Trump's world....

[DBP66]

1 hour ago, concha said:

Dimwit66 Makes 10,482nd Post in Last 5 Years Hoping They'll Get Orange Man THIS TIME!

 

you know he got a pass when he was Pres....a 4 year pass...now the walls are closing in....he keeps losing in the courts ....and now he has to testify in NY on 1-7-22....🤡

you keep rooting for the clown who started an insurrection.....🙄

[Nolebull813]

31 minutes ago, DBP66 said:

you know he got a pass when he was Pres....a 4 year pass...now the walls are closing in....he keeps losing in the courts ....and now he has to testify in NY on 1-7-22....🤡

you keep rooting for the clown who started an insurrection.....🙄

Can you post the link/video of him “starting the insurrection”???

90 percent of the MSM is left wing so it should be easy to find. 

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27 minutes ago, Nolebull813 said:

Can you post the link/video of him “starting the insurrection”???

90 percent of the MSM is left wing so it should be easy to find. 

it was live on TV for the world to see...he said the word "fight" 21 times...he also said he was going to lead the crowd to the capital....go watch the rally on Youtube...get a shot of reality....you need it!....you're just like Clown Concha down playing one of the worse days in US history....people dead and crazy Trumpers trying to "HANG MIKE PENCE"....make sure you have the volume up when you watch the insurrection...😪

[World Citizen]

On 12/20/2021 at 6:21 PM, I AM IRONMAN said:

Do you ever tire of being dead wrong...over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again?

Maybe you can tell us what exactly is wrong about what was posted.  I know you won't because you can't, and you will keep NOT addressing any points being made.  

Is there anything about Jan 6 that bothers you at all?  Anything that Trump did or said that bothers you at all?  Try to have a serious answer.

[I AM IRONMAN]

13 hours ago, World Citizen said:

Maybe you can tell us what exactly is wrong about what was posted.  I know you won't because you can't, and you will keep NOT addressing any points being made.  

Is there anything about Jan 6 that bothers you at all?  Anything that Trump did or said that bothers you at all?  Try to have a serious answer.

I have been reading posts for 5 + years of how they "got him THIS time" Just gets old. Was living better under Trump then Sleepy Joe no doubt. Maybe 1/6 Was the start of a new slogan "TBA"

Take Back America

You know...from the stolen election

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1 hour ago, I AM IRONMAN said:

I have been reading posts for 5 + years of how they "got him THIS time" Just gets old. Was living better under Trump then Sleepy Joe no doubt. Maybe 1/6 Was the start of a new slogan "TBA"

Take Back America

You know...from the stolen election

LOL...so you bought the BIG lie??....seriously??...stolen election?!?....WOW!.....🤡

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Conspiracy theories paint fraudulent reality of Jan. 6 riot

 

 

DAVID KLEPPER

Sat, January 1, 2022, 12:54 AM

 

 

Millions of Americans watched the events in Washington last Jan. 6 unfold on live television. Police officers testified to the violence and mayhem. Criminal proceedings in open court detailed what happened.

Yet the hoaxes, conspiracy theories and attempts to rewrite history persist, muddying the public's understanding of what actually occurred during the most sustained attack on the seat of American democracy since the War of 1812.

By excusing former President Donald Trump of responsibility, minimizing the mob’s violence and casting the rioters as martyrs, falsehoods about the insurrection aim to deflect blame for Jan. 6 while sustaining Trump's unfounded claims about the free and fair election in 2020 that he lost.

Spread by politicians, broadcast by cable news pundits and amplified by social media, the falsehoods are a stark reminder of how many Americans may no longer trust their own institutions or their own eyes.

 

Several different conspiracy theories have emerged in the year since the insurrection, according to an analysis of online content by media intelligence firm Zignal Labs on behalf of The Associated Press. Unfounded claims that the rioters were members of antifa went viral first, only to be overtaken by a baseless claim blaming FBI operatives. Other theories say the rioters were peaceful and were framed for crimes that never happened.

Conspiracy theories have long lurked in the background of American history, said Dustin Carnahan, a Michigan State University professor who studies political misinformation. But they can become dangerous when they lead people to distrust democracy or to excuse or embrace violence.

“If we’re no longer operating from the same foundation of facts, then it’s going to be a lot harder to have conversations as a country,” Carnahan said. “It will fuel more divisions in our country, and I think that ultimately is the legacy of the misinformation we're seeing right now."

An examination of some of the top falsehoods about the Capitol riot and the people who have spread them:

CLAIM: THE RIOTERS WEREN'T TRUMP SUPPORTERS

In fact, many of those who came to the Capitol on Jan. 6 have said — proudly, publicly, repeatedly — that they did so to help the then-president.

Different versions of the claim suggest they were FBI operatives or members of the anti-fascist movement antifa.

“Earlier today, the Capitol was under siege by people who can only be described as antithetical to the MAGA movement,” Laura Ingraham said on her Fox News show the night of Jan. 6, referring to Trump's “Make America Great Again” slogan. “They were likely not all Trump supporters, and there are some reports that antifa sympathizers may have been sprinkled throughout the crowd.”

