STA transfer list

[Atticus Finch]

2 hours ago, Bodysurf said:

Please let me know what rules are ‘technically’ being broken. It’s a serious question as I truly am interested in knowing. 

He's full of shit.

He doesn't know anything about FHSAA bylaws.

[RedZone]

1 hour ago, Bodysurf said:

Perhaps I don’t know Florida regulations well enough, but if transferring was made legal, what rules would be broken if they accurately tracked it? Are there any restrictions or can any kid regardless of grade transfer at will to any school he wants?

For one thing kids transferring 2 and 3 times was not part of the criteria.

It's just a big mess down there if you look at it objectively.

https://www.si.com/college/ucf/high-school-football/fixing-fl-hs-fb-recruiting-issues

 

That number includes players that transferred two and three times in one single year. What’s going on? Changing high schools should not be like changing a shirt. There need to be stringent regulations for how and when a Florida high school football player transfers.

[Atticus Finch]

1 minute ago, RedZone said:

For one thing kids transferring 2 and 3 times was not part of the criteria.

It's just a big mess down there if you look at it objectively.

https://www.si.com/college/ucf/high-school-football/fixing-fl-hs-fb-recruiting-issues

Transferring schools is not against any rules so doing it 2 or 3 times isn't somehow against any "criteria."

You just don't like it so you pretend that it's illegal.

That article is just a guy whining about not liking transfers. Again, nothing at all about illegality.

[RedZone]

1 minute ago, Atticus Finch said:

Transferring schools is not against any rules so doing it 2 or 3 times isn't somehow against any "criteria."

You just don't like it so you pretend that it's illegal.

That article is just a guy whining about not liking transfers. Again, nothing at all about illegality.

Relax, Finch.

STA is NOT going to jail!

[Atticus Finch]

RedZone's next cope: telling other people to relax while he's freaking out in dozens of posts about a subject that he's ignorant about.

[RedZone]

3 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said:

You just don't like it so you pretend that it's illegal.

Nothing wrong with transfers in normal schools and situations.....but much like ca bosco who people have said are close to 30-40 transfers this year, it's a damn problem. STA, mater haze, St Fances, and etc....all guilty of being the problem

Stop pretending!

 

[Atticus Finch]

3 minutes ago, RedZone said:

Nothing wrong with transfers in normal schools and situations....

It's just that any school that's better than those in Louisiana is not normal, right?

You're so transparent.

I don't even know why you try to pretend that you have a standard other than the one listed above.

[RedZone]

1 minute ago, Atticus Finch said:

It's just that any school that's better than those in Louisiana is not normal, right?

You're so transparent.

I don't even know why you try to pretend that you have a standard other than the one listed above.

Louisiana has nothing to do with the articles I posted, Finch 

Don't blame me for the total madness and chaos down in Florida.

It would be a better look for you if you just said. "yep it's pretty bad, but it is what it is"

 

[Atticus Finch]

Just now, RedZone said:

Louisiana has nothing to do with the articles I posted, Finch 

But Louisiana has everything do with your obsession with the topic.

[Bodysurf]

18 minutes ago, RedZone said:

 

That number includes players that transferred two and three times in one single year. What’s going on? Changing high schools should not be like changing a shirt. There need to be stringent regulations for how and when a Florida high school football player transfers.

It doesn’t matter if a kid transfers 100 times. No rule is being broken. Just because you don’t like it, and I actually don’t like it either, doesn’t make it illegal. 
 

[Atticus Finch]

1 minute ago, RedZone said:

It would be a better look for you if you just said. "yep it's pretty bad, but it is what it is"

So it would better if everybody just agreed with you even if they don't believe it?

Yeah, no shit.

You might win an argument for once.

[Atticus Finch]

Just now, Bodysurf said:

It doesn’t matter if a kid transfers 100 times. No rule is being broken. Just because you don’t like it, and I actually don’t like it either, doesn’t make it illegal. 
 

He posts an article of some guy whining about transfers and pretends like he proved that something illegal is happening.

His logic is basically: "I think this thing is crazy therefore it must be illegal."

[RedZone]

1 minute ago, RedZone said:

It would be a better look for you if you just said. "yep it's pretty bad, but it is what it is"

I could  respect that.

You trying to convince people it's cool that kids can transfer 3 or 4 times a year....not so much respect for that.

 

[RedZone]

3 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said:

But Louisiana has everything do with your obsession with the topic.

If you say so.

