badrouter Posted December 19, 2021 Report Share Posted December 19, 2021 None of us had ever heard of them, and they had beaten nobody with any sort of ranking. But, they destroyed everyone they played. Turns out, being an undefeated, unchallenged state champion can mean you're pretty damn good, whether anyone else realizes it or not. I think there are a few Graham-Kapowsins throughout the country most years. And that is the correct way to interpret their win, not just to laugh at Collins Hill. We can't possibly know all there is to know about all of the teams throughout the country. And, contrary to common belief, a team doesn't have to schedule Mater Dei or St. John Bosco to be really good. GK should be top 15 in the country at worst. 2 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ararar Posted December 19, 2021 Report Share Posted December 19, 2021 23 minutes ago, badrouter said: None of us had ever heard of them, and they had beaten nobody with any sort of ranking. But, they destroyed everyone they played. Turns out, being an undefeated, unchallenged state champion can mean you're pretty damn good, whether anyone else realizes it or not. I think there are a few Graham-Kapowsins throughout the country most years. And that is the correct way to interpret their win, not just to laugh at Collins Hill. We can't possibly know all there is to know about all of the teams throughout the country. And, contrary to common belief, a team doesn't have to schedule Mater Dei or St. John Bosco to be really good. GK should be top 15 in the country at worst. Or CH was just badly overrated and shouldn’t have been in the top 25 let alone top 5 3 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Extremely Humble Posted December 19, 2021 Report Share Posted December 19, 2021 Why did Sammy like your post? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommygun58 Posted December 19, 2021 Report Share Posted December 19, 2021 If Graham Cracker Pie Crust vs CH was in the pick ems how many would have had CH as a 10? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTerrapin Posted December 19, 2021 Report Share Posted December 19, 2021 so will "getting Kapow'd" replace "getting Norcrossed"? Or do we need a different scenario for getting KaPow'd 1 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rippers Posted December 19, 2021 Report Share Posted December 19, 2021 50 minutes ago, badrouter said: None of us had ever heard of them, I've heard of them, but then again, the school is about 30 miles from my house. The UW starting QB the last couple of seasons is an alum. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badrouter Posted December 19, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2021 28 minutes ago, Ararar said: Or CH was just badly overrated and shouldn’t have been in the top 25 let alone top 5 CH was an undefeated, mostly unchallenged large class state champion from power state Georgia. It is not possible for them to not be an excellent *high school* football team on a national level. So, your premise is dismissed. They remain a top 25 team nationally in sane rankings lists. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawgGoneIt Posted December 19, 2021 Report Share Posted December 19, 2021 1 hour ago, badrouter said: CH was an undefeated, mostly unchallenged large class state champion from power state Georgia. It is not possible for them to not be an excellent *high school* football team on a national level. So, your premise is dismissed. They remain a top 25 team nationally in sane rankings lists. They did roll fairly easily on "challenged" Milton in their state championship game. I think the score was 24 to 8. I really don't get the argument that if a pollster had Collins Hill in their top ten they were a "lazy poll" for not peeling the onion back and seeing they were unchallenged or not properly vetted. Seems to me, demanding a vetting makes you more lazy than the others as a pollster. It's clearly more difficult to identify who is better than who when they don't play. Anyway, it's not silly to think Georgia is a top 5 power state, and then to decide from that, their top team likely fits easily into the top 5 to 10 in the country. It's not lazy either. It's common sense application and a pretty logical assumption. Having said that, losing to GK shouldn't take away from that common sense application but should most likely elevate GK moreso than drop CH. