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3 hours ago, GoBigBlack said:

   (Clueless)  As am I, to your original response.

Last time Bro, this ain't rocket science,

* My original response to your post: "Nice Observation" ( a compliment ), "Don't no" ( should be KNOW) "whether to laugh" ( Zillionaires in space ) "or cry" (having battle tested warriors guarding children so they are safe in schools )  " :)" (smiley face symbolizing happiness)........We good ?  

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  On 5/27/2022 at 12:17 AM, GoBigBlack said:

Police officers aren’t trained to respond to those situations. They write traffic tickets and break up fights. 
 

Veterans would be a much better choice. That’s the stuff they train for. And here we are, talking about hiring warfighters to keep our schools safe while zillionaires are flying to outer space for fun. What a country…

Nice observation, don't no whether to laugh or cry  :)

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7 hours ago, Oldballcoach said:

You have proven your a mental midget when the Texas DPS admitted they stood in the hallway for 40 minutes doing nothing. How about the officers telling kids to ask for help before incapacitating the shooter who then shoots a girl yelling help. However keep telling yourself it is the big bad NRA. Like I said you are a hypocrite or dunce of the worst kind. How is that Chicago gun control working for you, NY, LA, etc etc etc. Yes I bought my first AR with my father at 19 I started hunting at 11. When we had a person try to break in when I was at work my wife got the AR put the EO Tech on him and held him with our 2 Rotts till police showed up 15 minutes later. So yes my sons have been trained since they were young guns are tools not toys. If you want to regulate weapons in the socialist republic of NY go right ahead doesnt bother me dont force it on us in our area.

I'm glad you were able to defend yourself with your gun when needed...that's how it was meant to be. A homeowner protects his home. I'm a hunter and know that you don't need a military style weapon of destruction to hunt. It's overkill and unnecessary. You can hunt and protect yourself with many other weapons besides a weapon of mass destruction. It's also a cultural thing. You guys down south worship your guns and your "right to bear arms" no matter how big that weapon is...our forefathers didn't want a country full of people carrying weapons of mass destruction. Thry were running around shooting muskets...not 30 rounds in 30 seconds....that's not needed and we've seen the results far too often. You guys down south think the big cities are to blame for all the violence when per-capita most murders happen down south in poor cities. 

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'It's straight out of a playbook': At NRA convention, conspiracy theories abound

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Fri, May 27, 2022, 9:23 PM
 
 

HOUSTON — The protesters who raised their middle fingers and shouted “shame” outside the National Rifle Association’s big gathering here on Friday had assumed — like much of official Washington — that the timing of a school shooting three days earlier might somehow be problematic for the NRA.

For gun enthusiasts and the Republican politicians courting them, it was only more reason to come.

Here, amid acres of guns and tactical gear inside a cavernous convention hall, the proximate cause of the mass shooting in Uvalde, Texas, was not a rifle, but mental illness, shadowy forces of evil or, as one man in a “Let’s Go Brandon” T-shirt put it, the “destruction of our children” by the teachings of the left.

In Uvalde, a makeshift memorial of white wooden crosses had gone up for the 19 children and two adults slain. But at the NRA meeting in Houston, less than 300 miles away, the shooting had been reduced to a sling stone in the broader culture wars. The slaughter, it was universally agreed, was a tragedy. But gun owners saw themselves as set upon, too.

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The Second Amendment, former President Donald Trump said, was “totally under siege.” Sen. Ted Cruz, a Texas Republican, said the “real goal” of many politicians on the left “is disarming America.” Kristi Noem, the Republican governor of South Dakota who, like Cruz, may run for president in 2024, warned, “Now is not the time to cave to the woke culture.”

“It’s not a gun control problem. It’s a demon control problem,” said Joe Chambers, who had traveled to the conference from Porter, Texas.

His wife, Ana, gestured to the TV cameras and demonstrators outside: “This is all propaganda,” she said. “They’ll use anything to make us look bad.”

On Friday, as the NRA opened its Memorial Day weekend conference, Trump said that if he runs for president again in 2024 and wins, he will adopt a more militaristic approach to public safety, pledging to “crack down on violent crime like never before.”

But beyond that, the reaction by Republicans and the gun lobby to Uvalde followed traditional lines. They called for more spending on school security measures and mental health, while pointing to gun violence in heavily populated, liberal cities. In interview after interview, conference-goers volunteered the federal government’s $40 billion aid package to Ukraine as evidence that the government could afford to spend money hardening schools.

Some, including at least one gun seller, said they could support enacting additional, though limited, gun restrictions. But they were no more prevalent than the conference attendees who were entertaining conspiracy theories, uncertain whether the left was setting them up.

“Why did it happen three days ago?” asked Jim Hollis, a lifetime NRA benefactor from St. Louis. “I’m not sure that there are not forces someplace that somehow find troubled people and nurture and develop them and push them for their own agendas.”

Hollis, who asserted the shooter in Uvalde “could have walked in there with a baseball bat and possibly killed as many kids,” feared the “the attack on gun rights” was “strengthening” after Uvalde.

“There are people who thought they could use this Uvalde situation to dampen this [meeting],” he said.

