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8 minutes ago, World Citizen said:

This just shows you are unaware of what's going on or don't care.  Either way it's probably best to avoid these threads.  

You post like this is the traditional left/right political B's we all grew up with, and you are above all this petty shit.  It is not.  Not sure how this is ok with anybody not in the cult.  

Unprecedented.  

Actually, no need to even respond.  I forgot you thought it was funny when a old man got hit with a hammer.  Good times for sure.  

 

The only thing unprecedented is the ridiculous amount of drama social media adds..

Stop being such a Nancy boy...

 

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Trump doesn't have 'absolute immunity' in efforts to overturn 2020 election, judge says

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federal judge on Monday rejected former President Donald Trump’s argument that he has “absolute immunity” in response to a lawsuit alleging he committed civil rights violations in his attempts to challenge the 2020 presidential election results.

Trump doesn't have 'absolute immunity' in efforts to overturn 2020 election, judge says
Trump doesn't have 'absolute immunity' in efforts to overturn 2020 election, judge says© Provided by NBC News

The lawsuit, filed by the NAACP, the Michigan Welfare Rights Organization and others, accuses the former president and the Republican National Committee of efforts to disenfranchise voters through targeted harassment, intimidation and efforts to prevent the complete counting and certification of ballots after the 2020 election. 

The ruling notes that Trump’s lawyers previously argued that he is “absolutely immune” from damages for his actions within the “outer perimeter” of his official responsibilities as president.

Washington, D.C., District Judge Emmet Sullivan sided with the civil rights groups, writing that Trump’s conduct after the 2020 election was “purely political and therefore well beyond the contours of presidential immunity.”

 

“If former President Trump disrupted the certification of the electoral vote count, as plaintiffs allege here, such actions would not constitute executive action in defense of the Constitution," Sullivan wrote. "For these reasons, the court concludes that former President Trump is not immune from monetary damages in this suit."

 

NBC News has reached out to attorneys for Trump and the Republican National Committee for comment.

Sullivan allowed the plaintiffs to file an amended complaint, and issued a strong condemnation of Trump for posing “a very substantial risk in the future to plaintiffs’ fundamental right to vote."

“The court concludes that plaintiffs’ allegations support severe, substantial harm from former President Trump’s ongoing and continued efforts to intimidate officials, spread false claims of fraud, and imperil the right to vote,” Sullivan wrote. 

“The court is also cognizant that the individual plaintiffs are Black voters who are particularly targeted by former President Trump’s baseless allegations of election fraud,” he continued.

The case was filed before the Capitol attack on Jan. 6, 2021, while the then-president was challenging election results in numerous states. It is among multiple civil lawsuits that have been waged against Trump in recent years, in which he argued that in some of the cases he was immune from the civil lawsuits as a sitting president.

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1 hour ago, concha said:

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LOL...Twitter?...the sinking ship?....have fun there Don....they could use a smart guy like you there!....so is Trump back on Twitter??...oh...that's right he can't leave his new "truth" forum....LOL...oh the irony Trump has to stick with "truth" forum now...😉

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FYI....@Ironman this is NOT an op-ed...😉
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McConnell, McCarthy criticize Trump's dinner with white nationalist

Dylan Stableford
Dylan Stableford
·Senior Writer
Tue, November 29, 2022 at 1:14 PM
 
 

The top two Republicans in Congress on Monday condemned Nick Fuentes days after former President Donald Trump hosted the white supremacist at a dinner with Ye, the rapper formerly known as Kanye West, at Mar-a-Lago.

“There is no room in the Republican Party for antisemitism or white supremacy,” Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell told reporters on Capitol Hill. “And anyone meeting with people advocating that point of view, in my judgment, are highly unlikely to ever be elected president of the United States.”

“I don't think anybody should be spending any time with Nick Fuentes,” House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy said at the White House after a meeting that President Biden convened with congressional leaders. “He has no place in this Republican Party.”

Trump’s dinner with Fuentes and Ye drew widespread criticism, although many Republican lawmakers had been silent on the matter.

Former President Donald Trump, Ye, (formerly known as Kanye West) and Nick Fuentes. (Photo illustration: Yahoo News; photos: Andrew Harnik/AP, Ashley Landis/AP, William Edwards/AFP via Getty Images)
 
Former President Donald Trump, Ye, (formerly known as Kanye West) and Nick Fuentes. (Photo illustration: Yahoo News; photos: Andrew Harnik/AP, Ashley Landis/AP, William Edwards/AFP via Getty Images)

Amid the backlash, the former president claimed he did not know who Fuentes was, but notably did not condemn his racist and antisemitic beliefs. He also did not condemn the antisemitic comments Ye made in a series of interviews, as a result of which many platforms and businesses severed ties with the rapper.