The next day, Ingraham acknowledged the inaccuracy when she tweeted a link to a story debunking the claim.

Another Fox host, Tucker Carlson, has spread the idea that the FBI orchestrated the riot. He cites as evidence the indictments of some Jan. 6 suspects that mention unindicted co-conspirators, a common legal term that merely refers to suspects who haven’t been charged, and not evidence of undercover agents or informants.

Yet Carlson claimed on his show that “in potentially every single case, they were FBI operatives.”

Carlson is a “main driver” of the idea that Jan. 6 was perpetrated by agents of the government, according to Zignal’s report. It found the claim spiked in October when Carlson released a documentary series about the insurrection.

Members of Congress, including Rep. Matt Gaetz, R-Fla., have helped spread the theories.

“Some of the people who breached the Capitol today were not Trump supporters, they were masquerading as Trump supporters and, in fact, were members of the violent terrorist group antifa,” Gaetz said.

Spokespeople for Carlson and Gaetz say they stand by their claims.

In truth, the rioters are just who they said they were.

One was a recently elected state lawmaker from West Virginia, a Republican Trump supporter named Derrick Evans who resigned following his arrest. Evans streamed video of himself illegally entering the Capitol.

“They’re making an announcement now saying if Pence betrays us you better get your mind right because we’re storming the building,” Evans said on the video. “The door is cracked! … We’re in, we’re in! Derrick Evans is in the Capitol!” Vice President Mike Pence was in the building to preside over the Senate's certification of Democrat Joe Biden's election victory. Pence went ahead despite Trump's pleas to get Pence to block the transfer of power.

During testimony before Congress, FBI Director Christopher Wray was asked whether there was any reason to believe the insurrection was organized by “fake Trump protesters.”

“We have not seen evidence of that,” said Wray, who was appointed by Trump.

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CLAIM: THE RIOTERS WEREN'T VIOLENT

Dozens of police officers were severely injured. One Capitol Police officer who was attacked and assaulted with bear spray suffered a stroke and died a day later of natural causes.

Former Metropolitan Police Officer Michael Fanone, who rushed to the scene, said he was “grabbed, beaten, tased, all while being called a traitor to my country.” The assault stopped only when he said he had children. He later learned he had suffered a heart attack. Fanone resigned from the department in December 2021.

Rioters broke into the Senate chamber minutes after senators had fled under armed protection. They rifled through desks and looked for lawmakers, yelling, “Where are they?” In House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s office, staffers hid under desks while rioters called out the name of the California Democrat.

That's not how some Republican politicians have described the insurrection.

Appearing on Ingraham's show in May, Sen. Ron Johnson, R-Wis., said he condemned the Capitol breach as well as the violence, but said it was wrong to term it an insurrection.

“By and large it was a peaceful protest, except for there were a number of people, basically agitators, that whipped the crowd and breached the Capitol," Johnson said.

Johnson has since said that he doesn't want the violent actions of a few to be used to impugn all.

Rep. Andrew Clyde, after watching video footage of rioters walking through the Capitol, said it resembled a “normal tourist visit.” Other video evidence from Jan. 6 showed Clyde, R-Ga., helping barricade the House doors in an attempt to keep the rioters out.

Trump called the insurrection a display of “ spirit and faith and love.”

Rioters also broke windows and doors, stole items from offices and caused an estimated $1.5 million in damage. Outside the Capitol someone set up a gallows with a noose.

“The notion that this was somehow a tourist event is disgraceful and despicable,” Rep. Liz Cheney, R-Wyo., said in May. “And, you know, I won’t be part of whitewashing what happened on Jan. 6. Nobody should be part of it. And people ought to be held accountable.”

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CLAIM: TRUMP DID NOT ENCOURAGE THE RIOTERS

Trump may now want to minimize his involvement, but he spent months sounding a steady drumbeat of conspiracy theory and grievance, urging his followers to fight to somehow return him to power.

“Big protest in D.C. on January 6th,” Trump tweeted on Dec. 19, 2020. “Be there, will be wild!”

Immediately before the mob stormed the Capitol, Trump spoke for more than an hour, telling his supporters they had been “cheated” and “defrauded” in the “rigged” election by a “criminal enterprise” that included lawmakers who were now meeting in the Capitol.

At one point, Trump did urge his supporters to “peacefully and patriotically make your voice heard.” The rest of his speech was filled with hostile rhetoric.

“We fight. We fight like hell,” he told those who would later break into the Capitol. “And if you don’t fight like hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore.”

Now, Trump says he had nothing to do with the riot.

“I wasn’t involved in that, and if you look at my words and what I said in the speech, they were extremely calming actually,” Trump said on Fox News in December.

Nearly two-thirds of Americans believe Trump bears some responsibility for the Capitol breach, according to a survey last year by The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research.

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CLAIM: ASHLI BABBITT WAS KILLED BY AN OFFICER WORKING FOR DEMOCRATS

Babbitt died after being shot in the shoulder by a lieutenant in the Capitol Police force as she and others pressed to enter the Speaker's Lobby outside the House chamber.

