How embarrassing is it NO ONE on this FORUM had ever heard of Graham-Kapowsin?

[Sammyswordsman]

6 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said:

So you just made it up.

Gotcha.

👌

The point (which you refuse to admit) is that the reason SJB was rated higher than STA (per your statement) was that SJB had more relevant wins.

[Atticus Finch]

1 minute ago, Sammyswordsman said:

The point (which you refuse to admit) is that the reason SJB was rated higher than STA (per your statement) was that SJB had more relevant wins.

SJB has more relevant wins because calpreps rates crappy California teams higher than Florida ones.

Which is our *entire* point.

Feel free the actually address that when you can.

[Atticus Finch]

2 hours ago, Sammyswordsman said:

All of this back and forth is now mute.

[OldTerrapin]

6 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said:

[Sammyswordsman]

7 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said:

SJB has more relevant wins 

Which is our *entire* point.

Feel free the actually address that when you can.

Finally we agree.

 

[GoBigBlack]

47 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said:

Yeah, Catholic schools in California tend to cluster together.

This is Earth-shattering to you, no doubt.

No, what's Earth-shattering is learning that Catholic affiliation is a factor in a football ratings system. Especially considering Orange Lutheran isn't Catholic. But I think we finally found the wrench in the Calpreps system... it's the Lutherans. 🙄

[GoBigBlack]

Let's address these three "easily identifiable biases" one at a time. Starting with #1 -- 

3 hours ago, Atticus Finch said:

A 1-loss team that loses to an undefeated team 

First off, a one-loss team that loses to an undefeated team is not a one-loss team. They are a two-loss team. What you meant to say was "A team whose only loss is to an undefeated team." 

3 hours ago, Atticus Finch said:

A 1-loss team that loses to an undefeated team will remain .2 points behind them until the undefeated team loses

Oh, it "will," will it? Interesting.

Did Duncanville sit .2 points behind Mater Dei for four months until they lost to North Shore last week? Was Westfield only .2 behind Cathedral for nine weeks until Center Grove finally handed them a loss? Was Bowie rated just ever so slightly behind Westlake after week six when when the Chaps beat them and they were 6-1 and 7-0, respectively? No, they sure weren't. 

If you're suggesting there is some sort of impenetrable forcefield built into the Calpreps ratings that prevents a team from overtaking an undefeated team they lost to until that team loses, well, you're just plain wrong. Nothing like that exists, and you're fabricating things to make yourself feel better.

 

 

[GoBigBlack]

11 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said:

SJB has more relevant wins because calpreps rates crappy California teams higher than Florida ones.

Which is our *entire* point.

Feel free the actually address that when you can.

SJB was ranked at the top, and far ahead of STA, way back at the conclusion of the pre league schedule in week 5. That schedule consisted of three teams outside California and two teams inside. The "clustering" that you cry like a bitch about hadn't even started yet, but the ratings were the exact same. It's mind-boggling, isn't it.

[dntn31]

12 minutes ago, GoBigBlack said:

Oh, it "will," will it? Interesting.

Did Duncanville sit .2 points behind Mater Dei for four months until they lost to North Shore last week? Was Westfield only .2 behind Cathedral for nine weeks until Center Grove finally handed them a loss? Was Bowie rated just ever so slightly behind Westlake after week six when when the Chaps beat them and they were 6-1 and 7-0, respectively? No, they sure weren't. 

If you're suggesting there is some sort of impenetrable forcefield built into the Calpreps ratings that prevents a team from overtaking an undefeated team they lost to until that team loses, well, you're just plain wrong. Nothing like that exists, and you're fabricating things to make yourself feel better.

This is actually a thing, but only comes into play when CalPreps would otherwise deem the losing team to be the "stronger" team - i.e., an upset. All of the examples you listed are where CalPreps deemed the winning team to be the "stronger" team.

[Atticus Finch]

18 minutes ago, Sammyswordsman said:

Finally we agree.

[GoBigBlack]

Just now, dntn31 said:

This is actually a thing, but only comes into play when CalPreps would otherwise deem the losing team to be the "stronger" team 6l- i.e., an upset. All of the examples you listed are where CalPreps deemed the winning team to be the "stronger" team.

So under this scenario -

Mater Dei loses to East High School in Anchorage 21-20 in week 1

Mater Dei finishes 15-1 and wins the rest of their games (SoS of 70.7) by scores of 55-0

East finishes 15-0 and wins the rest of their games (SoS of -2.4) by scores of 21-20

 

In this scenario, East would be national champions and rated .2 ahead of Mater Dei?

[Atticus Finch]

19 minutes ago, GoBigBlack said:

No, what's Earth-shattering is learning that Catholic affiliation is a factor in a football ratings system. 

