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9 hours ago, badrouter said:

It’s now clear that they knew a lab leak was very possible- if not likely- and they made the decision to suppress any/all discussion of this. You don’t have to be anti-science or anti-vaccines to be disturbed by this. Leftist reporter details the emails.

Warning, nobody should waste their time listening to the unabashedly irresponsible, factually barren, unpatriotic, domestic terrorism inspired evil narrative found in the link, when the truth about the origins of Covid is irrefutably understood.

A Chines mountain bat dizzy with virulence induced radar malfunction crashed headlong, mouth agape, into an innocently foraging pangolin near a remote mountain village, whereby a scavenging villager wandered upon the dazed pair.  The villager scooped the pair into a sack and hurried his fortuitous acquisition to the Wuhan wet market gratefully bartering for a small sack of rice.  That evening a hungry Wuhan Institute of Virology worker eagerly purchased the wares bringing the delicacy home for for much anticipated consumption. Years of city life left him unskilled in the old ways of pangolin preparation and bat basting, causing him to break all the rules, inadvertently becoming infected.  The unsuspecting worker returned to work in apparent good health but was obviously the first asymptomatic spreader, transmitting the virus to coworkers and acquaintances in Wuhan.  The rest as they say, is history.  There can be no other explanation if you follow the science🙄

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13 hours ago, On2whls said:

Warning, nobody should waste their time listening to the unabashedly irresponsible, factually barren, unpatriotic, domestic terrorism inspired evil narrative found in the link, when the truth about the origins of Covid is irrefutably understood.

A Chines mountain bat dizzy with virulence induced radar malfunction crashed headlong, mouth agape, into an innocently foraging pangolin near a remote mountain village, whereby a scavenging villager wandered upon the dazed pair.  The villager scooped the pair into a sack and hurried his fortuitous acquisition to the Wuhan wet market gratefully bartering for a small sack of rice.  That evening a hungry Wuhan Institute of Virology worker eagerly purchased the wares bringing the delicacy home for for much anticipated consumption. Years of city life left him unskilled in the old ways of pangolin preparation and bat basting, causing him to break all the rules, inadvertently becoming infected.  The unsuspecting worker returned to work in apparent good health but was obviously the first asymptomatic spreader, transmitting the virus to coworkers and acquaintances in Wuhan.  The rest as they say, is history.  There can be no other explanation if you follow the science🙄

You forgot to mention the systemic racism the bat experienced. 

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2 hours ago, badrouter said:

You forgot to mention the systemic racism the bat experienced. 

Seriously though, the general public is unable to comprehend the intricacies of genetic sequences and has to rely on scientists that do to unravel the actual most likely chain of events.  What is needed is a comprehensive investigation by unbiased experts in the field, not government paid employees whose job is to protect the interests of the government first, and the interests of the people second. 
As was mentioned, Covid is out of the bag and isn’t going back in.  We might not be as lucky if another such virus comes on the scene under similarly dubious circumstances.  Imagine the impact of a virus with even a marginally higher mortality rate but with equal transmissivity and similarly mutagenic.

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On 1/14/2022 at 3:11 PM, badrouter said:

It’s now clear that they knew a lab leak was very possible- if not likely- and they made the decision to suppress any/all discussion of this. You don’t have to be anti-science or anti-vaccines to be disturbed by this. Leftist reporter details the emails.

That video is 14 minutes of nothing.

The emails are all redacted. The commentary on it is basically from Republicans who wrote notes when they viewed the unredacted emails.

Half of the video is just that bozo Ryan Grim giving his commentary. Most of which is patently absurd on it's face. He claims that there's not a political angle from which Republicans like Rand Paul are viewing this issue. Every thinking person spit out their drink all over the screen at that suggestion.

The early denials of the lab leak theory were in the same vain as the early claims that masks won't work to stop COVID: they wanted to stop reckless speculation at the very beginning of the pandemic.

Should they have been less forceful? Yes but what was the alternative at the time? Spending scarce time and resources investigating a potential lab leak in the middle of a pandemic and in the hyper-partisan Trump era during an election year?

Get real.

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On 1/15/2022 at 4:36 PM, On2whls said:

What is needed is a comprehensive investigation by unbiased experts in the field, not government paid employees whose job is to protect the interests of the government first, and the interests of the people second. 

Biden already called for an intelligence investigation.