Babbitt, a 35-year-old Air Force veteran, was unarmed. An investigation cleared the officer of wrongdoing.

The Capitol Police Department protects all members of Congress, as well as employees, the public and Capitol facilities. The officer wasn't assigned to any particular lawmaker.

Trump falsely claimed the officer was the head of security “for a certain high official, a Democrat," and was being shielded from accountability. He also misstated where Babbitt was shot.

“Who is the person that shot ... an innocent, wonderful, incredible woman, a military woman, right in the head?” Trump asked on Fox News.

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CLAIM: THE JAN. 6 SUSPECTS ARE POLITICAL PRISONERS AND ARE BEING MISTREATED

No, they are not, despite some assertions from members of Congress.

“J6 defendants are political prisoners of war,” Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene, R-Ga., tweeted in November. She said she had visited some suspects in jail who complained about the food, medical care and “re-education” they were receiving in custody.

Rep. Paul Gosar, R-Ariz., said the Justice Department was “harassing peaceful patriots” by investigating their involvement in the insurrection.

While it’s true some of the suspects have complained about their time in jail, it’s wrong to argue they’re being held as political prisoners. Authorities have said the suspects in custody are being given the same access to food and medical care as any other inmate.

One of the most notorious rioters, Jacob Chansley, known as the QAnon Shaman, was given organic food in his jail cell after he complained about the food options.

 

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The Infowars host Alex Jones slammed Trump's social-media network and called him 'pathetic' for supporting the COVID-19 vaccine

Matthew Loh

Thu, December 30, 2021, 10:19 PM

 

 

 

Alex Jones lashed out at Trump on Wednesday, saying the former president "doesn't know what he's doing."Zach Roberts/NurPhoto via Getty Images

• Jones came out swinging against former President Donald Trump on Wednesday.

• Angered by Trump's support of vaccines, Jones threatened to "dish all the dirt" on him.

• Jones criticized Trump's social-media platform Truth Social, suggesting it isn't "a real network."

The Infowars host Alex Jones tore into former President Donald Trump and his upcoming social network Truth Social over Trump's recent public approval of COVID-19 vaccines.

On Wednesday, Jones, previously a staunch and outspoken Trump supporter, told listeners of his Infowars show to "move on" from the former president.

"Yeah, we all wish Trump would do the right thing. But listen, I've got the inside baseball on Trump. He doesn't know what's going on. And I'm not even defending Trump. I'm just saying we've got to move on," said Jones, a prominent conspiracy theorist on the right.

He then threatened to "dish all the dirt" on Trump, saying he had access to unnamed sources from "inside Trump's camp," The Daily Beast's Zachary Petrizzo first reported.

"It's not to hurt Trump. It's so people can know how pathetic he is when you think he is playing 4D chess going to save you and he's not," Jones said.

He said that Trump is "not a bad guy," but added that the former president "doesn't know what he's doing, and he's surrounded by bad advisors."

Jones proceeded to criticize Truth Social as well. "He's got that multibillion-dollar social-media network based on Mastodon that they said's an original program that doesn't even work," he said, referring to the open-source social-media software.

"And there's all these SEC criminal investigations of it right now," Jones continued. "And it's all falling apart. I wish Trump could go build a real network."

Trump revealed during a December 19 appearance with the former Fox News host Bill O'Reilly that he'd gotten a booster shot and told people in the crowd not to boo because of it. Later in an interview with the conservative commentator and activist Candace Owens, he repeated the same sentiment.

"Trump did a lot of good, and I believed in him," Jones later said after Trump's comments. "So the fact that he's done this makes it personal. It makes it hurt!"

On a Christmas broadcast, Jones said Trump was either "completely ignorant" or "one of the most evil men who ever lived."

Jones joins several far-right commentators in their newfound criticism of the former president.

Others who have recently lashed out against Trump include the radio host and longtime Trump supporter Wayne Allyn Root, who said on Jones' show that Trump is "horribly wrong" about the vaccines and "needs an intervention."

The "Stop the Steal" organizer Ali Alexander blasted Trump as well, writing on his Telegram channel: "Trump, stop. Just stop. Have your position (backed by Fauci) and allow us to have ours (which is backed by science). This losing is getting boomer level annoying."

Read the original article on Business Insider

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The Washington Post

Republicans and Democrats divided over Jan. 6 insurrection and Trump’s culpability, Post-UMD poll finds

Dan Balz, Scott Clement, Emily Guskin - Yesterday 6:00 PM

© Bonnie Jo Mount/The Washington Post

One year after the deadly attack on the U.S. Capitol, Republicans and Democrats are deeply divided over what happened that day and the degree to which former president Donald Trump bears responsibility for the assault, amid more universal signs of flagging pride in the workings of democracy at home, according to a Washington Post-University of Maryland poll.

Partisan divisions related both to the Jan. 6 assault and the 2020 presidential election color nearly every issue raised in the survey, from how much violence occurred at the Capitol that day to the severity of the sentences handed down to convicted protesters to whether President Biden was legitimately elected. Only on a question about injured law enforcement officers is there broad bipartisan agreement.