On Tuesday, McCarthy, who is the leading contender to become House speaker after the GOP won a majority of seats in the chamber in the midterm elections, falsely claimed that Trump had condemned Fuentes.

“Trump came out four times and condemned him and didn’t know who he was,” McCarthy said.

When a reporter pointed out that Trump did not condemn Fuentes or his ideology, McCarthy said, “Well, I condemn his ideology. It has no place in society at all.”

“The president can have meetings with who he wants,” McCarthy said when asked to clarify his position on Trump’s dinner guests. “But I don’t think anybody should have a meeting with Nick Fuentes. And his views are nowhere within the Republican Party or within this country itself.”

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House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy, R-Calif., speaks to reporters at the White House on Tuesday. (Kevin Dietsch/Getty Images)

Fuentes, a 24-year-old Holocaust denier who has also made hateful comments about Black people and other minorities, is a popular figure on the far-right fringe. He has also been critical of McCarthy’s pursuit of the speakership.

“President Trump was wrong to give a white nationalist, an antisemite, a Holocaust denier, a seat at the table,” former Vice President Mike Pence said in an interview with News Nation on Monday. “I think he should apologize for it and he should denounce those individuals and their hateful rhetoric.”

McCarthy was also asked about Trump's decision to meet with Ye after the rapper's antisemitic remarks earlier this month.

“I don’t think those are right comments,” McCarthy said. “And I don’t think you should associate with him as well.”

Trump, who recently announced his third campaign for president, defended himself in a series of posts on Truth Social, his social media network. He noted that Ye has praised him on Fox News.

“Ye, formerly known as Kanye West, was asking me for advice concerning some of his difficulties, in particular having to do with his business,” Trump wrote. “We also discussed, to a lesser extent, politics, where I told him he should definitely not run for President, 'any voters you may have should vote for TRUMP.' Anyway, we got along great, he expressed no anti-Semitism, & I appreciated all of the nice things he said about me on 'Tucker Carlson.' Why wouldn’t I agree to meet? Also, I didn’t know Nick Fuentes.”

Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer excoriated Trump for failing to denounce Fuentes's ideological views.

“He didn't know that this virulent antisemite, this vicious man, Fuentes, was coming to dinner. But now he knows he was at dinner, and he still hasn't denounced it,” Schumer said. “That is just an utter disgrace.”

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Not an op-ed Ironman....😉

Oath Keepers Leader Convicted of Sedition in Landmark Jan. 6 Case

A jury in federal court in Washington convicted Stewart Rhodes, the leader of the far-right militia, and one of his subordinates for a plot to keep Donald Trump in power.

 

Stewart Rhodes wearing a hat that reads “Oath Keepers,” a blue shirt and an eye patch.

Nov. 29, 2022Updated 5:59 p.m. ET
 

Stewart Rhodes, the leader of the far-right Oath Keepers militia, and one of his subordinates were convicted on Tuesday of seditious conspiracy as a jury found them guilty of seeking to keep former President Donald J. Trump in power through a plot that started after the 2020 election and culminated in the mob attack on the Capitol.

But the jury in Federal District Court in Washington found three other defendants in the case not guilty of sedition and acquitted Mr. Rhodes of two separate conspiracy charges.

The split verdicts, coming after three days of deliberations, were nonetheless a victory for the Justice Department and the first time in nearly 20 trials related to the Capitol attack that a jury decided that the violence that erupted on Jan. 6, 2021, was the product of an organized conspiracy.

Seditious conspiracy is the most serious charge brought so far in any of the 900 criminal cases stemming from the vast investigation of the Capitol attack, an inquiry that could still result in scores, if not hundreds, of additional arrests. It carries a maximum penalty of 20 years in prison.

 

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20 hours ago, DBP66 said:

LOL...Twitter?...the sinking ship?....have fun there Don....they could use a smart guy like you there!....so is Trump back on Twitter??...oh...that's right he can't leave his new "truth" forum....LOL...oh the irony Trump has to stick with "truth" forum now...😉

No matter how many times Concha tries to lie and say Russia was a hoax/nuclear docs was a hoax, it is still a lie.  Wtf is wrong with these people?  

Trump admits to taking documents and Concha still says it's a hoax.  Russia-Republican initiated and Republican led investigations with reports done by Republicans that all say there was Russian helping Trump and many cases of obstruction by Trump and they can't wrap their tiny brains around it but instead say it was all done by corporate media. 

How fucking stupid is that?  