Biden orders spy agencies to review whether COVID-19 came from Wuhan lab

It's findings?

No proof of anything.

But who would be your "unbiased" experts?

This should be good.

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2 hours ago, Atticus Finch said:

Biden already called for an intelligence investigation.

Biden orders spy agencies to review whether COVID-19 came from Wuhan lab

Seriously, “spy agencies” to investigate the intricacies of possible modification of viral genomes.  Why not just have those same agencies come up with vaccines?  

The spy agencies work for the government so they could hardly be described as unbiased.  

2 hours ago, Atticus Finch said:

But who would be your "unbiased" experts?

Maybe take some experts in viral genetics, virologists, genetics sequencing, and statistics, appointed by a panel of researchers with oversight by the same panel.

 

2 hours ago, Atticus Finch said:

No proof of anything.

Why would anyone expect “spies” to come up with meaningful findings related to technical issues way outside their core competency?

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3 hours ago, Atticus Finch said:

That video is 14 minutes of nothing.

The emails are all redacted. The commentary on it is basically from Republicans who wrote notes when they viewed the unredacted emails.

Half of the video is just that bozo Ryan Grim giving his commentary. Most of which is patently absurd on it's face. He claims that there's not a political angle from which Republicans like Rand Paul are viewing this issue. Every thinking person spit out their drink all over the screen at that suggestion.

The early denials of the lab leak theory were in the same vain as the early claims that masks won't work to stop COVID: they wanted to stop reckless speculation at the very beginning of the pandemic.

Should they have been less forceful? Yes but what was the alternative at the time? Spending scarce time and resources investigating a potential lab leak in the middle of a pandemic and in the hyper-partisan Trump era during an election year?

Get real.

They've operated under the assumption that some distortions of truth, some omissions of facts, and employment of a media apparatus happy to suppress anyone/anything they didn't like was the best approach to this. They've been proven wrong, spectacularly. Citizens are owed the truth, and full transparency from their government. Particularly when government has elected to go with unprecedented, draconian restrictions and mandates.

It is now quite clear that Fauci and Collins have worked to crush critics of their work. Let's not forget Collins' email to Fauci and others urging "there needs to be a quick and devastating published take down..." of the people behind the Great Barrington Declaration, which included a Nobel Prize winner. These guys allowed themselves to be dragged down into the partisan pig pen, and they've got mud all over themselves.  

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2 hours ago, On2whls said:

The spy agencies work for the government so they could hardly be described as unbiased.  

This is incredibly stupid and basically invalidates every investigation ever and certainly any investigation into the origins of COVID.

So basically exactly what I mocked you for.

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59 minutes ago, badrouter said:

They've operated under the assumption that some distortions of truth, some omissions of facts, and employment of a media apparatus happy to suppress anyone/anything they didn't like was the best approach to this.

They operated under the assumption that (1) distorting the truth on masks in the beginning was necessary to stop a run on PPE that would harm healthcare workers and (2) that tamping down speculation on the origins of COVID in April 2020 would keep the focus on the most important thing which was, you know, the current pandemic.

Like most reasonable people I don't think these two things have much to do with the loss of public trust in the CDC or the government in general. They certainly don't look good but there are political opportunists and ignorant conspiracy theorists who would be pushing these narratives regardless.

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49 minutes ago, badrouter said:

Citizens are owed the truth, and full transparency from their government. Particularly when government has elected to go with unprecedented, draconian restrictions and mandates.

The truth is the same as it was in April 2020: nobody knows for certain what the origins of COVID were. The government's denials haven't stopped reckless speculation about it either.

So your whining about it seems utterly pointless. I want to know the truth too but I'd also like the pandemic to be over.

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51 minutes ago, badrouter said:

It is now quite clear that Fauci and Collins have worked to crush critics of their work. 

No shit.

This is the stupidest criticism imaginable.

Of course in the middle of 100-year pandemic the leading scientists were concerned that reckless speculation from partisan actors was a threat to the national and international response.

They were right.

If you go through anybody's emails you can stir up shit any which way you want. It's a fishing expedition.

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54 minutes ago, badrouter said:

These guys allowed themselves to be dragged down into the partisan pig pen, and they've got mud all over themselves.  

This is utterly mindless.

Rand Paul is currently trying to drag them into a partisan pig pen and would be doing so anyway regardless of what they said in 2020.

Your posts are unceasingly moronic.

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