HSFBfan Posted August 8, 2017 Report Share Posted August 8, 2017 Just now, Cal 14 said: No, but those two are not comparable by the law. Well where does it stop. If the person doesnt eat they starve right so does the government tell businesses that they have to feed everyone whether they can pay for the meal or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cal 14 Posted August 8, 2017 Report Share Posted August 8, 2017 3 minutes ago, HSFBfan said: just look at chicago Chicago today = Los Angeles 1980s There was virtually nothing that anybody could do about the gangs in LA. Ultimately, they were the ones who called for the cease fire. It sucks, but that effectively is what has to happen in Chicago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thc6795 Posted August 8, 2017 Report Share Posted August 8, 2017 2 minutes ago, Cal 14 said: They don't. That's just silly.http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/sep/09/donald-trump/trump-says-veterans-treated-worse-illegal-immigran/ Seriously you quote politifact? I see this every day Regardless if you want to believe it or not. An illegal alien can be arrested as many as 9 times for a DUI, what happens to him? Nothing. How many times can an American be arrested for DUI before his world come crashing down? Running The Data On PolitiFact Shows Bias Against Conservatives Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thc6795 Posted August 8, 2017 Report Share Posted August 8, 2017 2 minutes ago, Cal 14 said: Geez... do you read? It was suggested that that law shouldn't exist. Who suggested that? I asked when did health care become a right? Which still has not been answered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted August 8, 2017 Report Share Posted August 8, 2017 1 minute ago, Cal 14 said: Chicago today = Los Angeles 1980s There was virtually nothing that anybody could do about the gangs in LA. Ultimately, they were the ones who called for the cease fire. It sucks, but that effectively is what has to happen in Chicago. The gangs have basically said they will not stop so now the federal government hopefully will step in a rectify the situation. The guy there has basically said he would rather fight for the illegals then for the citizens and on that basis alone should be removed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cal 14 Posted August 8, 2017 Report Share Posted August 8, 2017 1 minute ago, HSFBfan said: Well where does it stop. If the person doesnt eat they starve right so does the government tell businesses that they have to feed everyone whether they can pay for the meal or not. One is theft, the other is a life/death situation. In an advanced society, we can't just have people dropping on the street. The solution is probably single-payer. Then, you wouldn't need to worry about premiums. You talk about how Washington is greedy... well, much of that greed is due to the medical industry. Single-payer effectively ends that. Your taxes go up, but everyone with whom I've spoken (Canada, UK) say that their taxes are actually lower than our premiums and that they love their system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted August 8, 2017 Report Share Posted August 8, 2017 Just now, Cal 14 said: One is theft, the other is a life/death situation. In an advanced society, we can't just have people dropping on the street. The solution is probably single-payer. Then, you wouldn't need to worry about premiums. You talk about how Washington is greedy... well, much of that greed is due to the medical industry. Single-payer effectively ends that. Your taxes go up, but everyone with whom I've spoken (Canada, UK) say that their taxes are actually lower than our premiums and that they love their system. Yes i know. Been to Canada alot. They really do like their system and everyone pays into it. For example if you go to Canada as a tourist and go to dinner there will be a health tax on that bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cal 14 Posted August 8, 2017 Report Share Posted August 8, 2017 2 minutes ago, thc6795 said: Who suggested that? I asked when did health care become a right? Which still has not been answered. You didn't. HSFBfan did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted August 8, 2017 Report Share Posted August 8, 2017 2 minutes ago, GardenStateBaller said: I was in Chicago last week for business. It's a beautiful, clean, fun city. The "Chicago" you read about on the news is a small section that most will never venture in to. Well shouldnt it be cleaned up??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thc6795 Posted August 8, 2017 Report Share Posted August 8, 2017 Just now, Cal 14 said: One is theft, the other is a life/death situation. In an advanced society, we can't just have people dropping on the street. The solution is probably single-payer. Then, you wouldn't need to worry about premiums. You talk about how Washington is greedy... well, much of that greed is due to the medical industry. Single-payer effectively ends that. Your taxes go up, but everyone with whom I've spoken (Canada, UK) say that their taxes are actually lower than our premiums and that they love their system. I wanted to like your post except for the first part. IMHO illegal aliens are stealing healthcare that should only be provided for American citizens. The rest of your post I agree with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cal 14 Posted August 8, 2017 Report Share Posted August 8, 2017 1 minute ago, HSFBfan said: Yes i know. Been to Canada alot. They really do like their system and everyone pays into it. For example if you go to Canada as a tourist and go to dinner there will be a health tax on that bill Well... then is there a reason why you wouldn't want that here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thc6795 Posted August 8, 2017 Report Share Posted August 8, 2017 I honestly am not in favor of any government controlled health care. They already pretty much decide who lives and who dies. Giving them control of our health seals our fate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted August 8, 2017 Report Share Posted August 8, 2017 Just now, Cal 14 said: Well... then is there a reason why you wouldn't want that here? i just dont like the government more in my life than they are. like someone said a lot of corruption in the government and now they are gonna hold all the keys to healthcare no thanks. Bring back the individual companies. Let them compete for my business with reasonable rates that people can afford. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cal 14 Posted August 8, 2017 Report Share Posted August 8, 2017 1 minute ago, thc6795 said: I wanted to like your post except for the first part. IMHO illegal aliens are stealing healthcare that should only be provided for American citizens. The rest of your post I agree with. If someone walks into an emergency room, they don't have time to prove whether or not they are a citizen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted August 8, 2017 Report Share Posted August 8, 2017 Just now, thc6795 said: I honestly am not in favor of any government controlled health care. They already pretty much decide who lives and who dies. Giving them control of our health seals our fate. i just said the same thing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted August 8, 2017 Report Share Posted August 8, 2017 Just now, Cal 14 said: If someone walks into an emergency room, they don't have time to prove whether or not they are a citizen. on medical forms is your social security number. if you dont have a SSN that should be a red flag corrrect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thc6795 Posted August 8, 2017 Report Share Posted August 8, 2017 Just now, Cal 14 said: If someone walks into an emergency room, they don't have time to prove whether or not they are a citizen. when is the last time you have been in an emergency room? I can tell you first hand most of the people in there are not in there do to a life threatening condition. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cal 14 Posted August 8, 2017 Report Share Posted August 8, 2017 Just now, thc6795 said: I honestly am not in favor of any government controlled health care. They already pretty much decide who lives and who dies. Giving them control of our health seals our fate. A colleague of mine in the UK said that in addition to their state coverage, you could buy additional private insurance for smaller cases. He also has something that guarantees the same level of care anywhere in Europe as he would get in the UK. But, he did also say that if you needed anything major done, you wanted to be in the state hospitals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted August 8, 2017 Report Share Posted August 8, 2017 Just now, GardenStateBaller said: Of course! But the current administration obviously doesn't believe those lives matter. Nope. Have to help those poor ILLEGALS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thc6795 Posted August 8, 2017 Report Share Posted August 8, 2017 Just now, Cal 14 said: A colleague of mine in the UK said that in addition to their state coverage, you could buy additional private insurance for smaller cases. He also has something that guarantees the same level of care anywhere in Europe as he would get in the UK. But, he did also say that if you needed anything major done, you wanted to be in the state hospitals. See why would anyone need more insurance to cover their insurance? It is like gap insurance a total scam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted August 8, 2017 Report Share Posted August 8, 2017 1 minute ago, thc6795 said: when is the last time you have been in an emergency room? I can tell you first hand most of the people in there are not in there do to a life threatening condition. i worked at a hospital for 3 years. I saw more people come in for headaches and tooth aches then they did for emergency things Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cal 14 Posted August 8, 2017 Report Share Posted August 8, 2017 Just now, thc6795 said: See why would anyone need more insurance to cover their insurance? It is like gap insurance a total scam. Quicker care for less-critical cases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thc6795 Posted August 8, 2017 Report Share Posted August 8, 2017 Just now, Cal 14 said: Quicker care for less-critical cases. but again why should I need more insurance how does this save me money? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cal 14 Posted August 8, 2017 Report Share Posted August 8, 2017 Just now, HSFBfan said: i worked at a hospital for 3 years. I saw more people come in for headaches and tooth aches then they did for emergency things Again... the whole point of the ACA. Those people should have gone to see a regular doctor with their insurance. Furthermore, whether or not this was the case has a lot to due with whether or not your state expanded medicare. https://www2.deloitte.com/content/dam/Deloitte/us/Documents/life-sciences-health-care/us-lshc-emergency-room-use-under-the-aca.pdf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cal 14 Posted August 8, 2017 Report Share Posted August 8, 2017 4 minutes ago, thc6795 said: but again why should I need more insurance how does this save me money? The additional coverage is 100% optional. If you don't want it, don't buy it. This guy happened to want it. Isn't that your point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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