Said another man, who declined to give his name, at the conference: “It’s straight out of a playbook.”

The NRA meeting was not unaffected by the shooting. Several musicians who had planned to perform at the event — and whose audiences are broader than a GOP primary electorate — did cancel on the NRA. Larry Gatlin, of the Gatlin Brothers, told CNN he “didn’t think it was a good time to go down to Houston and have a party.”

Texas GOP Gov. Greg Abbott, who had been scheduled to speak at the conference, elected to return to Uvalde instead, though he recorded a video message for the NRA. Daniel Defense, the company that made the gun used in Uvalde — and which posted an image on social media of a small child holding a gun prior to the mass shooting — pulled out.

But there's a reason that Trump, Cruz and Noem, among others, were all on hand.

“If you’re a politician with a long-term vision, these are opportunities to stand up for the Second Amendment when it’s not easy to do, which could prove useful for a politician, perhaps not in today’s news cycle, but down the road,” said John Thomas, a Republican strategist works on House campaigns across the country.

He said he could envision cutting an ad featuring a Republican’s remarks at the conference: “When times were tough, and the weaker RINOs and liberals wanted to take your guns, you know, such and such stood up for your right to protect yourself and your family.”

It’s that political incentive that explains why, for many Republicans, attendance at the NRA convention was not problematic at all — and also why passage of gun restrictions remains so unlikely. Nationally — and even in heavily Republican Texas — public polling reflects broad support for stricter gun measures. But in recent years, Texas lawmakers have loosened gun laws, not made them more restrictive.

“You can look at the public opinion data and see, yes, there are Republicans who will support things like background checks and ‘red flag laws,’” said James Henson, director of the Texas Politics Project at the University of Texas at Austin, which has polled regularly on the issue. “But the political debate appeals to other impulses that are also evident in public opinion that suggest it is very easy to present Republican voters with slippery slope-type arguments that hinge on negative partisanship and switch the frame of the debate.”

Henson said, “So the debate isn’t about are there reasonable compromises here that might reduce the possibility of events like this,” but rather the GOP’s capitalization on a politically salient message that “Democrats want to take away your guns and are fundamentally against the Constitution and are enemies of Second Amendment rights and therefore rights in general.”

That’s precisely the case that Trump made on Friday, when he derided calls for stricter gun measures as a first step to “total gun confiscation.”

After he finished speaking, as conference-goers left the hall, they were met on the sidewalk by demonstrators who demanded to know if there were any additional gun restrictions they could agree to.

For the most part, the answer was “No.”

“These people, year after year, tragedy after tragedy, it’s the same damn thing over and over again,” said Roland Gutierrez, a Democratic state senator whose district includes Uvalde. “I sometimes think these guys just double down on their madness … rallying up their base of constituents that believe that even mentioning guns is infringing on their Second Amendment rights.”

“It’s mental health and the devil,” he said, in reference to the explanations of gun rights supporters. “And it’s unacceptable … It’s unconscionable.”

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3 hours ago, DBP66 said:

I'm glad you were able to defend yourself with your gun when needed...that's how it was meant to be. A homeowner protects his home. I'm a hunter and know that you don't need a military style weapon of destruction to hunt. It's overkill and unnecessary. You can hunt and protect yourself with many other weapons besides a weapon of mass destruction. It's also a cultural thing. You guys down south worship your guns and your "right to bear arms" no matter how big that weapon is...our forefathers didn't want a country full of people carrying weapons of mass destruction. Thry were running around shooting muskets...not 30 rounds in 30 seconds....that's not needed and we've seen the results far too often. You guys down south think the big cities are to blame for all the violence when per-capita most murders happen down south in poor cities. 

Hey once again you prove you are an idiot. They had automatic weapons in the look up the Puckle Gun from 1717. Also I know your thought patterns are limited so I will remind you that automatic weapons have been illegal to own for years unless you receive a federal stamp which is processed by the ATF and despite that only legal in 35 states. Even if you do get your stamp good luck full auto AR 15 cost around 10-12 grand. I love the argument the founding fathers didnt want….you know what they didnt want the a federal force over running a state which is the point of the 2nd. Read the federalist papers by Madison. The 2nd was derived from English common law and had nothing to do with hunting. It was plainly stated even in 1619 the right was for protection against over reach. Yup all big cities run by democrats and have been for years even “down south” where I do not live. For example, New Orleans last time they had a non democrat mayor 1872. 

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8 hours ago, RedZone said:

How about all sorts of things AFTER yet another mass shooting????

You've really offered nothing new or stimulating.

I guess you're fighting for your team though.

 

I dont offer anything because thats not what he attacked.

We need a combination of remedies. For example Buffalo shooter was charged with threatening to shoot his HS up. He was a minor so no record & why the background check didnt pop. The samething happened in Texas this kid if look into had a history a mile long and was known by his classmates as violate and abusive. Cant tell how many incidents in schools I have seen were a violent kid brings a weapon and is back in school after a week or so. Happened this year at my sons school which is a “good” school. Kid held a knife to a kids throat. He was in in school suspension for 20 days. We need to enforce laws on the books as well. When a felon does try to by a gun lock him up period stop releasing or not investigating these incidents. Until we address these thing we can blame guns, NRA, etc all we want it wont stop anything. 