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4 minutes ago, World Citizen said:

No matter how many times Concha tries to lie and say Russia was a hoax/nuclear docs was a hoax, it is still a lie.  Wtf is wrong with these people?  

Trump admits to taking documents and Concha still says it's a hoax.  Russia-Republican initiated and Republican led investigations with reports done by Republicans that all say there was Russian helping Trump and many cases of obstruction by Trump and they can't wrap their tiny brains around it but instead say it was all done by corporate media. 

How fucking stupid is that?  

Senseless. Quite simple.

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38 minutes ago, World Citizen said:

No matter how many times Concha tries to lie and say Russia was a hoax/nuclear docs was a hoax, it is still a lie.  Wtf is wrong with these people?  

Trump admits to taking documents and Concha still says it's a hoax.  Russia-Republican initiated and Republican led investigations with reports done by Republicans that all say there was Russian helping Trump and many cases of obstruction by Trump and they can't wrap their tiny brains around it but instead say it was all done by corporate media. 

How fucking stupid is that?  

I hear you...Trump puts some powerful s*it in the Kool-Aid his clowns drink...a guy who told over 30,000 lies in 4 years and they swear everything he says is a fact?....brainwashed is all I can say....the proof is in the pudding...look at the ridiculous responses these Trump clowns here give us...SAD times in America.

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26 minutes ago, World Citizen said:

No matter how many times Concha tries to lie and say Russia was a hoax/nuclear docs was a hoax, it is still a lie.  Wtf is wrong with these people?  

Trump admits to taking documents and Concha still says it's a hoax.  Russia-Republican initiated and Republican led investigations with reports done by Republicans that all say there was Russian helping Trump and many cases of obstruction by Trump and they can't wrap their tiny brains around it but instead say it was all done by corporate media. 

How fucking stupid is that?  

 

The fact is that the biggest Russia hoax was bought and paid for by the Hildabeast campaign.  Knowing it was bullshit, they leveraged their minions in the mainstream media and the DNC to lie about it and torture the country for YEARS. This is the same woman who ran a foundation taking millions from Russian oligarchs and whose husband benefitted from Russian largesse.  When she lost the election and got kicked to the curb, what happened? Shocker. No more Russian oligarch money and no more foundation.

I have commented little to nothing regarding nuke docs, though its gotten pretty quiet.

 

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37 minutes ago, concha said:

 

The fact is that the biggest Russia hoax was bought and paid for by the Hildabeast campaign.  Knowing it was bullshit, they leveraged their minions in the mainstream media and the DNC to lie about it and torture the country for YEARS. This is the same woman who ran a foundation taking millions from Russian oligarchs and whose husband benefitted from Russian largesse.  When she lost the election and got kicked to the curb, what happened? Shocker. No more Russian oligarch money and no more foundation.

I have commented little to nothing regarding nuke docs, though its gotten pretty quiet.

 

LOL..37 indicted Russians...Jr met with Russian spies in Trump Tower...millions spent on social media to help get Trump elected but it was all B.S. because Trump said so....Russia was REAL champ....🙄

and you're still stuck on Hillary?!?..LOL...silly Trumper...🤡

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Ex-Secret Service agent testifies to Jan. 6 committee about Trump’s demand to lead Capitol attack

 
 
Dave Goldiner, New York Daily News
Tue, November 29, 2022 at 4:23 PM
 
 

Ex-White House official and Secret Service agent Tony Ornato faced a grilling Tuesday from the Jan. 6 committee about former President Donald Trump’s demands to be taken to lead the storming of the Capitol.

Ornato was sure to be asked about the bombshell testimony of White House aide Cassidy Hutchinson, who testified that Ornato related that an irate Trump physically accosted another agent who refused to drive him to the Capitol as the violent attack unfolded.

There was no immediate word on what Ornato, known as a loyal supporter of Trump, may have told lawmakers Tuesday.

Ornato, who later retired, was evasive about the crucial incident in two previous interviews with the committee and was a much less convincing witness than the poised and confident Hutchinson, lawmakers have said.

 

“There are some concerning things with the [Secret] Service and whether or not some of the members were not quite forthcoming with respect to what actually occurred,” Rep. Bennie Thompson (D-Miss.), the committee’s chairman, said.

“His memory does not appear to be as precise as hers,” committee member Rep. Zoe Lofgren (D-Calif.) said.

Hutchinson provided the biggest bombshell of the committee hearings when she testified on national TV about a conversation she had with Ornato at the White House on Jan. 6, 2021.

Quoting a senior Secret Service agent, Ornato said Trump lunged at an agent and tried to grab the steering wheel of the presidential SUV when they refused to let him go to the Capitol after a rally at the Ellipse, Hutchinson testified.

