Graham-Kapowsin further demonstrates the "Mythical" in MNC

[Atticus Finch]

13 minutes ago, RedZone said:

What did I make up?

Everything that you said about me.

[Atticus Finch]

6 minutes ago, OldCoach said:

Exactly...this kid would be a 4-star if he was playing at St Thomas Aquinas.  

https://247sports.com/player/andrew-savaiinaea-46057697/

As it stands he'd be the highest rated DL at STA as a 3-star.

People have a false impression that STA has more 4-star players than they actually do.

[OldTerrapin]

9 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said:

As it stands he'd be the highest rated DL at STA as a 3-star.

People have a false impression that STA has more 4-star players than they actually do.

I don't think he meant STA in particular this year but a brand name school like a STA. Just used them as an example. A geographic area would also suffice to make this point. 

I honestly can't tell you what makes a 3* kid into a 4* but I assume it has to do with number of verbal offers and maybe you get the bump for showing up at one of their camps or something but I do know they suck up to certain schools/coaches as well. 

[OldCoach]

5 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said:

As it stands he'd be the highest rated DL at STA as a 3-star.

People have a false impression that STA has more 4-star players than they actually do.

Point taken.  I've see many a Broward County player transfer to STA over the years and magically jump one star.  That's my paradigm.

[Atticus Finch]

10 minutes ago, OldCoach said:

Point taken.  I've see many a Broward County player transfer to STA over the years and magically jump one star.  That's my paradigm.

You're mistaking that as well.

It's just not true.

[OldCoach]

18 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said:

You're mistaking that as well.

It's just not true.

I have no interest in debating.  Being from the area, I know STA and the Broward County scene very well...now and going back 50 years ago.  STA routinely gets transfers from the local public schools and a substantial number jump in recruiting status when they do.  Current UM Cane Xavier Restrepo is an example.  Ask any public school coach from the area.  The kids down there know it, too.  That's why some transfer.    

[Atticus Finch]

8 minutes ago, OldCoach said:

I have no interest in debating.  

Good because you're mistaken.

[Atticus Finch]

8 minutes ago, OldCoach said:

STA routinely gets transfers from the local public schools and a substantial number jump in recruiting status when they do.

This is not what you said.

Yes, players get a recruiting bump by being at STA but they do *not* get a star bump.

[OldCoach]

Highly ranked Tampa Jesuit of FL just needed a last minute TD to defeat Pensacola Pine Forest in a FL state final.  Unless you are 50+, you likely don't recognize the name "Pine Forest."  PF had to travel 650 miles for this game at a neutral site.

If that game was representative of how those teams would play would against each other, Jesuit would likely be the underdog if Jesuit had to make the 450+ mile trip to play PF at their home field. 

"Experts" in FL were predicting a complete blowout, and I have to think the hype of a national ranking contributed to it.  If in-state experts cannot even get in-state predictions correct, good luck trying to predict two teams from across the country playing each other.   

[Nolebull813]

5 minutes ago, OldCoach said:

Highly ranked Tampa Jesuit of FL just needed a last minute TD to defeat Pensacola Pine Forest in a FL state final.  Unless you are 50+, you likely don't recognize the name "Pine Forest."  PF had to travel 650 miles for this game at a neutral site.

If that game was representative of how those teams would play would against each other, Jesuit would likely be the underdog if Jesuit had to make the 450+ mile trip to play PF at their home field. 

"Experts" in FL were predicting a complete blowout, and I have to think the hype of a national ranking contributed to it.  If in-state experts cannot even get in-state predictions correct, good luck trying to predict two teams from across the country playing each other.   

There is no such thing as “in state experts”

There is no magic formula to predict who is gonna win. It’s more common sense than anything. If the result strays from that common sense then its most likely considered an upset. 