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gospeeder Posted December 19, 2021 Report Share Posted December 19, 2021 1 hour ago, OldTerrapin said: so will "getting Kapow'd" replace "getting Norcrossed"? Or do we need a different scenario for getting KaPow'd Nothing will ever replace "getting Norcrossed". It's burned in the genes of this board... almost to a legendary extent!!! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedZone Posted December 19, 2021 Report Share Posted December 19, 2021 12 minutes ago, HawgGoneIt said: They did roll fairly easily on "challenged" Milton in their state championship game. I think the score was 24 to 8. I really don't get the argument that if a pollster had Collins Hill in their top ten they were a "lazy poll" for not peeling the onion back and seeing they were unchallenged or not properly vetted. Seems to me, demanding a vetting makes you more lazy than the others as a pollster. It's clearly more difficult to identify who is better than who when they don't play. Anyway, it's not silly to think Georgia is a top 5 power state, and then to decide from that, their top team likely fits easily into the top 5 to 10 in the country. It's not lazy either. It's common sense application and a pretty logical assumption. Having said that, losing to GK shouldn't take away from that common sense application but should most likely elevate GK moreso than drop CH. I wonder how many other teams this Washington team may have slipped up on in this event? ...quite a few I would imagine. Good thing the 3A Florida team played the 3-loss Arizona team... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted December 19, 2021 Report Share Posted December 19, 2021 1 hour ago, Extremely Humble said: Why did Sammy like your post? Whatever post you are referring to, if I "liked" it most likely it was a post that contained one or more gems of merit. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted December 19, 2021 Report Share Posted December 19, 2021 25 minutes ago, HawgGoneIt said: They did roll fairly easily on "challenged" Milton in their state championship game. I think the score was 24 to 8. I really don't get the argument that if a pollster had Collins Hill in their top ten they were a "lazy poll" for not peeling the onion back and seeing they were unchallenged or not properly vetted. Seems to me, demanding a vetting makes you more lazy than the others as a pollster. It's clearly more difficult to identify who is better than who when they don't play. Anyway, it's not silly to think Georgia is a top 5 power state, and then to decide from that, their top team likely fits easily into the top 5 to 10 in the country. It's not lazy either. It's common sense application and a pretty logical assumption. Having said that, losing to GK shouldn't take away from that common sense application but should most likely elevate GK moreso than drop CH. I'm ok with Top 10 based on them filling the place holder for winning the Ga 7a. It would have been more compelling if they scheduled a Top 5 Fla team this year. I'm sure some polls will drop them out of the Top 10. Then you will be calling those polls lazy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTerrapin Posted December 19, 2021 Report Share Posted December 19, 2021 CP put GK at 9 and CH at 10 Cali teams 1.2.3.4. Texas teams at 5.6.7.. lol Rank School State League Division W-L League W-L Division W-L Rating Schedule Strength Opponents' W-L 1 Mater Dei (Santa Ana, CA) team preview trend Southern Trinity 1 12-0 5-0 (1st) 6-0 103.9 70.7 108-41 WINS: #2 Servite (Anaheim, CA) (27-7), #2 Servite (Anaheim, CA) (46-37), #3 Centennial (Corona, CA) (21-16), #4 St. John Bosco (Bellflower, CA) (42-21), #7 Duncanville (TX) (45-3), #27 Lutheran (Orange, CA) (55-16), #41 Santa Margarita (Rancho Santa Margarita, CA) (56-3), #42 Serra [Junipero] (San Mateo, CA) (44-7), #50 Norco (CA) (49-14), #133 Liberty (Henderson, NV) (49-7), #205 JSerra (San Juan