Anyways, I'll try again.

What's STA's schedule this year?

[RedZone]

Welcome back, Fin😃ch! 

[Atticus Finch]

4 minutes ago, RedZone said:

You trying to convince people it's cool that kids can transfer 3 or 4 times a year....not so much respect for that.

No, I'm trying to inform people that nothing you claimed is illegal is *actually* illegal.

I love how you went from "transferring" to "transferring 2 to 3 times" to "transferring 3 to 4 times."

As with everything else, RedZone's fantastical stories just keep getting more fanciful.

[RedZone]

1 minute ago, Atticus Finch said:

No, I'm trying to inform people that nothing you claimed is illegal is *actually* illegal.

And I conceded STA wasn't going to jail...

[RedZone]

Schedule?????

[MD87]

15 hours ago, RedZone said:

Technically they are breaking rules just like mater haze, ca bosco and etc.

A lot of states don't put up with that bull crap. Because some states have lost total control doesn't make it right. These roster raiders aren't going to jail, but they're still getting away with stuff that doesn't fly in most places.

 

 

 

Which rules?  Put up or shut up.  (Or you could just shut up. Damn, we'd all take that in a heartbeat.)

[chalmetteowl]

12 hours ago, RedZone said:

If the FHSAA had an accurate method for tracking student transfers you would see what rules have been broken.

It's pretty silly thinking Florida All Star squads are not abusing a broken system.

 

In 2016, Governor Rick Scott signed HB 7029 on school choice into law.

The law allows a student to enroll in any public school in the state that has not reached capacity.

In addition, a transfer student is eligible immediately to join an existing team if all other eligibility criteria are met, according to the law.

In an email to News 6, a spokesperson for the Florida High School Athletic Association wrote the association “does not have an accurate method for tracking student transfers.”

https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2022/01/27/florida-law-allows-high-school-students-to-transfer-schools-for-athletics/

we need that in Louisiana

 

[OldTerrapin]

Although Florida has school choice which is supposed to be an academic choice. Transferring for athletic advantage or athletic purpose is pretty much against the States Athletic Association's rules in every state. Recruiting is difficult to prove though and usually requires a whistle blowers or solid video evidence.  Just because a school don't get caught doesn't mean it isn't breaking rules

 

https://fhsaa.com/sports/2020/3/11/Recruiting.aspx

 

FHSAA Bylaw 6.3.2 defines recruiting as the use of undue influence or special inducement by anyone associated with the school in an attempt to encourage a prospective student to attend or remain at that school for the purpose of participating in interscholastic athletics. Athletic recruiting is considered an act of gross unsportsmanlike conduct. Undue influence and special inducement is any effort by a school employee, athletic department staff member or representative of a school’s athletic interests to pressure, urge or entice a student to attend that school for the purpose of participating in interscholastic athletics – FHSAA Policy 36.2.1.

 

 

A representative of a school’s athletic interests refers to any independent person, business or organization that participates in, assists with and/or promotes that school’s interscholastic athletic program – FHSAA Policy 36.2.1.1. This includes:

• A student-athlete or other student participant in the athletic program at that school;
• The parents, guardians or other family members of a student-athlete or other student participant in the athletic program at that school;
• Immediate relatives of a coach or other member of the athletic department staff at that school;
• A volunteer with that school’s athletic program;
• A member of an athletic booster organization of that school;
• A person, business or organization that makes financial or in-kind contributions to the athletic department or that is otherwise involved in promoting the school’s interscholastic athletic program.

 

"Improper contact" is contact, either directly or indirectly, whether in person or through written or electronic communication, by a school employee, athletic department staff member, representative of the school’s athletic interests or third parties, such as an independent person, business or organization, with a student or any member of the student’s family, in an effort to pressure, urge or entice the student to attend a different school for the purpose of participating in interscholastic athletics.

Casual contact by an employee, athletic department staff member or representative of the athletic interests of a school with a student who attends another school in normal community settings is not a violation. At NO time during such contact may the conversation pressure, urge or entice the student to attend a school for the purpose of participating in interscholastic athletics.

 

The FHSAA has encountered athletic recruiting through various methods. The following are some, but not limited to, of the methods used:

• Social media
• Text or other digital messaging
• Direct contact by coaches
• Indirect contact through “friends of a program”
• Student-athletes or parent(s)/guardian(s) of student-athletes

[OldTerrapin]

Are there separate rules for public and private schools?
No. All FHSAA member schools are required to follow all the FHSAA Bylaws, Policies and Administrative Procedures.