[OldTerrapin]

21 hours ago, OldTerrapin said:

CP put GK at 9 and CH at 10

Cali teams 1.2.3.4. Texas teams at 5.6.7.. lol

 

Rank	School	State	League	Division	W-L	League W-L	Division W-L	Rating	Schedule Strength	Opponents' W-L
1	Mater Dei (Santa Ana, CA)   team preview   trend	Southern	Trinity	1	12-0	5-0 (1st)	6-0	103.9	70.7	108-41
WINS: #2 Servite (Anaheim, CA) (27-7), #2 Servite (Anaheim, CA) (46-37), #3 Centennial (Corona, CA) (21-16), #4 St. John Bosco (Bellflower, CA) (42-21), #7 Duncanville (TX) (45-3), #27 Lutheran (Orange, CA) (55-16), #41 Santa Margarita (Rancho Santa Margarita, CA) (56-3), #42 Serra [Junipero] (San Mateo, CA) (44-7), #50 Norco (CA) (49-14), #133 Liberty (Henderson, NV) (49-7), #205 JSerra (San Juan Capistrano, CA) (56-14), #2948 La Mirada (CA) (58-7), LOSSES: none

 

2	Servite (Anaheim, CA)   team preview   trend	Southern	Trinity	1	10-3	3-2 (3rd)	4-3	91.3	73.4	110-46
WINS: #4 St. John Bosco (Bellflower, CA) (40-21), #25 Mission Viejo (CA) (44-7), #27 Lutheran (Orange, CA) (56-12), #41 Santa Margarita (Rancho Santa Margarita, CA) (48-21), #41 Santa Margarita (Rancho Santa Margarita, CA) (34-3), #48 Sierra Canyon (Chatsworth, CA) (44-22), #73 Bishop Amat (La Puente, CA) (58-7), #109 Edison (Huntington Beach, CA) (54-14), #205 JSerra (San Juan Capistrano, CA) (53-0), #364 Helix (La Mesa, CA) (42-7), LOSSES: #1 Mater Dei (Santa Ana, CA) (46-37), #1 Mater Dei (Santa Ana, CA) (27-7), #4 St. John Bosco (Bellflower, CA) (24-10)

 

3	Centennial (Corona, CA)   team preview   trend	Southern	Big VIII	1	11-1	5-0 (1st)	2-1	89.6	55.1	86-52
WINS: #13 Cathedral (San Diego, CA) (57-14), #25 Mission Viejo (CA) (62-16), #48 Sierra Canyon (Chatsworth, CA) (35-14), #50 Norco (CA) (48-24), #94 Poly (Long Beach, CA) (52-7), #205 JSerra (San Juan Capistrano, CA) (48-0), #467 Roosevelt [Eleanor] (Eastvale, CA) (64-0), #603 Citrus Valley (Redlands, CA) (63-20), #2639 Santiago (Corona, CA) (69-14), #3489 King [Dr. Martin Luther] (Riverside, CA) (84-0), #4656 Corona (CA) (64-0), LOSSES: #1 Mater Dei (Santa Ana, CA) (21-16)

 

4	St. John Bosco (Bellflower, CA)   team preview   trend	Southern	Trinity	1	10-2	4-1 (2nd)	3-2	85.7	70.5	112-40
WINS: #2 Servite (Anaheim, CA) (24-10), #27 Lutheran (Orange, CA) (49-25), #32 Central (Miami, FL) (35-12), #35 Alemany (Mission Hills, CA) (24-3), #41 Santa Margarita (Rancho Santa Margarita, CA) (41-16), #63 Los Alamitos (CA) (63-38), #72 Smith [Oscar] (Chesapeake, VA) (49-0), #73 Bishop Amat (La Puente, CA) (47-7), #124 East St. Louis (IL) (42-26), #205 JSerra (San Juan Capistrano, CA) (44-7), LOSSES: #1 Mater Dei (Santa Ana, CA) (42-21), #2 Servite (Anaheim, CA) (40-21)

 

5	Westlake (Austin, TX)   team preview   trend	Texas	6A Region IV District 26	6A	16-0	7-0 (1st)	15-0	80.1	38.1	133-67
WINS: #33 Guyer [John H.] (Denton, TX) (40-21), #54 Katy (TX) (45-14), #110 Vandegrift (Austin, TX) (70-7), #126 Lake Travis (Austin, TX) (63-21), #229 Summit (Arlington, TX) (59-21), #237 Trinity (Euless, TX) (34-14), #368 Temple (TX) (54-13), #576 Bowie (Austin, TX) (35-0), #746 New Braunfels (TX) (70-7), #1230 Pharr-San Juan-Alamo North (Pharr, TX) (56-0), #1535 Hutto (TX) (54-9), #2221 San Marcos (TX) (56-0), #3497 Hays [Jack C.] (Buda, TX) (77-0), #4489 Del Valle (TX) (63-6), #5044 Akins (Austin, TX) (55-6), #7458 Austin [Stephen F.] (Austin, TX) (77-3), LOSSES: none

