The Joker’s dilemma until Monday

[golfaddict1]

https://www.espn.com/tennis/story/_/id/33005069/novak-djokovic-remain-visa-limbo-monday-fights-deportation-australia

Tune in Monday… same bat time, same bat channel.   

 

[Nolebull813]

Happy to see another superstar not coward to the mob. He makes personal medical choices that he feels is best for himself, and doesn’t allow internet trolls and bullies persuade him into something he most likely doesn’t need. Kudos to him for standing in his convictions. We need more like him. 

[DBP66]

4 minutes ago, Nolebull813 said:

Happy to see another superstar not coward to the mob. He makes personal medical choices that he feels is best for himself, and doesn’t allow internet trolls and bullies persuade him into something he most likely doesn’t need. Kudos to him for standing in his convictions. We need more like him. 

you'll find a bunch of heroes like him in the I.C.U.....😪

[Nolebull813]

5 minutes ago, DBP66 said:

you'll find a bunch of heroes like him in the I.C.U.....😪

You would but all the vaccinated people are eating up the beds. They are spreading Covid at record speeds. I guess when you get the jab it makes you feel like you are invincible and you go and make irresponsible decisions. Super spreaders not giving a shit that the jab doesn’t do anything but make big pharma rich. 
 

but but but the government put out a report saying they are super safe!! Who put out the report? Was it someone profiting from the jabs? It was! Ok they got your back. Go get your 4th and 5th booster! Score some brownie points with CNN. Lmao!!

[DBP66]

4 minutes ago, Nolebull813 said:

You would but all the vaccinated people are eating up the beds. They are spreading Covid at record speeds. I guess when you get the jab it makes you feel like you are invincible and you go and make irresponsible decisions. Super spreaders not giving a shit that the jab doesn’t do anything but make big pharma rich. 
 

but but but they government put out a report saying they are super safe!! Who put out the report? Was it someone profiting from the jabs? It was! Ok they got your back. Go get your 4th and 5th booster! Score some brownie points with CNN. Lmao!!

so the "jab" is all about someone making money?....not saving lives??..please stop....and all the people in ICU's have made a bad choice that got them there...I'm sure they would tell you that if they could....🤡

[Nolebull813]

19 minutes ago, DBP66 said:

so the "jab" is all about someone making money?....not saving lives??..please stop....and all the people in ICU's have made a bad choice that got them there...I'm sure they would tell you that if they could....🤡

Whoa you think big pharma and big government have your best interest at heart?

LMAO! Dumb sumbitch 

[Atticus Finch]

45 minutes ago, Nolebull813 said:

Happy to see another superstar not coward to the mob. He makes personal medical choices that he feels is best for himself, and doesn’t allow internet trolls and bullies persuade him into something he most likely doesn’t need. Kudos to him for standing in his convictions. We need more like him. 

Then he should happily accept the consequences of that choice and leave Australia.

What's the problem?

[Atticus Finch]

35 minutes ago, Nolebull813 said:

You would but all the vaccinated people are eating up the beds.

A howler of a lie.

This is just an example from South Carolina.  It's a nice clean graphic.

And South Carolina now has more people fully vaccinated (53%) than not.

So even tilting the math in your favor you can't make this come out right.

[Atticus Finch]

21 minutes ago, Nolebull813 said:

LMAO! Dumb sumbitch 

The guy who says the vaccine doesn't do anything is calling someone else a son-of-a-bitch.

Funny.

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[Nolebull813]

39 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said:

The guy who says the vaccine doesn't do anything is calling someone else a son-of-a-bitch.

Funny.

👇

 

Where are you getting this info? 

[Warrior]

Numbers can be made to look as intended by the author - many in Europe have been disputing the #'s for some time. You have to believe after a while there is a political and monetary agenda for the jab. 

 

Most people admitted to hospital with Covid-19 are vaccinated

21 OCTOBER 2021

On 16 October, the Economist published an article claiming that most Covid-19 patients in British and European hospitals are unvaccinated.

We’ve not checked the European data, but this is no longer true in Britain, where the proportion of unvaccinated Covid patients admitted to hospital has been falling over time.

The latest data from the UK Health Security Agency (UKHSA) suggests that the proportion of unvaccinated Covid-19 cases being admitted after presenting to emergency care within 28 days of a positive test in England is now about 35%. When the Economist article was published, this figure was similar at about 36%.

The Economist has confirmed to Full Fact that the number it used was out of date.