“The president said something to the effect of, ‘I’m the effing president, take me up to the Capitol now,’ ” Hutchinson told lawmakers in the dramatic session last summer.

The account from Hutchinson about a physical altercation was disputed by Secret Service officials, although they resisted testifying under oath.

The officials do not dispute, however, that Trump angrily demanded to be taken to the Capitol to join a mob of thousands of his supporters who wanted to prevent Congress from certifying President Biden’s win in the 2020 election.

Lawmakers were also seeking Ornato’s testimony as they dig deeper into what the Secret Service knew about the attack on the Capitol, including text messages between agents that were inexplicably deleted during what agency officials claim was a preplanned tech upgrade.x

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4 hours ago, DBP66 said:

Ex-Secret Service agent testifies to Jan. 6 committee about Trump’s demand to lead Capitol attack

 
 
Dave Goldiner, New York Daily News
Tue, November 29, 2022 at 4:23 PM
 
 

Ex-White House official and Secret Service agent Tony Ornato faced a grilling Tuesday from the Jan. 6 committee about former President Donald Trump’s demands to be taken to lead the storming of the Capitol.

Ornato was sure to be asked about the bombshell testimony of White House aide Cassidy Hutchinson, who testified that Ornato related that an irate Trump physically accosted another agent who refused to drive him to the Capitol as the violent attack unfolded.

There was no immediate word on what Ornato, known as a loyal supporter of Trump, may have told lawmakers Tuesday.

Ornato, who later retired, was evasive about the crucial incident in two previous interviews with the committee and was a much less convincing witness than the poised and confident Hutchinson, lawmakers have said.

 

“There are some concerning things with the [Secret] Service and whether or not some of the members were not quite forthcoming with respect to what actually occurred,” Rep. Bennie Thompson (D-Miss.), the committee’s chairman, said.

“His memory does not appear to be as precise as hers,” committee member Rep. Zoe Lofgren (D-Calif.) said.

Hutchinson provided the biggest bombshell of the committee hearings when she testified on national TV about a conversation she had with Ornato at the White House on Jan. 6, 2021.

Quoting a senior Secret Service agent, Ornato said Trump lunged at an agent and tried to grab the steering wheel of the presidential SUV when they refused to let him go to the Capitol after a rally at the Ellipse, Hutchinson testified.

“The president said something to the effect of, ‘I’m the effing president, take me up to the Capitol now,’ ” Hutchinson told lawmakers in the dramatic session last summer.

The account from Hutchinson about a physical altercation was disputed by Secret Service officials, although they resisted testifying under oath.

The officials do not dispute, however, that Trump angrily demanded to be taken to the Capitol to join a mob of thousands of his supporters who wanted to prevent Congress from certifying President Biden’s win in the 2020 election.

Lawmakers were also seeking Ornato’s testimony as they dig deeper into what the Secret Service knew about the attack on the Capitol, including text messages between agents that were inexplicably deleted during what agency officials claim was a preplanned tech upgrade.x

Get him yet? How about those Nuclear docs you and Big Black told us all about…almost December. Anything?

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Nothing to see here Ironman and Warrior....it's all "fake" news!...🤡...🤡

Criminal tax fraud trial of 2 Trump companies coming to a close after emotional testimony by ex-CFO

 
 
Kevin McCoy, USA TODAY
Thu, December 1, 2022 at 5:00 AM
 
 

NEW YORK - Defense lawyers for two of former President Donald Trump's companies and Manhattan prosecutors are scheduled to make closing arguments Thursday as a criminal tax fraud trial involving the companies winds toward a close.

Summing up just over a month of trial testimony and evidence, the opposing legal teams will try to convince the eight-man, four-woman jury that what they heard and saw justifies either a conviction or acquittal.

A guilty finding could hit the companies with up to an estimated $1.6 million in criminal penalties and tar the reputation of Trump's namesake firms with a criminal conviction.

The case arises from a July 2021 indictment that accused longtime Trump financial lieutenant Allen Weisselberg, the Trump Corporation and the Trump Payroll Corporation of participating in a more than decade-long tax fraud scheme that benefited top executives while producing financial benefits for the companies. Weisselberg is no longer CFO of the Trump Organization, though he is still employed by the Trump business empire.

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The alleged crimes included untaxed perks that enabled Weisselberg and other top Trump executives to get company-paid Manhattan apartments and luxury cars, which they did not report as income. They also received thousands of dollars in tax-free payments.

Allen Weisselberg stands between President-elect Donald Trump  and Donald Trump Jr. in the lobby of Trump Tower in New York on Jan. 11, 2017.
 