The percentage of Americans who say violent action against the government is justified at times stands at 34 percent, which is considerably higher than in past polls by The Post or other major news organizations dating back more than two decades. Again, the view is partisan: The new survey finds 40 percent of Republicans, 41 percent of independents and 23 percent of Democrats saying violence is sometimes justified.

On Jan. 6, the day Congress was to ratify the 2020 electoral college vote, Trump claimed at a rally near the White House that the election had been rigged and urged his followers to “fight like hell” to stop what he said was a stolen outcome. Many of his supporters walked to the Capitol from the rally and took part in the violence.

Overall, 60 percent of Americans say Trump bears either a “great deal” or a “good amount” of responsibility for the insurrection, but 72 percent of Republicans and 83 percent of Trump voters say he bears “just some” responsibility or “none at all.”

Trump’s attacks on the legitimacy of the election have spawned ongoing efforts in some states to revisit the results. No such inquiry has turned up anything to suggest that the certified results were inaccurate. That has not blunted a persistent belief by most of his supporters that the election was somehow rigged.

Overall, the Post-UMD survey finds that 68 percent of Americans say there is no solid evidence of widespread fraud but 30 percent say there is.

Big majorities of Democrats (88 percent) and independents (74 percent) say there is no evidence of such irregularities, but 62 percent of Republicans say there is such evidence. That is almost identical to the percentage of Republicans who agreed with Trump’s claims of voter fraud a week after that Capitol attack, based on a Washington Post-ABC News poll at the time.

About 7 in 10 Americans say Biden’s election as president was legitimate, but that leaves almost 3 in 10 who say it was not, including 58 percent of Republicans and 27 percent of independents. The 58 percent of Republicans who say Biden was not legitimately elected as president is down somewhat from 70 percent in a Post-ABC poll conducted in January shortly after the Capitol attack.

Among those who say they voted for Trump in 2020, 69 percent now say Biden was not legitimately elected, while 97 percent of Biden voters say the current president was legitimately elected.

Republicans’ rejection of Biden’s victory is not novel. In a fall 2017 Post-UMD poll, 67 percent of Democrats and 69 percent of Hillary Clinton voters said Trump was not legitimately elected president. The current poll was conducted Dec. 17-19 by The Post and the University of Maryland’s Center for Democracy and Civic Engagement.

Overall, the new survey reflects how much the partisan wars continue to rage across the country a full year after the Jan. 6 riot. Trump has fueled the discord with falsehoods about election irregularities, and most Republican elected officials have turned their backs on any serious investigation of the roots of the attack and exactly what transpired that day. Hopes for unity have largely faded as doubts about democracy have grown.

The Jan. 6 attack left one police officer and four others dead, and scores injured, particularly those in law enforcement who were overwhelmed for a time as the mob of protesters broke into the Capitol. Since then, some Republicans have sought to play down the violence, with one member of Congress even saying the mob resembled ordinary tourists rather than attackers.

Trump also has sought to minimize the violence of the day, contending falsely in December that “remember, the insurrection took place on November 3rd, it was the completely unarmed protest of the rigged election that took place on January 6th.”

Today, 54 percent of Americans characterize the protesters who entered the Capitol as “mostly violent,” while 19 percent call them “mostly peaceful” and another 27 percent say they were equally peaceful and violent. Broken down by party, 78 percent of Democrats describe the protesters as mostly violent compared with 26 percent of Republicans. Thirty-six percent of Republicans say the protesters were mostly peaceful, compared to 5 percent of Democrats.

A bare majority overall (51 percent) say the legal punishments for those who broke the law that day are not harsh enough, with 19 percent saying they are too harsh and 28 percent saying overall they have been fair. The partisan differences are virtually identical to perceptions about how violent the protesters were, with 77 percent of Democrats calling the penalties not harsh enough compared with 26 percent of Republicans. Seven in 10 Republicans say the penalties have been either fair (38 percent) or too harsh (32 percent).

An estimated 140 law enforcement personnel were injured during the attack, a fact that overwhelming majorities of Democrats, Republicans and independents agree happened. The survey finds that 96 percent of Democrats, 81 percent of Republicans and 84 percent of independents say that protesters injured police during the attack.

Partisan divisions also largely disappear on a question about pride in democracy itself, with 54 percent saying they are either “very” or “somewhat” proud of the way democracy is working in the United States. That includes 60 percent of Democrats, 58 percent of Republicans and 51 percent of independents.

But that finding, while narrowly in positive territory, highlights what has been a dramatic and steady two-decade decline in how Americans feel about their democracy. In the fall of 2002, a year after the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, 90 percent of adults expressed pride in the workings of American democracy. Twelve years later, it had fallen to 74 percent and, in the fall of 2017, it had dropped again to 63 percent.

Notably, in 2002, 49 percent of adults said they were “very proud” of the way democracy was working in this country. In the new survey, that number had plunged to 11 percent as both sides found reasons for dismay.