 

6	North Shore (Houston, TX)   team preview   trend	Texas	6A Region III District 21	6A	15-1	6-0 (1st)	15-1	75.5	46	134-65
WINS: #7 Duncanville (TX) (17-10), #56 Atascocita (Humble, TX) (31-21), #56 Atascocita (Humble, TX) (44-20), #126 Lake Travis (Austin, TX) (49-21), #143 Tompkins (Katy, TX) (26-20), #178 King [C. E.] (Houston, TX) (17-0), #245 Summer Creek (Houston, TX) (45-16), #463 Klein Collins (Spring, TX) (34-7), #568 Clear Springs (League City, TX) (41-13), #566 Klein Oak (Spring, TX) (58-34), #690 Shadow Creek (Pearland, TX) (33-10), #1253 West Brook (Beaumont, TX) (44-7), #1707 Dobie [J. Frank] (Houston, TX) (62-14), #4007 Kingwood (TX) (56-0), #4492 Humble (TX) (68-6), LOSSES: #96 Westfield (Houston, TX) (27-21)

 

7	Duncanville (TX)   team preview   trend	Texas	6A Region II District 11	6A	13-2	7-0 (1st)	12-1	75.1	47.1	124-63
WINS: #18 Carroll (Southlake, TX) (35-9), #53 South Oak Cliff (Dallas, TX) (42-27), #64 DeSoto (TX) (42-21), #64 DeSoto (TX) (38-20), #162 Spring (TX) (42-7), #646 Cedar Hill (TX) (58-7), #954 Mesquite (TX) (52-2), #1058 Waxahachie (TX) (52-3), #1537 Lake Ridge (Mansfield, TX) (59-0), #1633 Belton (TX) (63-7), #1862 Mansfield (TX) (63-17), #3271 Midway (Waco, TX) (76-0), #6358 Waco (TX) (76-0), LOSSES: #1 Mater Dei (Santa Ana, CA) (45-3), #6 North Shore (Houston, TX) (17-10)

 

8	Venice (FL)   team preview   trend	Florida	8A District 12	8A	14-1	4-0 (1st)	9-0	74.0	38.9	113-61
WINS: #78 Apopka (FL) (35-7), #114 Cocoa (FL) (21-20), #166 West Orange (Winter Garden, FL) (49-7), #228 Columbus [Christopher] (Miami, FL) (35-7), #295 Edgewater (Orlando, FL) (41-7), #342 Riverview (Sarasota, FL) (56-14), #342 Riverview (Sarasota, FL) (42-7), #638 Palmetto (FL) (35-10), #1457 Plant City (FL) (55-7), #2297 Sarasota (FL) (49-13), #2437 Manatee (Bradenton, FL) (41-8), #3252 Gulf Coast (Naples, FL) (56-6), #3730 North Fort Myers (FL) (60-7), #6184 Lakewood Ranch (Bradenton, FL) (61-7), LOSSES: #65 Cardinal Gibbons (Fort Lauderdale, FL) (28-22)

 

9	Graham-Kapowsin (Graham, WA)   team preview   trend	Washington	4A South Puget Sound	4A	15-0	9-0 (1st)	14-0	73.8	22.6	99-64
WINS: #10 Collins Hill (Suwanee, GA) (40-36), #303 Lake Stevens (WA) (44-7), #461 Kamiakin (Kennewick, WA) (42-0), #816 Sumner (WA) (41-14), #864 Bothell (WA) (41-25), #1498 Puyallup (WA) (34-3), #2771 Bellarmine Prep (Tacoma, WA) (41-0), #3185 Emerald Ridge (South Hill, WA) (35-0), #3199 Kentwood (Covington, WA) (49-7), #3930 Curtis (University Place, WA) (58-12), #5774 Bethel (Spanaway, WA) (45-0), #5848 Olympia (WA) (56-0), #7839 Rogers [Governor John R.] (Puyallup, WA) (48-0), #8165 Federal Way (WA) (63-6), #11235 South Kitsap (Port Orchard, WA) (54-0), LOSSES: none