Capistrano, CA) (56-14), #2948 La Mirada (CA) (58-7), LOSSES: none 2 Servite (Anaheim, CA) team preview trend Southern Trinity 1 10-3 3-2 (3rd) 4-3 91.3 73.4 110-46 WINS: #4 St. John Bosco (Bellflower, CA) (40-21), #25 Mission Viejo (CA) (44-7), #27 Lutheran (Orange, CA) (56-12), #41 Santa Margarita (Rancho Santa Margarita, CA) (48-21), #41 Santa Margarita (Rancho Santa Margarita, CA) (34-3), #48 Sierra Canyon (Chatsworth, CA) (44-22), #73 Bishop Amat (La Puente, CA) (58-7), #109 Edison (Huntington Beach, CA) (54-14), #205 JSerra (San Juan Capistrano, CA) (53-0), #364 Helix (La Mesa, CA) (42-7), LOSSES: #1 Mater Dei (Santa Ana, CA) (46-37), #1 Mater Dei (Santa Ana, CA) (27-7), #4 St. John Bosco (Bellflower, CA) (24-10) 3 Centennial (Corona, CA) team preview trend Southern Big VIII 1 11-1 5-0 (1st) 2-1 89.6 55.1 86-52 WINS: #13 Cathedral (San Diego, CA) (57-14), #25 Mission Viejo (CA) (62-16), #48 Sierra Canyon (Chatsworth, CA) (35-14), #50 Norco (CA) (48-24), #94 Poly (Long Beach, CA) (52-7), #205 JSerra (San Juan Capistrano, CA) (48-0), #467 Roosevelt [Eleanor] (Eastvale, CA) (64-0), #603 Citrus Valley (Redlands, CA) (63-20), #2639 Santiago (Corona, CA) (69-14), #3489 King [Dr. Martin Luther] (Riverside, CA) (84-0), #4656 Corona (CA) (64-0), LOSSES: #1 Mater Dei (Santa Ana, CA) (21-16) 4 St. John Bosco (Bellflower, CA) team preview trend Southern Trinity 1 10-2 4-1 (2nd) 3-2 85.7 70.5 112-40 WINS: #2 Servite (Anaheim, CA) (24-10), #27 Lutheran (Orange, CA) (49-25), #32 Central (Miami, FL) (35-12), #35 Alemany (Mission Hills, CA) (24-3), #41 Santa Margarita (Rancho Santa Margarita, CA) (41-16), #63 Los Alamitos (CA) (63-38), #72 Smith [Oscar] (Chesapeake, VA) (49-0), #73 Bishop Amat (La Puente, CA) (47-7), #124 East St. Louis (IL) (42-26), #205 JSerra (San Juan Capistrano, CA) (44-7), LOSSES: #1 Mater Dei (Santa Ana, CA) (42-21), #2 Servite (Anaheim, CA) (40-21) 5 Westlake (Austin, TX) team preview trend Texas 6A Region IV District 26 6A 16-0 7-0 (1st) 15-0 80.1 38.1 133-67 WINS: #33 Guyer [John H.] (Denton, TX) (40-21), #54 Katy (TX) (45-14), #110 Vandegrift (Austin, TX) (70-7), #126 Lake Travis (Austin, TX) (63-21), #229 Summit (Arlington, TX) (59-21), #237 Trinity (Euless, TX) (34-14), #368 Temple (TX) (54-13), #576 Bowie (Austin, TX) (35-0), #746 New Braunfels (TX) (70-7), #1230 Pharr-San Juan-Alamo North (Pharr, TX) (56-0), #1535 Hutto (TX) (54-9), #2221 San Marcos (TX) (56-0), #3497 Hays [Jack C.] (Buda, TX) (77-0), #4489 Del Valle (TX) (63-6), #5044 Akins (Austin, TX) (55-6), #7458 Austin [Stephen F.] (Austin, TX) (77-3), LOSSES: none 6 North Shore (Houston, TX) team preview trend Texas 6A Region III District 21 6A 15-1 6-0 (1st) 15-1 75.5 46 134-65 WINS: #7 Duncanville (TX) (17-10), #56 Atascocita (Humble, TX) (31-21), #56 Atascocita (Humble, TX) (44-20), #126 Lake Travis (Austin, TX) (49-21), #143 Tompkins (Katy, TX) (26-20), #178 King [C. E.] (Houston, TX) (17-0), #245 Summer Creek (Houston, TX) (45-16), #463 Klein Collins (Spring, TX) (34-7), #568 Clear Springs (League City, TX) (41-13), #566 Klein Oak (Spring, TX) (58-34), #690 Shadow Creek (Pearland, TX) (33-10), #1253 West Brook (Beaumont, TX) (44-7), #1707 Dobie [J. Frank] (Houston, TX) (62-14), #4007 Kingwood (TX) (56-0), #4492 Humble (TX) (68-6), LOSSES: #96 Westfield (Houston, TX) (27-21) 7 Duncanville (TX) team preview trend Texas 6A Region II District 11 6A 13-2 7-0 (1st) 12-1 75.1 47.1 124-63 WINS: #18 Carroll (Southlake, TX) (35-9), #53 South Oak Cliff (Dallas, TX) (42-27), #64 DeSoto (TX) (42-21), #64 DeSoto (TX) (38-20), #162 Spring (TX) (42-7), #646 Cedar Hill (TX) (58-7), #954 Mesquite (TX) (52-2), #1058 Waxahachie (TX) (52-3), #1537 Lake Ridge (Mansfield, TX) (59-0), #1633 Belton (TX) (63-7), #1862 Mansfield (TX) (63-17), #3271 Midway (Waco, TX) (76-0), #6358 Waco (TX) (76-0), LOSSES: #1 Mater Dei (Santa Ana, CA) (45-3), #6 North Shore (Houston, TX) (17-10) 8 Venice (FL) team preview trend Florida 8A District 12 8A 14-1 4-0 (1st) 9-0 74.0 38.9 113-61 WINS: #78 Apopka (FL) (35-7), #114 Cocoa (FL) (21-20), #166 West Orange (Winter Garden, FL) (49-7), #228 Columbus [Christopher] (Miami, FL) (35-7), #295 Edgewater (Orlando, FL) (41-7), #342 Riverview (Sarasota, FL) (56-14), #342 Riverview (Sarasota, FL) (42-7), #638 Palmetto (FL) (35-10), #1457 Plant City (FL) (55-7), #2297 Sarasota (FL) (49-13), #2437 Manatee (Bradenton, FL) (41-8), #3252 Gulf Coast (Naples, FL) (56-6), #3730 North Fort Myers (FL) (60-7), #6184 Lakewood Ranch (Bradenton, FL) (61-7), LOSSES: #65 Cardinal Gibbons (Fort Lauderdale, FL) (28-22) 9 Graham-Kapowsin (Graham, WA) team preview trend Washington 4A South Puget Sound 4A 15-0 9-0 (1st) 14-0 73.8 22.6 99-64 WINS: #10 Collins Hill (Suwanee, GA) (40-36), #303 Lake Stevens (WA) (44-7), #461 Kamiakin (Kennewick, WA) (42-0), #816 Sumner (WA) (41-14), #864 Bothell (WA) (41-25), #1498 Puyallup (WA) (34-3), #2771 Bellarmine Prep (Tacoma, WA) (41-0), #3185 Emerald Ridge (South Hill, WA) (35-0), #3199 Kentwood (Covington, WA) (49-7), #3930 Curtis (University Place, WA) (58-12), #5774 Bethel (Spanaway, WA) (45-0), #5848 Olympia (WA) (56-0), #7839 Rogers [Governor John R.] (Puyallup, WA) (48-0), #8165 Federal Way (WA) (63-6), #11235 South Kitsap (Port Orchard, WA) (54-0), LOSSES: none 10 Collins Hill (Suwanee, GA) team preview trend Georgia AAAAAAA Region 8 AAAAAAA 15-1 4-0 (1st) 12-0 73.6 47.6 130-62-1 WINS: #24 Milton (GA) (24-8), #43 Mill Creek (Hoschton, GA) (40-10), #86 Brookwood (Snellville, GA) (36-10), #118 Grayson (Loganville, GA) (31-0), #130 Lowndes (Valdosta, GA) (49-7), #221 Greenville Christian (Greenville, MS) (37-22), #293 North Gwinnett (Suwanee, GA) (35-7), #400 Pebblebrook (Mableton, GA) (48-6), #569 Rome (GA) (34-0), #652 Lambert (Suwanee, GA) (56-13), #726 East Coweta (Sharpsburg, GA) (34-0), #1003 Mountain View (Lawrenceville, GA) (28-0), #1577 Alpharetta (GA) (42-0), #2649 Peachtree Ridge (Suwanee, GA) (63-0), #4307 Sprayberry (Marietta, GA) (2-0), LOSSES: #9 Graham-Kapowsin (Graham, WA) (40-36) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMaximumHornetSting Posted December 19, 2021 Report Share Posted December 19, 2021 8 minutes ago, Sammyswordsman said: I'm ok with Top 10 based on them filling the place holder for winning the Ga 7a. It would have been more compelling if they scheduled a Top 5 Fla team this year. I'm sure some polls will drop them out of the Top 10. Then you will be calling those polls lazy. Hawg probably wont... I wont... I doubt any Georgia poster will... The only one calling em Lazy is you.... Let's not forget unvetted in spite of steamrolling a good Mill Creek and Milton... I will admit I don't think CH is top 5. Never did... I dont think they're the best team in Georgia... Been saying that all season But yall are inconsistent in your ranking criteria and standards... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ararar Posted December 19, 2021 Report Share Posted December 19, 2021 1 hour ago, badrouter said: CH was an undefeated, mostly unchallenged large class state champion from power state Georgia. It is not possible for them to not be an excellent *high school* football team on a national level. So, your premise is dismissed. They remain a top 25 team nationally in sane rankings lists. Which doesn’t exclude them from being highly overrated and only someone with limited thought process would fail to acknowledge that 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
181pl Posted December 19, 2021 Report Share Posted December 19, 2021 21 minutes ago, OldTerrapin said: CP put GK at 9 and CH at 10 Cali teams 1.2.3.4. Texas teams at 5.6.7.. lol Rank School State League Division W-L League W-L Division W-L Rating Schedule Strength Opponents' W-L 1 Mater Dei (Santa Ana, CA) team preview trend Southern Trinity 1 12-0 5-0 (1st) 6-0 103.9 70.7 108-41 WINS: #2 Servite (Anaheim, CA) (27-7), #2 Servite (Anaheim, CA) (46-37), #3 Centennial (Corona, CA) (21-16), #4 St. John Bosco (Bellflower, CA) (42-21), #7 Duncanville (TX) (45-3), #27 Lutheran (Orange, CA) (55-16), #41 Santa Margarita (Rancho Santa Margarita, CA) (56-3), #42 Serra [Junipero] (San Mateo, CA) (44-7), #50 Norco (CA) (49-14), #133 Liberty (Henderson, NV) (49-7), #205 JSerra (San Juan Capistrano, CA) (56-14), #2948 La Mirada (CA) (58-7), LOSSES: none 2 Servite (Anaheim, CA) team preview trend Southern Trinity 1 10-3 3-2 (3rd) 4-3 91.3 73.4 110-46 WINS: #4 St. John Bosco (Bellflower, CA) (40-21), #25 Mission Viejo (CA) (44-7), #27 Lutheran (Orange, CA) (56-12), #41 Santa Margarita (Rancho Santa Margarita, CA) (48-21), #41 Santa Margarita (Rancho Santa Margarita, CA) (34-3), #48 Sierra Canyon (Chatsworth, CA) (44-22), #73 Bishop Amat (La Puente, CA) (58-7), #109 Edison (Huntington Beach, CA) (54-14), #205 JSerra (San Juan Capistrano, CA) (53-0), #364 Helix (La Mesa, CA) (42-7), LOSSES: #1 Mater Dei (Santa Ana, CA) (46-37), #1 Mater Dei (Santa Ana, CA) (27-7), #4 St. John Bosco (Bellflower, CA) (24-10) 3 Centennial (Corona, CA) team preview trend Southern Big VIII 1 11-1 5-0 (1st) 2-1 89.6 55.1 86-52 WINS: #13 Cathedral (San Diego, CA) (57-14), #25 Mission Viejo (CA) (62-16), #48 Sierra Canyon (Chatsworth, CA) (35-14), #50 Norco (CA) (48-24), #94 Poly (Long Beach, CA) (52-7), #205 JSerra (San Juan Capistrano, CA) (48-0), #467 Roosevelt [Eleanor] (Eastvale, CA) (64-0), #603 Citrus Valley (Redlands, CA) (63-20), #2639 Santiago (Corona, CA) (69-14), #3489 King [Dr. Martin Luther] (Riverside, CA) (84-0), #4656 Corona (CA) (64-0), LOSSES: #1 Mater Dei (Santa Ana, CA) (21-16) 4 St. John Bosco (Bellflower, CA) team preview trend Southern Trinity 1 10-2 4-1 (2nd) 3-2 85.7 70.5 112-40 WINS: #2 Servite (Anaheim, CA) (24-10), #27 Lutheran (Orange, CA) (49-25), #32 Central (Miami, FL) (35-12), #35 Alemany (Mission Hills, CA) (24-3), #41 Santa Margarita (Rancho Santa Margarita, CA) (41-16), #63 Los Alamitos (CA) (63-38), #72 Smith [Oscar] (Chesapeake, VA) (49-0), #73 Bishop Amat (La Puente, CA) (47-7), #124 East St. Louis (IL) (42-26), #205 JSerra (San Juan Capistrano, CA) (44-7), LOSSES: #1 Mater Dei (Santa Ana, CA) (42-21), #2 Servite (Anaheim, CA) (40-21) 5 Westlake (Austin, TX) team preview trend Texas 6A Region IV District 26 6A 16-0 7-0 (1st) 15-0 80.1 38.1 133-67 WINS: #33 Guyer [John H.] (Denton, TX) (40-21), #54 Katy (TX) (45-14), #110 Vandegrift (Austin, TX) (70-7), #126 Lake Travis (Austin, TX) (63-21), #229 Summit (Arlington, TX) (59-21), #237 Trinity (Euless, TX) (34-14), #368 Temple (TX) (54-13), #576 Bowie (Austin, TX) (35-0), #746 New Braunfels (TX) (70-7), #1230 Pharr-San Juan-Alamo North (Pharr, TX) (56-0), #1535 Hutto (TX) (54-9), #2221 San Marcos (TX) (56-0), #3497 Hays [Jack C.] (Buda, TX) (77-0), #4489 Del Valle (TX) (63-6), #5044 Akins (Austin, TX) (55-6), #7458 Austin [Stephen F.] (Austin, TX) (77-3), LOSSES: none 6 North Shore (Houston, TX) team preview trend Texas 6A Region III District 21 6A 15-1 6-0 (1st) 15-1 75.5 46 134-65 WINS: #7 Duncanville (TX) (17-10), #56 Atascocita (Humble, TX) (31-21), #56 Atascocita (Humble, TX) (44-20), #126 Lake Travis (Austin, TX) (49-21), #143 Tompkins (Katy, TX) (26-20), #178 King [C. E.] (Houston, TX) (17-0), #245 Summer Creek (Houston, TX) (45-16), #463 Klein Collins (Spring, TX) (34-7), #568 Clear Springs (League City, TX) (41-13), #566 Klein Oak (Spring, TX) (58-34), #690 Shadow Creek (Pearland, TX) (33-10), #1253 West Brook (Beaumont, TX) (44-7), #1707 Dobie [J. Frank] (Houston, TX) (62-14), #4007 Kingwood (TX) (56-0), #4492 Humble (TX) (68-6), LOSSES: #96 Westfield (Houston, TX) (27-21) 7 Duncanville (TX) team preview trend Texas 6A Region II District 11 6A 13-2 7-0 (1st) 12-1 75.1 47.1 124-63 WINS: #18 Carroll (Southlake, TX) (35-9), #53 South Oak Cliff (Dallas, TX) (42-27), #64 DeSoto (TX) (42-21), #64 DeSoto (TX) (38-20), #162 Spring (TX) (42-7), #646 Cedar Hill (TX) (58-7), #954 Mesquite (TX) (52-2), #1058 Waxahachie (TX) (52-3), #1537 Lake Ridge (Mansfield, TX) (59-0), #1633 Belton (TX) (63-7), #1862 Mansfield (TX) (63-17), #3271 Midway (Waco, TX) (76-0), #6358 Waco (TX) (76-0), LOSSES: #1 Mater Dei (Santa Ana, CA) (45-3), #6 North Shore (Houston, TX) (17-10) 8 Venice (FL) team preview trend Florida 8A District 12 8A 14-1 4-0 (1st) 9-0 74.0 38.9 113-61 WINS: #78 Apopka (FL) (35-7), #114 Cocoa (FL) (21-20), #166 West Orange (Winter Garden, FL) (49-7), #228 Columbus [Christopher] (Miami, FL) (35-7), #295 Edgewater (Orlando, FL) (41-7), #342 Riverview (Sarasota, FL) (56-14), #342 Riverview (Sarasota, FL) (42-7), #638 Palmetto (FL) (35-10), #1457 Plant City (FL) (55-7), #2297 Sarasota (FL) (49-13), #2437 Manatee (Bradenton, FL) (41-8), #3252 Gulf Coast (Naples, FL) (56-6), #3730 North Fort Myers (FL) (60-7), #6184 