Two decades ago, Republicans and Democrats were uniform in their pride in democracy, with more than 9 in 10 in each party expressing positive views. That trend continued throughout the following decade or more, though overall pride in democracy was sliding down among both groups and independents. In 2017, a partisan division opened, with Republicans more positive than Democrats in the wake of Trump’s election. Today, as the percentage who express pride has fallen further, Republicans and Democrats are closer together in their views; about 4 in 10 of each say they are not proud.

A majority of most demographic groups in the survey expressed pride in democracy. But two somewhat overlapping groups stand out for their pessimism. Among independents who say they do not lean to either party, 58 percent say they are not proud of the current workings of U.S. democracy. Similarly, among those ages 18-29, 54 percent have a negative perception of democracy as it exists in this country today.

There is little difference in perceptions depending on which cable news sources they watch. Those who watch Fox News and those who watch CNN have almost identical views about how they feel about democracy today. In both cases, nearly 6 in 10 say they have some pride about democracy’s workings, while among those who watch MSNBC, just over 6 in 10 are positive.

The past year has seen an intense debate over the rules and regulations governing elections. In some Republican-controlled states, new laws have been passed that would restrict voting, with some provisions seen as falling hardest on African Americans, Hispanics and the elderly. Democrats nationally have championed federal legislation designed to expand voting rights but have not been able to get their bills through the Senate.

Looking ahead, more than 1 in 3 Americans say they are not confident that their votes will be counted in the 2022 elections, including nearly 6 in 10 Republicans and under 2 in 10 Democrats. Similarly, about 1 in 3 adults overall say they are not confident that all eligible citizens will have an opportunity to vote, with Democrats more pessimistic in this case than Republicans.

Majorities of Democrats and Republicans doubt the other party will accept election results in states they control, though Democrats are more skeptical of Republicans than vice versa. Among Republicans, 56 percent say they are not confident that state officials in Democratic-controlled states will accept election results if their party loses, while 43 percent are confident in this.

Among Democrats, 67 percent are not confident that officials in Republican-controlled states will accept a losing result, while 32 percent are confident. Among independents, 71 percent are confident that officials in Democratic-led states will accept a losing result, compared with 51 percent who say the same about Republican-controlled states.

© Provided by The Washington PostRepublicans and Democrats still divided over Jan. 6 insurrection and Trump’s culpability, Post-UMD poll finds

The poll was conducted among 1,101 U.S. adults. They were interviewed through the AmeriSpeak Panel, the probability-based survey panel of nonpartisan research organization NORC at the University of Chicago. Interviews were conducted online and by phone; overall results have a margin of sampling error of plus or minus four percentage points.

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Jan. 6 committee prepares to go public as findings mount

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Capitol Riot Congress Investigation

FILE - Members of the House of Representatives gather in the chamber to vote on creation of a select committee to investigate the Jan. 6 Capitol insurrection, at the Capitol in Washington, on June 30, 2021. (AP Photo/J. Scott Applewhite, File)

 

MARY CLARE JALONICK

Sun, January 2, 2022, 12:05 AM

 

 

WASHINGTON (AP) — They’ve interviewed more than 300 witnesses, collected tens of thousands of documents and traveled around the country to talk to election officials who were pressured by Donald Trump.

Now, after six months of intense work, the House committee investigating the Jan. 6 insurrection is preparing to go public.

In the coming months, members of the panel will start to reveal their findings against the backdrop of the former president and his allies’ persistent efforts to whitewash the riots and reject suggestions that he helped instigate them. The committee also faces the burden of trying to persuade the American public that their conclusions are fact-based and credible.

But the nine lawmakers — seven Democrats and two Republicans — are united in their commitment to tell the full story of Jan. 6, and they are planning televised hearings and reports that will bring their findings out into the open.

 

Their goal is not only to show the severity of the riot, but also to make a clear connection between the attack and Trump’s brazen pressure on the states and Congress to overturn Joe Biden’s legitimate election as president.

“The full picture is coming to light, despite President Trump’s ongoing efforts to hide the picture,” said Wyoming Rep. Liz Cheney, the committee’s vice chairwoman and one of its two Republican members.

“I don’t think there’s any area of this broader history in which we aren’t learning new things,” she said.

While the fundamental facts of Jan. 6 are known, the committee says the extraordinary trove of material they have collected — 35,000 pages of records so far, including texts, emails and phone records from people close to Trump — is fleshing out critical details of the worst attack on the Capitol in two centuries, which played out on live television.

They hope to fill in the blanks about the preparations before the attack, the financing behind the Jan. 6 rally that preceded it and the extensive White House campaign to overturn the 2020 election. They are also investigating what Trump himself was doing as his supporters fought their way into the Capitol.

True accountability may be fleeting. Congressional investigations are not criminal cases and lawmakers cannot dole out punishments. Even as the committee works, Trump and his allies continue to push lies about election fraud while working to place similarly minded officials at all levels of state and local government.

“I think that the challenge that we face is that the attacks on our democracy are continuing — they didn’t come to an end on Jan. 6,” said another panel member, Rep. Adam Schiff, D-Calif., also chairman of the House Intelligence Committee.