 

10	Collins Hill (Suwanee, GA)   team preview   trend	Georgia	AAAAAAA Region 8	AAAAAAA	15-1	4-0 (1st)	12-0	73.6	47.6	130-62-1
WINS: #24 Milton (GA) (24-8), #43 Mill Creek (Hoschton, GA) (40-10), #86 Brookwood (Snellville, GA) (36-10), #118 Grayson (Loganville, GA) (31-0), #130 Lowndes (Valdosta, GA) (49-7), #221 Greenville Christian (Greenville, MS) (37-22), #293 North Gwinnett (Suwanee, GA) (35-7), #400 Pebblebrook (Mableton, GA) (48-6), #569 Rome (GA) (34-0), #652 Lambert (Suwanee, GA) (56-13), #726 East Coweta (Sharpsburg, GA) (34-0), #1003 Mountain View (Lawrenceville, GA) (28-0), #1577 Alpharetta (GA) (42-0), #2649 Peachtree Ridge (Suwanee, GA) (63-0), #4307 Sprayberry (Marietta, GA) (2-0), LOSSES: #9 Graham-Kapowsin (Graham, WA) (40-36)

 

Maxpreps Human final

 

Final MaxPreps Top 25 High School Football Rankings

 

1. Mater Dei (Santa Ana, Calif.)

Record: 12-0 | Last week: 1

Season complete

 

2. Westlake (Austin, Texas)

Record: 16-0 | Last week: 2

Last week: Beat Guyer (Denton) 40-21

Season complete

 

3. Bergen Catholic (Oradell, N.J.)

Record: 12-0 | Last week: 4

Season complete

 

4. St. Frances Academy (Baltimore)

Record: 8-1 | Last week: 5

Season complete

 

5. Servite (Anaheim, Calif.)

Record: 10-3 | Last week: 6

Season complete

 

6. St. John Bosco (Bellflower, Calif.)

Record: 10-2 | Last week: 7

Season complete

 

7. Center Grove (Greenwood, Ind.)

Record: 14-0 | Last week: 9

Season complete

 

8. Jesuit (Tampa, Fla.)

Record: 15-0 | Last week: 10

Last week: Beat Pine Forest (Pensacola) 35-29

Season complete

 

9. St. Thomas Aquinas (Fort Lauderdale, Fla.)

Record: 14-1 | Last week: 11

Last week: Beat Tampa Bay Tech (Tampa) 42-14

Season complete

 

10. Centennial (Corona, Calif.)

Record: 11-1 | Last week: 12

Season complete

 

11. Graham-Kapowsin (Graham, Wash.)

Record: 15-0 | Last week: NR

Last week: Beat Collins Hill (Suwanee, Ga.) 40-36

Season complete

 

12. Collins Hill (Suwanee, Ga.)

Record: 15-1 | Last week: 3

Last week: Lost to Graham-Kapowsin (Graham) 40-36

Season complete

 

13. North Shore (Houston)

Record: 15-1 | Last week: 20

Last week: Beat Duncanville 17-10

Season complete

 

14. Saguaro (Scottsdale, Ariz.)

Record: 12-1 | Last week: 13

Season complete

 

15. Bishop Gorman (Las Vegas)

Record: 12-1 | Last week: 14

Season complete

 

16. Thompson (Alabaster, Ala.)

Record: 13-1 | Last week: 15

Season complete

 

17. IMG Academy (Bradenton, Fla.)

Record: 9-1 | Last week: 16

Season complete

 

18. Bixby (Okla.)

Record: 13-0 | Last week: 17

Season complete

 

19. St. John's (Washington, D.C.)

Record: 11-0 | Last week: 18

Season complete

 

20. Central (Miami)

Record: 12-2 | Last week: 19

Last week: Beat Merritt Island 49-14

Season complete

 

21. Duncanville (Texas)

Record: 13-2 | Last week: 8

Last week: Lost to North Shore (Houston) 17-10

Season complete

 

22. Oakland (Murfreesboro, Tenn.)

Record: 15-0 | Last week: 21

Season complete

 

23. Hamilton (Chandler, Ariz.)

Record: 11-1 | Last week: 22

Season complete

 

24. Chaminade-Madonna (Hollywood, Fla.)

Record: 12-1 | Last week: 23

Last week: Beat Highland (Gilbert, Ariz.) 35-24

Season complete

 

25. St. Edward (Lakewood, Ohio)

Record: 15-1 | Last week: 24

Season complete

[OldTerrapin]

So how do we know Bixby (OK) aint #1 or at least top 5?