I think you're being purposefully obtuse because you've been proven to be so incompetent and this is your coping mechanism.

Catholic schools, on average, take football more serious than almost any other cohort. Ones in big metro areas have better *players* than almost any other cohort on average.

Those schools cluster together into leagues in many places (California being one of them).

This means that they will play each other at least once and many times *twice* in the same season.

This leads to ratings inflation.

[Atticus Finch]

21 minutes ago, GoBigBlack said:

Especially considering Orange Lutheran isn't Catholic. But I think we finally found the wrench in the Calpreps system... it's the Lutherans. 🙄

This is just you lashing out because you were exposed earlier.

It's going to be OK.

[dntn31]

Just now, GoBigBlack said:

So under this scenario -

Mater Dei loses to East High School in Anchorage 21-20 in week 1

Mater Dei finishes 15-1 and wins the rest of their games (SoS of 70.7) by scores of 55-0

East finishes 15-0 and wins the rest of their games (SoS of -2.4) by scores of 21-20

 

In this scenario, East would be national champions and rated .2 ahead of Mater Dei?

Almost certainly not, Mater Dei would be drug down to wherever East is rated minus 0.2...

[Atticus Finch]

26 minutes ago, GoBigBlack said:

First off, a one-loss team that loses to an undefeated team is not a one-loss team. They are a two-loss team. What you meant to say was "A team whose only loss is to an undefeated team." 

Yes, which my example showed.

Again, this is just you nitpicking because you're utterly exposed and lost.

This is not going to turn out well for you if you're doing this in the first sentence.

[Atticus Finch]

23 minutes ago, GoBigBlack said:

Oh, it "will," will it? Interesting.

Did Duncanville sit .2 points behind Mater Dei for four months until they lost to North Shore last week?

No, because Mater Dei was rated higher than Duncanville to begin with.

[Atticus Finch]

24 minutes ago, GoBigBlack said:

If you're suggesting there is some sort of impenetrable forcefield built into the Calpreps ratings that prevents a team from overtaking an undefeated team they lost to until that team loses, well, you're just plain wrong. Nothing like that exists, and you're fabricating things to make yourself feel better.

This has been proven.

You're wrong, again.

I bet you'll whine and cry about it for several pages.

[GoBigBlack]

2 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said:

I think you're being purposefully obtuse because you've been proven to be so incompetent and this is your coping mechanism.

Catholic schools, on average, take football more serious than almost any other cohort. Ones in big metro areas have better *players* than almost any other cohort on average.

Those schools cluster together into leagues in many places (California being one of them).

This means that they will play each other at least once and many times *twice* in the same season.

This leads to ratings inflation.

Whoosh.

It seems, to me at least, that the teams that take football seriously tend to be... the good teams. 

[Atticus Finch]

20 minutes ago, GoBigBlack said:

SJB was ranked at the top, and far ahead of STA, way back at the conclusion of the pre league schedule in week 5. 

Because their starting rate was higher.

Which is because the scale for California is higher than Florida.

I love that you think this is a "win" for you.

[GoBigBlack]

1 minute ago, Atticus Finch said:

No, because Mater Dei was rated higher than Duncanville to begin with.

The starting rating is washed out after week 5.

[Atticus Finch]

13 minutes ago, dntn31 said:

This is actually a thing, but only comes into play when CalPreps would otherwise deem the losing team to be the "stronger" team - i.e., an upset. All of the examples you listed are where CalPreps deemed the winning team to be the "stronger" team.

Correct.

[GoBigBlack]

Just now, Atticus Finch said:

Because their starting rate was higher.

Which is because the scale for California is higher than Florida.

I love that you think this is a "win" for you.

The starting rating isn't a factor when league starts.

[Atticus Finch]

4 minutes ago, dntn31 said:

Almost certainly not, Mater Dei would be drug down to wherever East is rated minus 0.2...

Correct, again.

[golfaddict1]

https://masseyratings.com/hsf/ratings?c=1

An inside joke with my family is the word doozy... it sure fits with Ken Massey's attempt at something here.   

GIGO... there is always human scaling involved, so if your last name ends in Freeman or Massey... different outcomes will result.   

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

OK...

Here's the top 14  

John Rambo was successful locating California... click the link and see what condition he found them in lol (keep scrolling, you didn't miss them yet).     

 

 

 

 

 

[Atticus Finch]

1 minute ago, GoBigBlack said:

Whoosh.

It seems, to me at least, that the teams that take football seriously tend to be... the good teams. 

And those are disproportionately Catholic schools in big urban areas.

New Jersey has the same phenomenon but at much less of a scale than California. Their Catholics are inflated too to an extent but they don't have the open playoffs and open bowls to inflate them with playoff boosts.