Still, the lawmakers hope they can present the public with a thorough accounting that captures what could have been “an even more serious and deeper constitutional crisis,” as Cheney put it.

“I think this is one of the single most important congressional investigations in history,” Cheney said.

The committee is up against the clock. Republicans could disband the investigation if they win the House majority in the November 2022 elections. The committee's final report is expected before then, with a possible interim report coming in the spring or summer.

In the hearings, which could start in the coming weeks, the committee wants to “bring the people who conducted the elections to Washington and tell their story,” said the panel’s chairman, Rep. Bennie Thompson, D-Miss. Their testimony, he said, will further debunk Trump’s claims of election fraud.

The committee has interviewed several election officials in battleground states, including Arizona, Georgia, Michigan and Pennsylvania, about Trump’

The panel also is focusing on the preparations for the Jan. 6 rally near the White House where Trump told his supporters to “fight like hell” — and how the rioters may have planned to block the electoral count if they had been able to get their hands on the electoral ballots.

They need to amplify to the public, Thompson said, “that it was an organized effort to change the outcome of the election by bringing people to Washington ... and ultimately if all else failed, weaponize the people who came by sending them to the Capitol.”

About 90% of the witnesses called by the committee have cooperated, Thompson said, despite the defiance of high-profile Trump allies such as Steve Bannon and former White House chief of staff Mark Meadows. Lawmakers said they have been effective at gathering information from other sources in part because they share a unity of purpose rarely seen in a congressional investigation.

House Republican leader Kevin McCarthy of California, a close Trump ally, decided not to appoint any GOP members to the committee after House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., rejected two of his picks last summer.

Pelosi, who created the select committee after Republican senators rejected an evenly bipartisan outside commission, subsequently appointed Republicans Cheney and Adam Kinzinger of Illinois, Trump critics who shared the Democrats’ desire to investigate the attack.

“I think you can see that Kevin made an epic mistake,” Kinzinger said. “I think part of the reason we’ve gone so fast and have been so effective so far is because we’ve decided and we have the ability to do this as a nonpartisan investigation.”

Kinzinger said the investigation would be “a very different scene” if Republicans allied with Trump were participating and able to obstruct some of their work.

“I think in five or 10 years, when school kids learn about Jan. 6, they’re going to get the accurate story,” Kinzinger said. “And I think that’s going to be dependent on what we do here.”

Democrats say having two Republicans working with them has been an asset, especially as they try to reach conservative audiences who may still believe Trump’s falsehoods about a stolen election.

“They bring to the table perspectives and ability to translate a little bit what is being reflected in conservative media, or how this might be viewed through a conservative lens,” says Rep. Stephanie Murphy, D-Fla. “And that’s been really helpful.”

There is “no division, no hostility, no partisan bickering — it’s like, let’s just get this job done,” said California Rep. Zoe Lofgren, another member and a veteran of congressional investigations going back to the Watergate investigation of President Richard Nixon when she was a staffer on the House Judiciary Committee.

The nine-member group has bonded over a friendly text chain where they discuss business and occasionally their personal lives. There are messages wishing a happy birthday, for example, or congratulating another on a child’s wedding.

“It’s good, it’s how Congress should be,” said Rep. Pete Aguilar, D-Calif.

Aguilar says the biggest challenges for the committee are the calendar and the small group of Trump loyalists who are trying to run out the clock by stonewalling or suing them. In the end, he said, he thinks the committee’s final report will stand the test of time, similar to the investigations of the 9/11 attacks and Watergate.

For now, though, “we are still in the eye of the hurricane,” Aguilar said.

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UPDATE 2-Donald Trump Jr., Ivanka Trump subpoenaed in New York probe

 

Mon, January 3, 2022, 11:50 AM

 

 

(Updates with court filing; changes dateline, previously WASHINGTON) 

  NEW YORK, Jan 3 (Reuters) - New York's attorney general has subpoenaed two of Donald Trump's adult children, Donald Trump Jr and Ivanka Trump, as part of her civil probe into the former U.S. president's business practices and namesake company. 

  The subpoenas from the office of Attorney General Letitia James were disclosed in a Monday filing with a New York state court in Manhattan. 

  James has also subpoenaed Trump. Lawyers for the Trump family are seeking to block her from questioning the former Republican president and his children, the filing said. 

  Lawyers for the family were not immediately available for comment. 

  The subpoenas were first reported by the New York Times, which cited a person familiar with the matter. 

  Last month, Trump sued https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/trump-sues-ny-attorney-general-block-probe-his-businesses-2021-12-20 James to block her civil probe into the Trump Organization, accusing the Democrat of partisan politics. 

  James has been investigating whether the company fraudulently inflated the values of its real estate holdings to obtain bank loans, and reduced the values to save on taxes. 

  Her probe is related to but separate from a criminal probe by the Manhattan district attorney into the Trump Organization's business practices. James joined that probe last May. 

  Eric Trump, another of Trump's adult children, was questioned by James' office in October 2020. 

