully you can find common ground for debate (I.e., not a polls a victim or or # of NFL player spiel). Translation: Hopefully you'll willfully abandon devastating arguments for my position because I don't have any recourse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam_MD_Alum Posted November 5, 2021 Report Share Posted November 5, 2021 1 minute ago, Atticus Finch said: There is no common ground on this with the California people. They will refuse to acknowledge that much of their reputation is based on patently absurd computer ratings and even more absurd media narratives. Make your case than dude, with logic. it’s 2+2=3 or sky is purple. Without common ground there can be no debate, so until I see that, talking to you about MNCs is a waste of my MFT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted November 5, 2021 Report Share Posted November 5, 2021 12 minutes ago, Adam_MD_Alum said: 1. TOTAL MNC’s MD= 5*(4) |SJB=2 | STA=2**(3) includes any/all national media polls and human coaches polls) *don’t really count 2020 spring for MD, so maybe it’s 4 MNCs **STA should’ve had a piece of 2019 title Net-Net - not much of an argument here about legacy, MD is simply on a different level vs STA, but will give not over SJB . If you have more national championships than state championships then the former claims are absurd. There was probably a lot of strong-arming and politicking jus to get STA a top 5 ranking in 1992. In other words, there's not much that can be done to overcome name recognition and media narratives. So you're argument is basically that since Mater Dei benefitted more from media narratives in the 1990s then they're a better program. That's certainly a position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayTheGame Posted November 5, 2021 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2021 I always see people give MD/SJB a hard time for "ducking" IMG but how come STA doesn't play IMG when they're right in their backyard and could take a bus drive? Florida didn't ban STA from playing them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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