Lakewood Ranch (Bradenton, FL) (61-7), LOSSES: #65 Cardinal Gibbons (Fort Lauderdale, FL) (28-22) 9 Graham-Kapowsin (Graham, WA) team preview trend Washington 4A South Puget Sound 4A 15-0 9-0 (1st) 14-0 73.8 22.6 99-64 WINS: #10 Collins Hill (Suwanee, GA) (40-36), #303 Lake Stevens (WA) (44-7), #461 Kamiakin (Kennewick, WA) (42-0), #816 Sumner (WA) (41-14), #864 Bothell (WA) (41-25), #1498 Puyallup (WA) (34-3), #2771 Bellarmine Prep (Tacoma, WA) (41-0), #3185 Emerald Ridge (South Hill, WA) (35-0), #3199 Kentwood (Covington, WA) (49-7), #3930 Curtis (University Place, WA) (58-12), #5774 Bethel (Spanaway, WA) (45-0), #5848 Olympia (WA) (56-0), #7839 Rogers [Governor John R.] (Puyallup, WA) (48-0), #8165 Federal Way (WA) (63-6), #11235 South Kitsap (Port Orchard, WA) (54-0), LOSSES: none 10 Collins Hill (Suwanee, GA) team preview trend Georgia AAAAAAA Region 8 AAAAAAA 15-1 4-0 (1st) 12-0 73.6 47.6 130-62-1 WINS: #24 Milton (GA) (24-8), #43 Mill Creek (Hoschton, GA) (40-10), #86 Brookwood (Snellville, GA) (36-10), #118 Grayson (Loganville, GA) (31-0), #130 Lowndes (Valdosta, GA) (49-7), #221 Greenville Christian (Greenville, MS) (37-22), #293 North Gwinnett (Suwanee, GA) (35-7), #400 Pebblebrook (Mableton, GA) (48-6), #569 Rome (GA) (34-0), #652 Lambert (Suwanee, GA) (56-13), #726 East Coweta (Sharpsburg, GA) (34-0), #1003 Mountain View (Lawrenceville, GA) (28-0), #1577 Alpharetta (GA) (42-0), #2649 Peachtree Ridge (Suwanee, GA) (63-0), #4307 Sprayberry (Marietta, GA) (2-0), LOSSES: #9 Graham-Kapowsin (Graham, WA) (40-36) This is why absolutely nobody respects cowpups 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTerrapin Posted December 19, 2021 Report Share Posted December 19, 2021 7 minutes ago, 181pl said: This is why absolutely nobody respects cowpups Its silly I know but it is what most the country who may be interested in such things looks at, them and USA Today.. GK wasn't even in the top 25 on CP until after this game. Thats the deal with computer rankings you have to wait until all the games get played for it to matter.. mid season its worthless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted December 19, 2021 Report Share Posted December 19, 2021 6 minutes ago, 181pl said: This is why absolutely nobody respects cowpups Fair enough. Show us your Top 15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMaximumHornetSting Posted December 19, 2021 Report Share Posted December 19, 2021 @Sammyswordsman I will not take away from what Servite has done... They actually did good this season really damn good... But #2 in the country? Cmon... Top 6? Ok maybe I wouldn't fight that one... But #2... That's a stretch 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted December 19, 2021 Report Share Posted December 19, 2021 Just now, TheMaximumHornetSting said: @Sammyswordsman I will not take away from what Servite has done... They actually did good this season really damn good... But #2 in the country? Cmon... Top 6? Ok maybe I wouldn't fight that one... But #2... That's a stretch Fair enough. Who are your top 6? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ga96 Posted December 19, 2021 Report Share Posted December 19, 2021 collins hill won 7A in one of the lowest years in recent memory for 7A. People forget this same team got obliterated last year by those grayson billy goats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badrouter Posted December 19, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2021 1 hour ago, OldTerrapin said: CP put GK at 9 and CH at 10 Cali teams 1.2.3.4. Texas teams at 5.6.7.. lol Rank School State League Division W-L League W-L Division W-L Rating Schedule Strength Opponents' W-L 1 Mater Dei (Santa Ana, CA) team preview trend Southern Trinity 1 12-0 5-0 (1st) 6-0 103.9 70.7 108-41 WINS: #2 Servite (Anaheim, CA) (27-7), #2 Servite (Anaheim, CA) (46-37), #3 Centennial (Corona, CA) (21-16), #4 St. John Bosco (Bellflower, CA) (42-21), #7 Duncanville (TX) (45-3), #27 Lutheran (Orange, CA) (55-16), #41 Santa Margarita (Rancho Santa Margarita, CA) (56-3), #42 Serra [Junipero] (San Mateo, CA) (44-7), #50 Norco (CA) (49-14), #133 Liberty (Henderson, NV) (49-7), #205 JSerra (San Juan