They blew everyone the fuck out.. no way of knowing how they would to against the teams at the top

 

Fri, 8/27 7:00pm		Mansfield TimberviewArlington, TX Home • Non-District	W69-14Box Score  Recap
Fri, 9/3 7:30pm		Jenks Away • Non-District	W23-15Box Score  Recap
Fri, 9/17 7:00pm		Stillwater Home • Non-District	W42-14Box Score  Recap
Fri, 9/24 7:00pm		Bartlesville Away • District	W71-0Box Score  Recap
Fri, 10/1 7:00pm		Putnam City WestOklahoma City Home • District	W81-6Box Score  Recap
Fri, 10/8 7:00pm		Choctaw Away • District	W70-7Box Score  Recap
Thu, 10/14 7:00pm		PageSand Springs Home • District	W58-14Box Score  Recap
Fri, 10/22 7:00pm		Muskogee Home • District	W56-14Box Score  Recap
Fri, 10/29 Time TBA	P	Ponca City Away • District	W66-13Box Score  Recap
Fri, 11/5 7:00pm		Booker T. WashingtonTulsa Away • District	W61-20Box Score  Recap
Fri, 11/12 7:00pm		Putnam City NorthOklahoma City Home • Playoff	W78-7Box Score  Recap
Fri, 11/19 7:00pm		Stillwater Neutral • Playoff	W48-6Box Score  Recap
Thu, 12/2 7:00pm		Deer CreekEdmond Neutral • Playoff	W63-14Box Score  Recap

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[OldCoach]

24 minutes ago, Nolebull813 said:

There is no such thing as “in state experts”

There is no magic formula to predict who is gonna win. It’s more common sense than anything. If the result strays from that common sense then its most likely considered an upset. 

That's why I wrote "experts" as such..tongue in cheek.  I agree there is no magic formula.  And that is why national rankings in high school, while amusing, are very limited in their use to make predictions.  At a high school level, individual matchups are often huge, especially when a team has a big playmaker.  Yet some choose to focus on past wins-losses to predict the future versus analyzing who is going to be able to exploit who come gametime.

[GoBigBlack]

27 minutes ago, OldTerrapin said:

So how do we know Bixby (OK) aint #1 or at least top 5?

They blew everyone the fuck out.. no way of knowing how they would to against the teams at the top

 

We don't We can only speculate in the same way we would speculate that NDSU might be the best college football team above Clemson. Unless they play, we have no idea. 

[RedZone]

4 hours ago, Atticus Finch said:

Everything that you said about me.

Ok, Atticus! "wink"

[OldCoach]

...to generate discussion.

Further below are the approximate student populations of 35 of the Top 100 public high school football teams in the country this year.  Only 3 schools under 1500 students made the list.

I guess one could debate it is natural that larger public schools will be disproportionately represented due to a larger pool of prospective players, but we've all run into some very tough small teams out there who can routinely hang with the big boys.

It's my perception that public schools with less than 1200 students are rarely represented in the national polls in the modern era.  If that is true, it follows that less populous states lacking large metro areas will rarely be represented in the rankings.  So, what's the point?

A talent-rich state such as Mississippi only has a dozen high schools with populations of 1500 or or more students.  The vast majority of their schools are "small."  Anyone who has traveled to the backwoods of the South can appreciate how intimidating it could be for one of these big city, ranked teams to play there.  There are undoubtedly some smaller schools in talent rich areas that I believe could roll one of these ranked teams on a good night if playing at home.