While it is possible that protection from the vaccines may be waning, the UKHSA figures do not mean that the vaccines no longer protect people from severe illness—as we have written before.

Research shows that the vaccines remain highly effective in preventing hospitalisation with Covid. At the end of August 2021, the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (SAGE) gave a consensus view on the effectiveness of the Covid vaccines against severe disease, saying: “For hospitalisation, with both the AstraZeneca and Pfizer vaccines, protection is ~80% after one dose and ~95% after the second dose.”

What is happening in hospitals?

Earlier in the year, unvaccinated people did make up the majority of Covid cases in hospitals.

At the time, the data only covered confirmed cases of the Delta variant in England, and included several different definitions of a hospital admission. However it showed that around 70% of hospital patients with the Delta variant of Covid were unvaccinated up to the end of May, or around 65% up to late June.

We wrote a fact check about this in July.

However, over time, a larger share of the population has been fully vaccinated.

The vaccines substantially, but not perfectly, protect these people from severe illness. As a result, some still become ill enough to need treatment in hospital. And this small share of a large population is now enough to make up a majority of hospital admissions.

 

A Flourish chart

 

Full Fact got in touch with the Economist, which agreed that its figures were an error, and told us that the source was a report presented to SAGE on 9 September.

The report did say that 83.7% of Covid patients admitted to hospital were unvaccinated—but this covered the period between 8 December 2020, when vaccination started, and 28 July 2021. This includes a time of very high hospital admissions around the new year, when few people had been vaccinated.

After discussing the error with us, the Economist also drew our attention to the notes on the meeting when this research was discussed, in which SAGE says: “For patients admitted after 16 June 2021 (by which time vaccination rates in adults were high) the majority of patients had received two doses. This is to be expected, as SAGE has noted previously.”

 

 

[Atticus Finch]

1 hour ago, Nolebull813 said:

Where are you getting this info? 

😄

I love how you numbskulls make outlandish claims with no evidence and then when you're hit with simple facts you ask for the source.

Presumably so you can then attack the source without evidence.

It's from the CDC.

Here's the graph from a month earlier with the citation.

[Atticus Finch]

51 minutes ago, Warrior said:

Numbers can be made to look as intended by the author

Which is why your posts are such lies and are easily identified as such.

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52 minutes ago, Warrior said:

The latest data from the UK Health Security Agency (UKHSA) suggests that the proportion of unvaccinated Covid-19 cases being admitted after presenting to emergency care within 28 days of a positive test in England is now about 35%. When the Economist article was published, this figure was similar at about 36%.

I clicked the first link in your article (the one bolded above).

This is the chart regarding COVID-19 hospitalizations from your source.

[Atticus Finch]

Now it's pretty clear that @Warrior didn't even read his own source. The headline is misleading and is actually explained pretty clearly, again, by his own source.

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1 hour ago, Warrior said:

Research shows that the vaccines remain highly effective in preventing hospitalisation with Covid. At the end of August 2021, the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (SAGE) gave a consensus view on the effectiveness of the Covid vaccines against severe disease, saying: “For hospitalisation, with both the AstraZeneca and Pfizer vaccines, protection is ~80% after one dose and ~95% after the second dose.”

1 hour ago, Warrior said:

However, over time, a larger share of the population has been fully vaccinated.

The vaccines substantially, but not perfectly, protect these people from severe illness. As a result, some still become ill enough to need treatment in hospital. And this small share of a large population is now enough to make up a majority of hospital admissions.

1 hour ago, Warrior said:

“For patients admitted after 16 June 2021 (by which time vaccination rates in adults were high) the majority of patients had received two doses. This is to be expected, as SAGE has noted previously.”

In other words, 71% of people in the UK are fully vaccinated which translates to about 47.5m vaxxed and 19.5m non-vaxxed.

The "small share of a large population is now enough to make up a majority of hospital admissions."

But as the chart that you certainly didn't look at shows, the rates of hospitalization are exponentially higher among non-vaxxed. 

[Atticus Finch]

The question then is has anybody embarrassed themselves more in a shorter period of time than @Warrior?

[Warrior]

Again you missed the point of the article "at the time", which is your MO. 

At the time, the data only covered confirmed cases of the Delta variant in England, and included several different definitions of a hospital admission. However it showed that around 70% of hospital patients with the Delta variant of Covid were unvaccinated up to the end of May, or around 65% up to late June.

We wrote a fact check about this in July.

However, over time, a larger share of the population has been fully vaccinated.