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[DBP66]

3 hours ago, Slotback Right said:

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the first family of criminals....😉

[DBP66]

Jan. 6 panel releases Hannity texts, asks for cooperation

 

 

 

Tue, January 4, 2022, 5:47 PM

 

 

 

The House panel investigating the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol said Tuesday it had a series of text messages from Sean Hannity suggesting the Fox News host was aware of plans to contest President Biden's electoral victory and asked him to voluntarily cooperate with their probe.

The letter to Hannity reviews five communications sent by the conservative commentator among dozens in the committee's possession, including previously unreleased texts they argue show he "had advance knowledge regarding President Trump's and his legal team's planning for January 6th."

On Dec. 31, Hannity appeared to express concern over losing support from the White House legal counsel while relaying his advice to Trump chief of staff Mark Meadows.

 

"We can't lose the entire WH counsels office. I do NOT see January 6 happening the way he is being told. After the 6 th. [sic] He should announce will lead the nationwide effort to reform voting integrity. Go to Fl and watch Joe mess up daily. Stay engaged. When he speaks people will listen," Hannity wrote that night.

The panel also questioned Hannity about "a stream of texts" he sent and received on Jan. 5, the night before the riot.

"You wrote: 'Im very worried about the next 48 hours.' With the counting of the electoral votes scheduled for January 6th at 1 p.m., why were you concerned about the next 48 hours?" the committee asked in its letter.

 

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[I AM IRONMAN]

And when you go to a restaurant you can order a Nice steak with a baked Biden as a side (butter or sour cream)

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Karl Rove, a GOP stalwart in Texas and nationally, delivers blunt Jan. 6 message to his party

 

 

John C. Moritz, Corpus Christi Caller Times

Sat, January 8, 2022, 8:00 AM

 

 

AUSTIN — Anyone seeking evidence that the center of gravity in the Republican Party writ large, and particularly in Texas, has shifted needs to look no farther than Karl Rove’s recent upbraiding of leaders in the GOP who seek to excuse or minimize the violent attack on the U.S. Capitol one year ago.

Rove is well known as one of the masterminds of George W. Bush’s ascent first to the Texas Governor’s Mansion and then to the White House. But long before that — we're talking the 1970s — he supplied much of the brick and mortar for the Republican takeover of state politics.

 

Karl Rove, architect of the GOP resurgence in Texas, criticized fellow Republicans for not condemning the attack on the U.S. Capitol a year ago.

He helped Dallas oilman Bill Clements become Texas' first Republican governor since Reconstruction in 1978. He was the first operative hired by George H.W. Bush for his unsuccessful 1980 race for the presidency. He helped former Democrat Rick Perry come from almost nowhere, politically speaking, to get elected as the first Republican state agriculture commissioner in 1990.

Four years later, Rove helped George W. Bush unseat Democratic Gov. Ann Richards, which proved the catalyst for the nation's most recent two-term Republican presidency.

 

Rove practiced a take-no-prisoners approach to politics that made him the most sought-after GOP operative in Texas and one of the top draws nationally. That’s what makes his blunt assessment of the party’s Jan. 6 deniers ring so loudly.

“My criticisms are often aimed at Democrats;” Rove wrote in an op-ed in The Wall Street Journal published one year after the insurrection. “(O)n the anniversary of Jan. 6, I’m addressing squarely those Republicans who for a year have excused the actions of the rioters who stormed the Capitol, disrupted Congress as it received the Electoral College’s results, and violently attempted to overturn the election.

"There can be no soft-pedaling what happened and no absolution for those who planned, encouraged and aided the attempt to overthrow our democracy. Love of country demands nothing less," the piece continues. "That’s true patriotism.”

Rove mentioned no names, but the op-ed landed the same day Texas Republican U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz felt compelled to crawdad back on his recent statement calling the insurrection a "terrorist attack." After he made the remark, some in the GOP castigated Cruz for effectively selling out former President Donald Trump, whose speech on Jan. 6, 2021, before Congress certified his election defeat, was seen as a precursor to the riot.

It's no stretch to say that the path for Cruz and nearly all of today’s top-tier Texas Republicans was paved in no small part by the spade work done by Rove more than a generation ago. The same year Clements was elected governor, there were no Republicans holding statewide office. Of the 31 state senators at the time, 28 were Democrats. Across the Capitol Rotunda, only 19 Republicans where scattered about the 150-member House chamber. Today, the GOP controls both chambers and holds all of the statewide elective offices.

In addition to Clements, Perry and the Bushes, Rove was instrumental in pushing forward the political careers of such Texas Republicans as Phil Gramm, Kay Bailey Hutchison, John Cornyn and others. In their 2003 biography "Bush's Brain," the late former Dallas Morning News Austin Bureau Chief Wayne Slater and former veteran Texas broadcast journalist James Moore called Rove "a man whose presence in an opponent's campaign can chill a Democrat's hopes."

Since leaving the Bush White House as deputy chief of staff for policy, Rove has been more of a pundit than a political trench fighter. In his recent op-ed, he showed his antipathy toward Democrats, chiding them for their "petty habit of aggravating partisan fault lines by indiscriminately condemning all who came to Washington" to protest the 2020 election.