Why are private schools allowed to recruit?
Private schools follow the same FHSAA Bylaws Policies and Administrative Procedures as Public schools.

Is there any form of recruiting that is permissible?
Yes. A school may conduct an academic recruitment program that is designed to attract students to the school based upon its total educational and extracurricular activities program. A school must not use an academic recruitment program as a disguise for athletic recruiting.

Are schools permitted to provide athletic scholarships?
No. Students who are determined to qualify for need based assistance as approved by a FHSAA independent financial needs assessment company may receive assistance as outlined in FHSAA Policy 38.

Is a recruited student eligible to participate?
Yes, unless it is determined the student or parent(s)/guardian(s) accepted an impermissible benefit or falsified information to gain athletic eligibility. At that time the student will be rendered ineligible for one or more years.

[Atticus Finch]

Old Terrapin doing that thing where someone conflates transferring with recruiting.

It's either insidious or ignorant.

Either way it's irrelevant to the topic of this thread.

Recruiting has always been illegal and nobody has tried to defend it when present.

[OldTerrapin]

19 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said:

Old Terrapin doing that thing where someone conflates transferring with recruiting.

It's either insidious or ignorant.

Either way it's irrelevant to the topic of this thread.

Recruiting has always been illegal and nobody has tried to defend it when present.

Wasn't offering any opinion either way on STA or any school. Was just posting the rules so folks could debate informedly.  It's been my experience transfers particularly en masse or if there are consistently more than the normal amount a high school would have that all play a particular sport most certainly incudes recruitment of some sort in every case. Transfers and recruiting go hand in hand so it is certainly relevant to the topic.

It doesn't take much to be in violation of the FHSAA recruiting rules and schools that get an unusually high rate of transfers for football almost certainly violate these rules. So yes it's relevant to the topic

IMPROPER CONTACT – POLICY 37.1.2 37.1.2

Specific Prohibitions. Specifically prohibited contact by school employees, athletic department staff members, representatives of the school’s athletic interests or third parties with a student includes, but is not limited to, the following:

37.1.2.1 Sending, or arranging for anyone else to send, any form of written or electronic communication to the student or any member of his/her family, in an attempt to pressure, urge or entice the student to attend a different school to participate in interscholastic athletics.

37.1.2.2 Visiting or entertaining the student or any member of his/her family in an attempt to pressure, urge or entice the student to attend a different school to participate in interscholastic athletics.

37.1.2.3 Making a presentation or distributing any form of advertisement, commercial or material that promotes primarily or exclusively a school’s athletic program or implies a school’s athletic program is better than the athletic program of any other school or suggests that the student’s athletic career would be better served by attending a different school.

37.1.2.4 Answering an inquiry by the student or any member of his/her family about athletic participation opportunities at a school with any response that pressures, urges or entices the student to attend a different school. The student or family member instead should be immediately referred to the school employee responsible for registrations or admissions.

37.1.2.5 Providing transportation to the student or any member of his/her family to visit a school, to take an entrance examination for a school, to participate in an athletic tryout at a school, or to meet with a school employee, athletic department staff member, other representative of the school’s athletic interests or third parties, as part of an effort to pressure, urge or facilitate the student’s attendance at a different school to participate in interscholastic athletics.

37.1.2.6 Attending an elementary school, a junior high school, a middle school or a non-school athletic contest to identify prospective student-athletes who might be recruited to attend a school.

37.1.2.7 Suggesting or going along with any effort by any person, whether a school employee, other representative of the school’s athletic interests or any other person, such as an alumnus of a school, a coach or other person affiliated with a non-school athletic program (e.g. AAU team, club team, travel team, recreation league team, etc.), a coach of or recruiter for a collegiate athletic team, a scout for a professional team or other third parties, to pressure, urge or entice the student to attend a school to participate in interscholastic athletics, or to direct or place the student at the school for the purpose of participating in interscholastic athletics.

37.1.2.8 Making or arranging any other contact with the student or any member of his/her family in an attempt to pressure, urge or entice the student to attend a school to participate in interscholastic athletics.

[Atticus Finch]

27 minutes ago, OldTerrapin said:

Wasn't offering any opinion either way on STA or any school. Was just posting the rules so folks could debate informedly.

You posted rules that are totally inconsequential to the topic.

You did exactly what I said: you conflated two different topics. And are *still* doing it.