Capistrano, CA) (56-14), #2948 La Mirada (CA) (58-7), LOSSES: none 2 Servite (Anaheim, CA) team preview trend Southern Trinity 1 10-3 3-2 (3rd) 4-3 91.3 73.4 110-46 WINS: #4 St. John Bosco (Bellflower, CA) (40-21), #25 Mission Viejo (CA) (44-7), #27 Lutheran (Orange, CA) (56-12), #41 Santa Margarita (Rancho Santa Margarita, CA) (48-21), #41 Santa Margarita (Rancho Santa Margarita, CA) (34-3), #48 Sierra Canyon (Chatsworth, CA) (44-22), #73 Bishop Amat (La Puente, CA) (58-7), #109 Edison (Huntington Beach, CA) (54-14), #205 JSerra (San Juan Capistrano, CA) (53-0), #364 Helix (La Mesa, CA) (42-7), LOSSES: #1 Mater Dei (Santa Ana, CA) (46-37), #1 Mater Dei (Santa Ana, CA) (27-7), #4 St. John Bosco (Bellflower, CA) (24-10) 3 Centennial (Corona, CA) team preview trend Southern Big VIII 1 11-1 5-0 (1st) 2-1 89.6 55.1 86-52 WINS: #13 Cathedral (San Diego, CA) (57-14), #25 Mission Viejo (CA) (62-16), #48 Sierra Canyon (Chatsworth, CA) (35-14), #50 Norco (CA) (48-24), #94 Poly (Long Beach, CA) (52-7), #205 JSerra (San Juan Capistrano, CA) (48-0), #467 Roosevelt [Eleanor] (Eastvale, CA) (64-0), #603 Citrus Valley (Redlands, CA) (63-20), #2639 Santiago (Corona, CA) (69-14), #3489 King [Dr. Martin Luther] (Riverside, CA) (84-0), #4656 Corona (CA) (64-0), LOSSES: #1 Mater Dei (Santa Ana, CA) (21-16) 4 St. John Bosco (Bellflower, CA) team preview trend Southern Trinity 1 10-2 4-1 (2nd) 3-2 85.7 70.5 112-40 WINS: #2 Servite (Anaheim, CA) (24-10), #27 Lutheran (Orange, CA) (49-25), #32 Central (Miami, FL) (35-12), #35 Alemany (Mission Hills, CA) (24-3), #41 Santa Margarita (Rancho Santa Margarita, CA) (41-16), #63 Los Alamitos (CA) (63-38), #72 Smith [Oscar] (Chesapeake, VA) (49-0), #73 Bishop Amat (La Puente, CA) (47-7), #124 East St. Louis (IL) (42-26), #205 JSerra (San Juan Capistrano, CA) (44-7), LOSSES: #1 Mater Dei (Santa Ana, CA) (42-21), #2 Servite (Anaheim, CA) (40-21) 5 Westlake (Austin, TX) team preview trend Texas 6A Region IV District 26 6A 16-0 7-0 (1st) 15-0 80.1 38.1 133-67 WINS: #33 Guyer [John H.] (Denton, TX) (40-21), #54 Katy (TX) (45-14), #110 Vandegrift (Austin, TX) (70-7), #126 Lake Travis (Austin, TX) (63-21), #229 Summit (Arlington, TX) (59-21), #237 Trinity (Euless, TX) (34-14), #368 Temple (TX) (54-13), #576 Bowie (Austin, TX) (35-0), #746 New Braunfels (TX) (70-7), #1230 Pharr-San Juan-Alamo North (Pharr, TX) (56-0), #1535 Hutto (TX) (54-9), #2221 San Marcos (TX) (56-0), #3497 Hays [Jack C.] (Buda, TX) (77-0), #4489 Del Valle (TX) (63-6), #5044 Akins (Austin, TX) (55-6), #7458 Austin [Stephen F.] (Austin, TX) (77-3), LOSSES: none 6 North Shore (Houston, TX) team preview trend Texas 6A Region III District 21 6A 15-1 6-0 (1st) 15-1 75.5 46 134-65 WINS: #7 Duncanville (TX) (17-10), #56 Atascocita (Humble, TX) (31-21), #56 Atascocita (Humble, TX) (44-20), #126 Lake Travis (Austin, TX) (49-21), #143 Tompkins (Katy, TX) (26-20), #178 King [C. E.] (Houston, TX) (17-0), #245 Summer Creek (Houston, TX) (45-16), #463 Klein Collins (Spring, TX) (34-7), #568 Clear Springs (League City, TX) (41-13), #566 Klein Oak (Spring, TX) (58-34), #690 Shadow Creek (Pearland, TX) (33-10), #1253 West Brook (Beaumont, TX) (44-7), #1707 Dobie [J. Frank] (Houston, TX) (62-14), #4007 Kingwood (TX) (56-0), #4492 Humble (TX) (68-6), LOSSES: #96 Westfield (Houston, TX) (27-21) 7 Duncanville (TX) team preview trend Texas 6A Region II District 11 6A 13-2 7-0 (1st) 12-1 75.1 47.1 124-63 WINS: #18 Carroll (Southlake, TX) (35-9), #53 South Oak Cliff (Dallas, TX) (42-27), #64 DeSoto (TX) (42-21), #64 DeSoto (TX) (38-20), #162 Spring (TX) (42-7), #646 Cedar Hill (TX) (58-7), #954 Mesquite (TX) (52-2), #1058 Waxahachie (TX) (52-3), #1537 Lake Ridge (Mansfield, TX) (59-0), #1633 Belton (TX) (63-7), #1862 Mansfield (TX) (63-17), #3271 Midway (Waco, TX) (76-0), #6358 Waco (TX) (76-0), LOSSES: #1 Mater Dei (Santa Ana, CA) (45-3), #6 North Shore (Houston, TX) (17-10) 8 Venice (FL) team preview trend Florida 8A District 12 8A 14-1 4-0 (1st) 9-0 74.0 38.9 113-61 WINS: #78 Apopka (FL) (35-7), #114 Cocoa (FL) (21-20), #166 West Orange (Winter Garden, FL) (49-7), #228 Columbus [Christopher] (Miami, FL) (35-7), #295 Edgewater (Orlando, FL) (41-7), #342 Riverview (Sarasota, FL) (56-14), #342 Riverview (Sarasota, FL) (42-7), #638 Palmetto (FL) (35-10), #1457 Plant City (FL) (55-7), #2297 Sarasota (FL) (49-13), #2437 Manatee (Bradenton, FL) (41-8), #3252 Gulf Coast (Naples, FL) (56-6), #3730 North Fort Myers (FL) (60-7), #6184 Lakewood Ranch (Bradenton, FL) (61-7), LOSSES: #65 Cardinal Gibbons (Fort Lauderdale, FL) (28-22) 9 Graham-Kapowsin (Graham, WA) team preview trend Washington 4A South Puget Sound 4A 15-0 9-0 (1st) 14-0 73.8 22.6 99-64 WINS: #10 Collins Hill (Suwanee, GA) (40-36), #303 Lake Stevens (WA) (44-7), #461 Kamiakin (Kennewick, WA) (42-0), #816 Sumner (WA) (41-14), #864 Bothell (WA) (41-25), #1498 Puyallup (WA) (34-3), #2771 Bellarmine Prep (Tacoma, WA) (41-0), #3185 Emerald Ridge (South Hill, WA) (35-0), #3199 Kentwood (Covington, WA) (49-7), #3930 Curtis (University Place, WA) (58-12), #5774 Bethel (Spanaway, WA) (45-0), #5848 Olympia (WA) (56-0), #7839 Rogers [Governor John R.] (Puyallup, WA) (48-0), #8165 Federal Way (WA) (63-6), #11235 South Kitsap (Port Orchard, WA) (54-0), LOSSES: none 10 Collins Hill (Suwanee, GA) team preview trend Georgia AAAAAAA Region 8 AAAAAAA 15-1 4-0 (1st) 12-0 73.6 47.6 130-62-1 WINS: #24 Milton (GA) (24-8), #43 Mill Creek (Hoschton, GA) (40-10), #86 Brookwood (Snellville, GA) (36-10), #118 Grayson (Loganville, GA) (31-0), #130 Lowndes (Valdosta, GA) (49-7), #221 Greenville Christian (Greenville, MS) (37-22), #293 North Gwinnett (Suwanee, GA) (35-7), #400 Pebblebrook (Mableton, GA) (48-6), #569 Rome (GA) (34-0), #652 Lambert (Suwanee, GA) (56-13), #726 East Coweta (Sharpsburg, GA) (34-0), #1003 Mountain View (Lawrenceville, GA) (28-0), #1577 Alpharetta (GA) (42-0), #2649 Peachtree Ridge (Suwanee, GA) (63-0), #4307 Sprayberry (Marietta, GA) (2-0), LOSSES: #9 Graham-Kapowsin (Graham, WA) (40-36) Calpreps is the ultimate self-fulfilling prophecy. As long as you've scheduled certain favorites, you're ensured of a decent ranking. To have San Diego Cathedral ranked #13 in the COUNTRY, after they've been blown out twice by teams who didn't win championships, and not having a single win over any sort of special team, is enough to rest the case on. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badrouter Posted December 19, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2021 1 hour ago, TheMaximumHornetSting said: Hawg probably wont... I wont... I doubt any Georgia poster will... The only one calling em Lazy is you.... Let's not forget unvetted in spite of steamrolling a good Mill Creek and Milton... I will admit I don't think CH is top 5. Never did... I dont think they're the best team in Georgia... Been saying that all season But yall are inconsistent in your ranking criteria and standards... Who in Georgia is better? Why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badrouter Posted December 19, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2021 1 hour ago, Ararar said: Which doesn’t exclude them from being highly overrated and only someone with limited thought process would fail to acknowledge that It depends on the context. If a claim is made that they're ready to beat Mater Dei or STA, yes, they are overrated. If the claim is that they are a top 25 team nationally, it is a straightforward factual claim. An undefeated, mostly unchallenged 7A state champ from Georgia is- by definition - a top 25 team nationally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ararar Posted December 19, 2021 Report Share Posted December 19, 2021 1 minute ago, badrouter said: It depends on the context. If a claim is made that they're ready to beat Mater Dei or STA, yes, they are overrated. If the claim is that they are a top 25 team nationally, it is a straightforward factual claim. An undefeated, mostly unchallenged 7A state champ from Georgia is- by definition - a top 25 team nationally. While I would agree they are top 25 this year nothing is factual about any team unless determined on the field against other supposed top teams.Since that is impossible it can’t proven factual.Since Georgia top team lost to Washington top team who’s to say that Washington doesn’t have better football than Georgia. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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