The vaccines substantially, but not perfectly, protect these people from severe illness. As a result, some still become ill enough to need treatment in hospital. And this small share of a large population is now enough to make up a majority of hospital admissions. 

I'm not arguing the vaccine isn't useful in high risk patients and some other cases. My point is there are plenty of other options that are just as if not more effective and that big Pharma has a stranglehold on the data. 

Good news, more information will be available hopefully soon. 

https://aaronsiri.substack.com/p/instead-of-fdas-requested-500-pages

Small portion of the link - 

This is a great win for transparency and removes one of the strangleholds federal “health” authorities have had on the data needed for independent scientists to offer solutions and address serious issues with the current vaccine program – issues which include waning immunity, variants evading vaccine immunity, and, as the CDC has confirmed, that the vaccines do not prevent transmission.

No person should ever be coerced to engage in an unwanted medical procedure.  And while it is bad enough the government violated this basic liberty right by mandating the Covid-19 vaccine, the government also wanted to hide the data by waiting to fully produce what it relied upon to license this product until almost every American alive today is dead.  That form of governance is destructive to liberty and antithetical to the openness required in a democratic society. 

[Atticus Finch]

Just now, Warrior said:

Again you missed the point of the article "at the time", which is your MO. 

You are missing the point of the article *now*

You have yet to display even an elementary understanding of what it actually said.

You thought it was throwing shade at the effectiveness of the vaccine but, instead, it was just quibbling with The Economist on a minor factual point.

The article itself stated that the vaccine his highly effective and it's own sources showed that the rates of hospitalization among the non-vaxxed is way higher than among the vaxxed.

[Atticus Finch]

3 minutes ago, Warrior said:

 I'm not arguing the vaccine isn't useful in high risk patients and some other cases.

Your source claimed that the vaccine is highly effective, period, and the rate of hospitalization among the vaxxed is substantially lower than among the non-vaxxed.

You will continue to stumble and bumble your way through this because you refuse to acknowledge this.

[Warrior]

Just now, Atticus Finch said:

You are missing the point of the article *now*

You have yet to display even an elementary understanding of what it actually said.

You thought it was throwing shade at the effectiveness of the vaccine but, instead, it was just quibbling with The Economist on a minor factual point.

The article itself stated that the vaccine his highly effective and it's own sources showed that the rates of hospitalization among the non-vaxxed is way higher than among the vaxxed.

 

You are thicker then I originally thought - 

[Atticus Finch]

5 minutes ago, Warrior said:

 My point is there are plenty of other options that are just as if not more effective and that big Pharma has a stranglehold on the data. 

There is no evidence that any of the magic potions are as much or more effective than the vaccine.

The vaccine is cheaper, safer, more effective and more abundant than every single one of your magic potions.

These are established facts.

[Atticus Finch]

1 minute ago, Warrior said:

You are thicker then I originally thought - 

You always do this because you are so easily exposed as a clown who peddles crap information in the service of his agenda.

You get owned by the factual record and then just assert, with no evidence, that magic potions are just as effective as vaccines that have been through both the largest clinical trial in history and the largest real-life, real-time drive in history.

[Warrior]

2 hours ago, Atticus Finch said:

You always do this because you are so easily exposed as a clown who peddles crap information in the service of his agenda.

You get owned by the factual record and then just assert, with no evidence, that magic potions are just as effective as vaccines that have been through both the largest clinical trial in history and the largest real-life, real-time drive in history.

The only thing that repeatedly gets exposed is your childlike inability to hold a rational conversation and that this board is your sole being in life. Anyone that posts over 11k times in less that 17 months at 23 times a day has no life and I truly feel sorry for you as a person. 

You discount any response to your position and state that yours as fact. My point has always been the science on all of this isn't settle and much time and research is still needed for anything to be conclusive. The CDC, FDA and others can make their claims and you can regurgitate them all you like but there are plenty of very logical apposing views on the science. And that is what science is, ever evolving - but to you in all matter in regards to the vaccines the case and science is settled to which I call BS. 

 

[Nolebull813]

This is the only truth I can find about the vaccine on the internet 

 

[Atticus Finch]

1 hour ago, Warrior said:

The only thing that repeatedly gets exposed is your childlike inability to hold a rational conversation and that this board is your sole being in life.

This is not a refutation of anything I've sad.

I'll accept it as your capitulation.

Also, dunking on you after I post facts is not childlike.

[Atticus Finch]

1 hour ago, Warrior said:

You discount any response to your position and state that yours as fact. 

Your responses are obvious bullshit and your own sources discredit your takes.