Allen Weisselberg stands between President-elect Donald Trump and Donald Trump Jr. in the lobby of Trump Tower in New York on Jan. 11, 2017.

Trump was not charged in the case, and did not appear in court during the trial. However, he criticized the prosecution in a Thanksgiving week posting on Truth Social. The end of the trial comes just weeks after Trump announced he is running for president again in 2024 and amid a flurry of other recent developments in civil and criminal matters involving Trump.

Weisselberg pleaded guilty in August to all 15 charges against him as part of an agreement with prosecutors. He admitted he concealed $1.76 million in income through the alleged scheme. The deal is expected to enable Weisselberg to serve roughly 100 days in jail, far less than the maximum 15-year prison term he could have faced.

That made Weisselberg the trial's focal point. He was the star witness for the Manhattan District Attorney's Office. And he was the chief target of attack for the Trump companies' legal teams.

Weisselberg, 75, helped both sides score points.

Former CFO Allen Weisselberg leaves the courtroom for a lunch recess during a trial at the New York Supreme Court on November 17, 2022 in New York City.
 
Former CFO Allen Weisselberg leaves the courtroom for a lunch recess during a trial at the New York Supreme Court on November 17, 2022 in New York City.

Still receiving his six-figure salary on a paid leave from the Trump Organization, he testified under cross-examination by defense lawyers that he'd acted out of his own greed, seeking pre-tax dollars. The defense characterized his conduct as a Weisselberg plot that was hidden from the companies.

In one of the trial's most dramatic moments, defense lawyer Alan Futerfas noted that Weisselberg had worked for the Trump family for nearly 50 years, becoming the most trusted person in the organization who lacked the Trump surname.

"Mr. Weisselberg, did you honor the trust that was placed in you?" asked Futerfas.

Weisselberg admitted he had not.

"And you did it for your own personal gain?" asked the defense lawyer.

"I did," said Weisselberg, who appeared to fight back tears.

However, during direct examination by prosecutor Susan Hoffinger, Weisselberg acknowledged that the companies had received some benefit from the alleged tax scheme.

Reducing his salary to cover some tax-free perks paid by the company benefited him - but also produced lower payroll costs, as well as savings in the Medicare portion of payroll taxes that are paid by employers, Weisselberg testified.

A New York state law that defines when corporations are deemed to have committed crimes is central to the case. Part of the law says corporations may be liable if the alleged criminal conduct was "engaged in ... by a high managerial agent acting within the scope of his employment and in behalf of the corporation."

Both sides re-debated the meaning of "in benefit of" during a Tuesday conference about the legal instructions that Acting Manhattan Supreme Court Justice Juan Merchan is scheduled to deliver to the jury on Monday.

During that session, without jurors present, the trial judge noted that a defense team review of archived state legislative material appeared to leave the precise meaning unclear.

Merchan ultimately gave something to both sides. He said prosecutors would need to show jurors there had been "some intent to benefit" the corporations. But defense attorneys "can't overstate what that intent was," added Merchan.

The jury will also have to decide other issues. For example, Weisselberg pleaded guilty to a scheme to defraud. But who was his co-schemer?

That could be Jeffrey McConney, the Trump Organization controller, whose testimony also gave both sides some of what they wanted. Testifying under a grant of immunity from  prosecution, McConney admitted he knew the tax-ducking tactics he carried out were illegal.

However, McConney also testified that he simply followed instructions from Weisselberg, who was his boss, and said he didn't alert other company officials.

Trump Organization senior vice president and controller Jeffrey McConney returns to the courthouse after a break in the company's trial, Tuesday, Nov. 1, 2022, in New York.
 
Trump Organization senior vice president and controller Jeffrey McConney returns to the courthouse after a break in the company's trial, Tuesday, Nov. 1, 2022, in New York.

The legal teams also battled during the trial over what blame for the alleged crimes, if any, should be assigned to Mazars, an international audit, tax and advisory firm that previously held the lucrative account for the dozens of Trump businesses.

Defense lawyers pointed to language in the Mazars engagement letter that seemed to indicate the company would flag potential illegal conduct. Prosecutors cited other written language that said the Trump companies were responsible for providing accurate financial information to Mazars.

Donald Bender, a Mazars partner formerly in charge of the Trump account, testified that the company didn't spot some of the alleged tax-evasion tactics. He said he had been fooled by Weisselberg, whom he had known for many years.

He testified that he was sure he'd never seen Trump Corporation spreadsheets that showed how the company gave Weisselberg and other top executives extra payments by distributing the funds as if the recipients were independent contractors.

Why?

"Because I probably would have had a heart attack," said Bender.

 

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