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12 hours ago, FreeBird said:

You think banning ARs if gonna stop mass shootings and gonna deter the shooter from not hating life and snapping

 

 

im not arguing I’m asking, cause the deadliest mass shooting at Virginia tech was done with a pistol, plus 30 kills with a pistol 

And we cant do anything about the past. 

This about preventing shit like this in the future. 

The AR is just a start. 

We need stricter mental checks and evaluations. 

But again... 

Why even bother trying to go to the table we all know what'll happen. 

 

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20 minutes ago, TheMaximumHornetSting said:

And we cant do anything about the past. 

This about preventing shit like this in the future. 

The AR is just a start. 

We need stricter mental checks and evaluations. 

But again... 

Why even bother trying to go to the table we all know what'll happen. 

 

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Need more armed security and safety measures put in place, this whole mass shooting happened cause a teacher left the door to school propped open so she can get something out of car and shooter just walked right in

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9 minutes ago, FreeBird said:

Need more armed security and safety measures put in place, this whole mass shooting happened cause a teacher left the door to school propped open so she can get something out of car and shooter just walked right in

So the answer to Gun Problems is more guns... 

Armed guards in school... 

LOL what school district is gonna wanna pay for this? 

If a bill for it gets introduced will it get passed? 

I doubt it... 

Everybodys to busy being butt hurt over y'know what and y'know who... 

Itll get rejected just because the skies blue... 

 

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14 minutes ago, TheMaximumHornetSting said:

So the answer to Gun Problems is more guns... 

Armed guards in school... 

LOL what school district is gonna wanna pay for this? 

If a bill for it gets introduced will it get passed? 

I doubt it... 

Everybodys to busy being butt hurt over y'know what and y'know who... 

Itll get rejected just because the skies blue... 

 

We got armed security to protect banks and money why shouldn’t we protect our kids with same energy

 

we’re funding a war with Ukraine we got the money to easily provide mental health officials and armed security for the school districts that simply can’t fund it, trust me we obviously got the money

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29 minutes ago, FreeBird said:

I actually find it funny that the guys  on here that owns multiple guns complaining about gun control , like y’all the reason we in this mess anyway, im talking to you @TheMaximumHornetSting @DBP66 

And I went through and got mine legally. 

And Ive shot up how many schools? 

Im how unhinged? 

Ive stated multiple times that Im not Anti-Gun.... 

But I still believe that something needs to be done. 

I fail to see how weve contributed to any of the BS going on... 

Youre just reaching for straws because your argument is faulty and has nothing to stand on but "My 2nd ammendment rights shall not be infringed!!!!" At the top of your lungs. 

Im not an irresponsible gun owner. 

I dont carry my guns everywhere with me and theyre not my end all be all... 

Im not a gun humping maniac... 

Rather it be armed guards or mental checks something NEEDS to be done. 

But I know it wont get done. 

 

And also if youre gonna call me out make it make sense... 

How is it my or DBP's fault... 

Try something else.

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5 minutes ago, TheMaximumHornetSting said:

And I went through and got mine legally. 

And Ive shot up how many schools? 

Im how unhinged? 

Ive stated multiple times that Im not Anti-Gun.... 

But I still believe that something needs to be done. 

I fail to see how weve contributed to any of the BS going on... 

Youre just reaching for straws because your argument is faulty and has nothing to stand on but "My 2nd ammendment rights shall not be infringed!!!!" At the top of your lungs. 

Im not an irresponsible gun owner. 

I dont carry my guns everywhere with me and theyre not my end all be all... 

Im not a gun humping maniac... 

Rather it be armed guards or mental checks something NEEDS to be done. 

But I know it wont get done. 

 

And also if youre gonna call me out make it make sense... 

How is it my or DBP's fault... 

Try something else.

I’m sure most of these shooters got thier guns legally , shit the harvest festival shooter padlock was like a millionaire lawyer or something and seemed fine until one day he just snapped

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My brothers on the left please stop. It's a lost cause on these indoctrinated bozo's. Their answer, along with the bought and sold politicians, is always more guns. Their perfect world has a police force in the schools, movie houses, malls, grocery stores, churches, street corners, and all other public spaces. Damn if that doesn't sound like a Commie Nation or a third world Banana Republic. What could go wrong in that twisted scenario. "Acne Security has a gun fight with Bloods and Crips on 42nd and Broadway, 167 bystanders killed in the crossfire. All participants had AR-15's and wore body armor. News at 6."      

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7 minutes ago, dan in daytona said:

You can't have Brothers on the Right. Freedom loving, red blooded American's are lone wolf's that only shop at Bass Pro Shops and Cabela's.

They also allow Rich grifters to ingrain themselves into their party and tell them whats real and whats fake while calling themselves free thinkers and accusing everyone else of being sheep... 

Just Observations Ive made... 

Wont call any names... 

But the "Patriots" and "Free Thinkers"  on capital Hill may as well be gnats in the wind.... 

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