RedZone Posted May 9, 2022 Report Share Posted May 9, 2022 29 minutes ago, RedZone said: Some things we do know are: 1-President steps down 2-AD terminated 3-"bodies" was played on said day 4-mater dei football coach makes a few very stupid statements If ALL that adds up to a HUGE mater dei win, so be it. Left off a fact. 5-the bully in the "bodies episode" was actually a fat kid who barely even gets garbage time. That was probably a key element of the case... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedZone Posted May 9, 2022 Report Share Posted May 9, 2022 21 minutes ago, Bodysurf said: It has always been a standard practice that if any kid is suspended at MD from playing sports, the school does not grant that student to have immediate eligibility if they transfer to another school. Which brings up this very serious question. Why did mater dei NOT follow standard practice in this "bodies case"? I think we know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The Colonel Posted May 9, 2022 Report Share Posted May 9, 2022 3 minutes ago, res ipsa loquitur said: Further, assuming plaintiff doesn’t give up his case or it isn’t settled for some nominal amount, he can still pursue a case for “simple negligence.” Thus, he can still try to prove to a jury that MD more likely than not did not act reasonably in either (1) preventing him from fighting or (2) in providing sufficient medical care. I always thought #2 is where he has a case…especially since the former AD corroborated the lack of immediate medical care in her deposition. Would be interesting to hear what the trainer has to say about this. Also, phone records on when the parents were notified would be interesting. I think MD will settle, but I don’t think it will be for a nominal amount. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawgGoneIt Posted May 9, 2022 Report Share Posted May 9, 2022 36 minutes ago, res ipsa loquitur said: There is no counter suit. And I doubt that there will ever be one. Rather, plaintiff improperly withheld damning evidence that proved much of what has been posted on here (and is apparently accepted as fact by some of you even today) to be a lie. Next month, MD is seeking sanctions equal to the cost associated with obtaining that evidence: a little under $7K. Similarly, as you all might remember, plaintiff argued a few months ago that MD improperly sought to prevent the former AD’s depo. Plaintiff similarly sought sanctions for the cost of obtaining an order to have the former AD deposed. Plaintiff did not get that money though because the claim that the AD’s depo was being blocked was a total lie amplified by the media. Rather, MD won its argument that the depo was properly delayed until all counsel were available as originally agreed by the parties. (Plaintiff had sought to take the depo when MD’s counsel was traveling outside the country and wouldn’t be able to attend). Further, assuming plaintiff doesn’t give up his case or it isn’t settled for some nominal amount, he can still pursue a case for “simple negligence.” Thus, he can still try to prove to a jury that MD more likely than not did not act reasonably in either (1) preventing him from fighting or (2) providing sufficient medical care. The claims that plaintiff was hazed or retaliated against are effectively dead through—as a legal matter. I was just going off of your post where you said MD was poised to do something along the lines of get paid rather than pay or whatever. Fair enough on the last part. Does not mean there isn't or wasn't hazing. Just that this particular legal team that the parents hired was unable to break through the shell. Kind of like when the cops go question other people in a bad neighborhood. Usually you get "Idk. I never saw anything. Etc." I say, whether you guys will admit it or not, better do some housekeeping around there as it pertains to bodies and hazing in general. I fully believe that it happened. It happens at a lot of places and isn't unique to MD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The Colonel Posted May 9, 2022 Report Share Posted May 9, 2022 …but when was the trainer brought in to treat the plaintiff? The injuries were serious enough to require immediate treatment (facial lacerations, broken nose, likely concussion). When were the plaintiffs parents notified of the injuries and situation? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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HawgGoneIt Posted May 9, 2022 Report Share Posted May 9, 2022 12 minutes ago, res ipsa loquitur said: Fair enough re your opinions. But, one quibble: plaintiff's counsel is arguably the top litigation boutique in Orange County. Plaintiff's parent's are likely paying his attorneys around $1000 per hour. If they couldn't prove hazing, it's unlike anyone could. If nobody talks, you're completely correct. Nobody could. What I'm saying is, to me, Mater Dei looks like a "bad neighborhood" where, hazing is likely happening, and, nobody that actually knows or has seen it, will talk. Don't be a bad neighborhood. Get it cleaned up. You got by this time. Likely because neither kid involved is in the "in" crowd. The popular kid gets slapped around next time and the story could be different. Very difficult to control kids. Just putting your fingers in your ears and turning a blind eye because you managed to avoid major settlement or payout probably isnt the best course of action. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeaShells21 Posted May 9, 2022 Report Share Posted May 9, 2022 3 hours ago, RedZone said: I'm sure had I grilled/pressed him even harder the kid who issued the whooping would not only have been a fatty, but a momma's boy, egg head, and totally irrelevant at mater dei......a real loser in the community! Could we not make fun of the egg heads and leave them out of this? We’re going to be the ones to elevate society into the next tier of innovation and exploration one day. Please and thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedZone Posted May 9, 2022 Report Share Posted May 9, 2022 1 hour ago, res ipsa loquitur said: Fair enough re your opinions. But, one quibble: plaintiff's counsel is arguably the top litigation boutique in Orange County. Plaintiff's parent's are likely paying his attorneys around $1000 per hour. If they couldn't prove hazing, it's unlikely that anyone could. Who would that Legal Counsel be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RedZone Posted May 9, 2022 Report Share Posted May 9, 2022 17 minutes ago, RedZone said: Who would that Legal Counsel be? I see...... https://www.fightforsurvivors.com/major-lawsuit-against-mater-dei-high-school-for-hazing-by-football-team/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Colonel Posted May 9, 2022 Report Share Posted May 9, 2022 1 hour ago, res ipsa loquitur said: He walked up to trainer tent and received immediate treatment (there’s a video and apparently it was within seconds). Re the other facts, they are not available in any of the public filings so far as, again, this case is generally under seal. Have you seen the video? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The Colonel Posted May 9, 2022 Report Share Posted May 9, 2022 Where was the private security team before and after the fight? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Cossacks Posted May 10, 2022 Report Share Posted May 10, 2022 1 hour ago, The Colonel said: Where was the private security team before and after the fight? That was one question I had. If there was before they should be fired if they haven’t been already. If so after, not an admission, but definitely an inference that MD know of some issues or in layman’s terms they are now covering their ass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodysurf Posted May 10, 2022 Report Share Posted May 10, 2022 5 hours ago, RedZone said: Which brings up this very serious question. Why did mater dei NOT follow standard practice in this "bodies case"? I think we know. What ‘standard practice’ should have been followed? Standard practice is to punish students that fight. And that happened! MD suspended the students and the one player missed the season. Regarding calling for medical care, MD f’d up there and it should have been called. I have always said from Day 1 that it was unacceptable and whoever gave instruction to withhold immediate medical attention needs to be fired. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Colonel Posted May 10, 2022 Report Share Posted May 10, 2022 36 minutes ago, res ipsa loquitur said: Not sure. I share only what I know from court documents and (on a few occasions) personal knowledge. Also worth nothing that there is is private security throughout campus just for the students generally. MD simply paid and posted additional security outside the locker room, per the former AD’s testimony. Why was additional security for football players necessary? I doubt the decision to pay for additional security personnel just for football players was anything but “simple”. I appreciate your responses… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Colonel Posted May 10, 2022 Report Share Posted May 10, 2022 18 minutes ago, Cossacks said: That was one question I had. If there was before they should be fired if they haven’t been already. If so after, not an admission, but definitely an inference that MD know of some issues or in layman’s terms they are now covering their ass. Also, why didn’t security at least escort the plaintiff to the trainer? It’s been said the video shows plaintiff jogging to the trainer to get medical treatment. Does the video show any security personnel in the vicinity? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bodysurf Posted May 10, 2022 Report Share Posted May 10, 2022 4 hours ago, res ipsa loquitur said: Her testimony that supported #2 claimed she saw plaintiff staggering down the stairs to the trainer, that she spoke to plaintiff and his speech was slurred, and that she saw an MD official intervene and prevent others from calling 911. None of this was true (hence, the statement MD released regarding the former AD's testimony).. Isn’t that perjury? I realize you are giving her the benefit of the doubt, but I don’t buy the ‘false memory’ excuse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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