But he said his own party bears a "heavier burden." The burden won't be lifted, he concluded, until all Republicans face the truth of Jan. 6, 2021.

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On 1/1/2022 at 8:02 AM, DBP66 said:

The Infowars host Alex Jones slammed Trump's social-media network and called him 'pathetic' for supporting the COVID-19 vaccine

Matthew Loh

Thu, December 30, 2021, 10:19 PM

 

 

 

Alex Jones lashed out at Trump on Wednesday, saying the former president "doesn't know what he's doing."Zach Roberts/NurPhoto via Getty Images

• Jones came out swinging against former President Donald Trump on Wednesday.

• Angered by Trump's support of vaccines, Jones threatened to "dish all the dirt" on him.

• Jones criticized Trump's social-media platform Truth Social, suggesting it isn't "a real network."

The Infowars host Alex Jones tore into former President Donald Trump and his upcoming social network Truth Social over Trump's recent public approval of COVID-19 vaccines.

On Wednesday, Jones, previously a staunch and outspoken Trump supporter, told listeners of his Infowars show to "move on" from the former president.

"Yeah, we all wish Trump would do the right thing. But listen, I've got the inside baseball on Trump. He doesn't know what's going on. And I'm not even defending Trump. I'm just saying we've got to move on," said Jones, a prominent conspiracy theorist on the right.

He then threatened to "dish all the dirt" on Trump, saying he had access to unnamed sources from "inside Trump's camp," The Daily Beast's Zachary Petrizzo first reported.

"It's not to hurt Trump. It's so people can know how pathetic he is when you think he is playing 4D chess going to save you and he's not," Jones said.

He said that Trump is "not a bad guy," but added that the former president "doesn't know what he's doing, and he's surrounded by bad advisors."

Jones proceeded to criticize Truth Social as well. "He's got that multibillion-dollar social-media network based on Mastodon that they said's an original program that doesn't even work," he said, referring to the open-source social-media software.

"And there's all these SEC criminal investigations of it right now," Jones continued. "And it's all falling apart. I wish Trump could go build a real network."

Trump revealed during a December 19 appearance with the former Fox News host Bill O'Reilly that he'd gotten a booster shot and told people in the crowd not to boo because of it. Later in an interview with the conservative commentator and activist Candace Owens, he repeated the same sentiment.

"Trump did a lot of good, and I believed in him," Jones later said after Trump's comments. "So the fact that he's done this makes it personal. It makes it hurt!"

On a Christmas broadcast, Jones said Trump was either "completely ignorant" or "one of the most evil men who ever lived."

Jones joins several far-right commentators in their newfound criticism of the former president.

Others who have recently lashed out against Trump include the radio host and longtime Trump supporter Wayne Allyn Root, who said on Jones' show that Trump is "horribly wrong" about the vaccines and "needs an intervention."

The "Stop the Steal" organizer Ali Alexander blasted Trump as well, writing on his Telegram channel: "Trump, stop. Just stop. Have your position (backed by Fauci) and allow us to have ours (which is backed by science). This losing is getting boomer level annoying."

Read the original article on Business Insider

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16 minutes ago, tommygun58 said:

yea...just the unvaccinated did....😉

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A New York tribute...

 

 

[On2whls]

1 hour ago, DBP66 said:

yea...just the unvaccinated did....😉

Yeah I guess they all got what they deserved right?  And all the vaccinated people that have died due to Covid? They must have taken the shots begrudgingly so good riddance to them too.😉

[DBP66]

14 minutes ago, On2whls said:

Yeah I guess they all got what they deserved right?  And all the vaccinated people that have died due to Covid? They must have taken the shots begrudgingly so good riddance to them too.😉

you said that not me...they all made an "informed" choice. Good riddance to the virus....😉

[On2whls]

1 minute ago, DBP66 said:

you said that not me...they all made an "informed" choice. Good riddance to the virus....😉

LMAO.   Typical denial tactic.  Good riddance to the virus?  Sure, but not gonna happen any time soon.  Boost up for the next variants.  You’re not gonna want to miss the chance to laugh at the unvaccinated that perish. Heck, you’ll probably post more examples.

[tommygun58]

1 hour ago, DBP66 said:

yea...just the unvaccinated did....😉

I'm not vaxed & hadn't even had a slight illness the entire time.In my tiny town of 8k the local news reported 43 covid deaths.I coached wrestling,football,girls & boys intown baseball,softball,basketball along with my wife & know all.One person we know of died April 2020.She was 250 +lbs  67yr old & had heart problems & it was chalked up as covid death & that is it.Small town = big gossip.Media lies big time.

[DBP66]

2 minutes ago, On2whls said:

LMAO.   Typical denial tactic.  Good riddance to the virus?  Sure, but not gonna happen any time soon.  Boost up for the next variants.  You’re not gonna want to miss the chance to laugh at the unvaccinated that perish. Heck, you’ll probably post more examples.

I'm not laughing at anyone champ...death is sad in my world no matter who dies...even nutty conspiracy Trumpers who were sadly mistaken....look at my prior post about the Cal. Politician.