I have found that many of these smaller schools in the South can be a bit up and down in terms of their performance year-to-year because of their limited pool to pull from.  But, when the stars align, you occasionally have an absolute powerhouse that is flying under the radar.  I saw this phenomenon with some of the teams from south Georgia.  Per capita, there are rural areas of the Deep South that are as rich or richer talent-wise than anywhere in the country.  

In a way, high school rankings are a bit like trying to rank fighters in different weight classes against each, ie who is the best fighter pound-for-pound?, since there are not well-defined, separate polls for large/medium/small schools  Unfortunately, I think smaller schools often get left out of the discussion.

North Shore (TX) 4600

Duncanville (TX) 4400

Hamilton (AZ) 3900

Cherry Creek (CO) 3800

Mill Creek (GA) 3700

Chandler (AZ) 3400

Katy (TX) 3400

Centennial (CA) 3200

Collins Hill (TX)  2900

Westlake (TX) 2800

Hoover (AL) 2800

Westland (TX) 2800

Center Grove (IN) 2600

Guyer (TX) 2600

Lone Peak (UT) 2500

Milton (GA) 2300

Venice (FL) 2300

Oscar Smith (VA) 2200

Paetow (TX) 2200

Thompson (AL) 2100

Chambers (NC) 2000

Graham Kapowsin (WA) 1900

Oakland (TN) 1900

Gaffney (SC) 1900

Bixby (OK) 1800

Dutch Fork (SC) 1700

Springfield (OH) 1700

Warner Robins (GA) 1600

Cocoa (FL) 1600

Zachary (LA) 1600

Miami Central (FL) 1500

Buford (GA) 1500

Southlake Carroll (TX) 1400

South Oak Cliff (TX) 1200

Saguaro (AZ) 1200

[RedZone]

41 minutes ago, OldCoach said:

who is the best fighter pound-for-pound?,

 

[OldCoach]

16 minutes ago, RedZone said:

ahhh...the Florida Gators

 

[CaliNorth]

On 12/19/2021 at 10:09 AM, badrouter said:

None of us had ever heard of them, and they had beaten nobody with any sort of ranking. But, they destroyed everyone they played. Turns out, being an undefeated, unchallenged state champion can mean you're pretty damn good, whether anyone else realizes it or not. I think there are a few Graham-Kapowsins throughout the country most years. And that is the correct way to interpret their win, not just to laugh at Collins Hill. We can't possibly know all there is to know about all of the teams throughout the country. And, contrary to common belief, a team doesn't have to schedule Mater Dei or St. John Bosco to be really good. GK should be top 15 in the country at worst.

There is no way GK is top 15 , top 50 maybe . Honestly, I would take CCSD over them . Way more talent and size for CC . The big reveal was how unimpressive CH was, being ranked in top 5 in some polls . Ca , mainly socal, is on a different level this season. I know you want your Lakeland to be viewed higher in polls , but using GK as an example doesn't cut it . Maybe the game was anticlimactic for CH after winning GA state championship 

[Sammyswordsman]

3 hours ago, OldCoach said:

Highly ranked Tampa Jesuit of FL just needed a last minute TD to defeat Pensacola Pine Forest in a FL state final.  Unless you are 50+, you likely don't recognize the name "Pine Forest."  PF had to travel 650 miles for this game at a neutral site.

If that game was representative of how those teams would play would against each other, Jesuit would likely be the underdog if Jesuit had to make the 450+ mile trip to play PF at their home field. 

"Experts" in FL were predicting a complete blowout, and I have to think the hype of a national ranking contributed to it.  If in-state experts cannot even get in-state predictions correct, good luck trying to predict two teams from across the country playing each other.   

If you separate the emotion from the decision, its possible to have a 70%+ correct pick rate in any match.  In state or out of state.  Regarding Bixby, their record is not a good gauge of their fit among other top teams.  Three big reasons.  1.  Probably 50+ teams could be 14-0 against the Bixby schedule.  2.  Bixby has no Tier 1-3 wins.  3. Bixby does not have the 3*, 4*, 5* kids that the top teams have.

As far as GK, we know they are about = to Collins Hill, but we don't really know where CH stacks up since they don't have any Tier 1-3 wins either.

We know SJB easily beat Oscar Smith and Miami Central and both those teams ran their state division.

We know Mater Dei rolled DV who is a Top 3-4 team in Texas.  MD won by 40 while NS only beat DV by 7.

We know Servite easily  beat SJB in the playoffs by 3 scores.

We know that Cen10 and Servite gave MD their toughest games and beat 2-3 common opponnents by the same margins.

We know that SFA beat IMG who rolled their other opponnent's.  We know STA beat SFA.

Based on all this, I can state with 70%+ certainty that the top teams are: (In no particular order) STA, SFA  Servite, SJB, Mater Dei, Cen10,  

The next group include: DV, Westlake, IMG, Jesuit, Bergen, North Shore

The next group would include:  Collins Hill, Gk, Bishop Gorman, Hamilton, Saguaro, Chandler, Center Grove

[BUFORDGAWOLVES]

44 minutes ago, CaliNorth said:

There is no way GK is top 15 , top 50 maybe . Honestly, I would take CCSD over them . Way more talent and size for CC . The big reveal was how unimpressive CH was, being ranked in top 5 in some polls . Ca , mainly socal, is on a different level this season. I know you want your Lakeland to be viewed higher in polls , but using GK as an example doesn't cut it . Maybe the game was anticlimactic for CH after winning GA state championship 

“Maybe”??? Don’t venture out too far. 🙄🙄🙄

bgw

[CaliNorth]

13 minutes ago, Sammyswordsman said:

If you separate the emotion from the decision, its possible to have a 70%+ correct pick rate in any match.  In state or out of state.  Regarding Bixby, their record is not a good gauge of their fit among other top teams.  Three big reasons.  1.  Probably 50+ teams could be 14-0 against the Bixby schedule.  2.  Bixby has no Tier 1-3 wins.  3. Bixby does not have the 3*, 4*, 5* kids that the top teams have.

As far as GK, we know they are about = to Collins Hill, but we don't really know where CH stacks up since they don't have any Tier 1-3 wins either.

We know SJB easily beat Oscar Smith and Miami Central and both those teams ran their state division.

We know Mater Dei rolled DV who is a Top 3-4 team in Texas.  MD won by 40 while NS only beat DV by 7.

We know Servite easily  beat SJB in the playoffs by 3 scores.

We know that Cen10 and Servite gave MD their toughest games and beat 2-3 common opponnents by the same margins.

We know that SFA beat IMG who rolled their other opponnent's.  We know STA beat SFA.

Based on all this, I can state with 70%+ certainty that the top teams are: (In no particular order) STA, SFA  Servite, SJB, Mater Dei, Cen10,  

The next group include: DV, Westlake, IMG, Jesuit, Bergen, North Shore

The next group would include:  Collins Hill, Gk, Bishop Gorman, Hamilton, Saguaro, Chandler, Center Grove

I'm not so sure Westlake is tier 2 . I think they looked to me tier 1. That O-line of theirs would definitely stand up to most, if not all of the pass rushes from the tier 1 teams. They  pass extremely well , the key to moving ball against  MD's defense

[cnd123]

45 minutes ago, CaliNorth said:

There is no way GK is top 15 , top 50 maybe . Honestly, I would take CCSD over them . Way more talent and size for CC . The big reveal was how unimpressive CH was, being ranked in top 5 in some polls . Ca , mainly socal, is on a different level this season. I know you want your Lakeland to be viewed higher in polls , but using GK as an example doesn't cut it . Maybe the game was anticlimactic for CH after winning GA state championship 

 

Haha what a homer take. It can't be that WA plays decent football, it must just be that CH sucks...

 

WA state has a proud history of beating "top" California high schools.

 

Sit this one out junior.

[CaliNorth]

2 minutes ago, BUFORDGAWOLVES said:

“Maybe”??? Don’t venture out too far. 🙄🙄🙄

bgw

Ok, then " Definitely "

[Sammyswordsman]

Just now, CaliNorth said:

I'm not so sure Westlake is tier 2 . I think they looked to me tier 1. That O-line of theirs would definitely stand up to most, if not all of the pass rushes from the tier 1 teams. They  pass extremely well , the key to moving ball against  MD's defense

Those weren't Tiers.  More like loose groupings.  But Based on the MD destruction of DV, I am not confident that Texas has any teams that can hang within 2 scores of the top "Power privates".