What they don’t teach you about Slavery in school

[DevilDog]

2 minutes ago, Wildcat Will said:

I am wise to their deceitful tongues.

I am in tune with the false rhetoric exclaimed by them concerning all things black.

Knowing self is an important trait not adhered to by the gullable.

Once you learn of Self you will only succeed.  Every VP that meets with me regularly has read Bannekers letter to Thomas Jefferson.  Each one of them white.  They are very respectful of me as I am of them.  Without them I dont know what level of success.  They asked me  would I wear green on St. Patrick's day and I said when an Irish man comes to me and ask how to celebrate Juneteenth I will go green until then I dont care about his celebrations anymore than he does mine .  That's knowledge of self.  

[concha]

56 minutes ago, DevilDog said:

*The Moors community is celebrated on this date c 200.  They were Black Muslims of Northwest African and the Iberian Peninsula during the medieval era.

This included present-day Spain and Portugal as well as the Maghreb and western Africa, whose culture is often called Moorish. 

Depiction of Moors in Spain

 

FYI, that is a cherry-picked from a much wider array of images showing a very different reality.

Check the following link. You might be surprised that this intellectually honest actually contains the very image you provided above.  The description of the ("your") image?...

The above picture of particularly dark-skinned Muslims is shown on various "Afrocentric" web pages attempting to prove that Black Africans dominated Spanish society during the Muslim occupation. But further examination of more pictures from the same Book of Games reveals the same pattern as in the Cantigas: the component of the Muslim population that approached "black African" in appearance seems to have been a small minority. If the pictures are any indication, then the bedrock of Islamic society in Spain consisted of people who resembled European or Middle Eastern types.

 

https://www.angelfire.com/md/8/moors.html

Dozens of contemporary images.  Not just a cherry-picked one.

 

 

[DevilDog]

1 minute ago, concha said:

 

FYI, that is a cherry-picked from a much wider array of images showing a very different reality.

Check the following link. You might be surprised that this intellectually honest actually contains the very image you provided above.  The description of the ("your") image?...

The above picture of particularly dark-skinned Muslims is shown on various "Afrocentric" web pages attempting to prove that Black Africans dominated Spanish society during the Muslim occupation. But further examination of more pictures from the same Book of Games reveals the same pattern as in the Cantigas: the component of the Muslim population that approached "black African" in appearance seems to have been a small minority. If the pictures are any indication, then the bedrock of Islamic society in Spain consisted of people who resembled European or Middle Eastern types.

 

https://www.angelfire.com/md/8/moors.html

Dozens of contemporary images.  Not just a cherry-picked one.

 

 

Ok its cherry picked.  Keep trying.  So your scholars are liars.  Yes or No and is your Bible lying Yes or No,  when anything is black its cherry picked.  

[concha]

1 hour ago, DevilDog said:

Moors in Algeria 1800s, are these imaginary white people.  Damn the fact. 300 arabs and over 700 African Moors attacked Spain

 

 

 

 

Not to piss on your parade, but neither of these images is contemporary. And they didn't have color photography in the 1800s.  

The painting is from 1878 and was done by an Austrian artist. He was not a time traveler so far as is known and it is not even known if he ever visited Spain or even North Africa.

Wan to see a Polaroid of the Prophet? 😂

 

 

 

[DevilDog]

8 minutes ago, concha said:

 

FYI, that is a cherry-picked from a much wider array of images showing a very different reality.

Check the following link. You might be surprised that this intellectually honest actually contains the very image you provided above.  The description of the ("your") image?...

The above picture of particularly dark-skinned Muslims is shown on various "Afrocentric" web pages attempting to prove that Black Africans dominated Spanish society during the Muslim occupation. But further examination of more pictures from the same Book of Games reveals the same pattern as in the Cantigas: the component of the Muslim population that approached "black African" in appearance seems to have been a small minority. If the pictures are any indication, then the bedrock of Islamic society in Spain consisted of people who resembled European or Middle Eastern types.

 

https://www.angelfire.com/md/8/moors.html

Dozens of contemporary images.  Not just a cherry-picked one.

 

 

We agree you come from the great deceivers.  Is this another lying ass European Scholar and what would you say to him to stop this madness he wrote .  The must to have been blind or drunk to actually see Black Moors.

A European scholar sympathetic to the Spaniards remembered the conquest in this way:

 

”The reins of their horses were as fire, their faces black as pitch, their eyes shone like burning candles, their horses were swift as leopards and the riders fiercer than a wolf in a sheepfold at night . . . The noble Goths [the German rulers of Spain] were broken in an hour, quicker than tongue can tell. Oh luckless Spain!”

Quoted in Edward Scobie, ”The Moors and Portugal’s Global Expansion”, in Golden Age of the Moor, ed Ivan Van Sertima, US, Transaction Publishers, 1992, p.336

[concha]

2 minutes ago, DevilDog said:

Ok its cherry picked.  Keep trying.  So your scholars are liars.  Yes or No and is your Bible lying Yes or No,  when anything is black its cherry picked.  

 

No. When something is cherry-picked it is cherry-picked.

 

[DevilDog]

Just now, concha said:

 

Not to piss on your parade, but neither of these images is contemporary. And they didn't have color photography in the 1800s.  

The painting is from 1878 and was done by an Austrian artist. He was not a time traveler so far as is known and it is not even known if he ever visited Spain or even North Africa.

Wan to see a Polaroid of the Prophet? 😂

 

 

 

Which  prophet?  Jeff's.  Please post the polaroid

[DevilDog]

This has been fun to say the least.  I'm officially done.  My points have been made.  

[concha]

1 minute ago, DevilDog said:

We agree you come from the great deceivers.  Is this another lying ass Eurooen Scholar and what would you say to him to stop this madness he wrote .  I've read a lot of Sertima

A European scholar sympathetic to the Spaniards remembered the conquest in this way:

 

”The reins of their horses were as fire, their faces black as pitch, their eyes shone like burning candles, their horses were swift as leopards and the riders fiercer than a wolf in a sheepfold at night . . . The noble Goths [the German rulers of Spain] were broken in an hour, quicker than tongue can tell. Oh luckless Spain!”

Quoted in Edward Scobie, ”The Moors and Portugal’s Global Expansion”, in Golden Age of the Moor, ed Ivan Van Sertima, US, Transaction Publishers, 1992, p.336

 

Again, there were blacks amongst the Muslim armies.  To a white European they would have made quite an impression.

Again, you can't get around the facts that contemporary Moorish art shows that black Moors were a minority.

And you can't get around DNA.

Keep smacking your head against the wall. You seem to enjoy it.

 

 

[concha]

1 minute ago, DevilDog said:

This has been fun to say the least.  I'm officially done.  My points have been made.  

 

And easily disproven.

Ciao.

 

[DevilDog]

@Wildcat Will

https://theafricanhistory.com/633

[concha]

Just now, DevilDog said:

@Wildcat Will

https://theafricanhistory.com/633

Actual contemporary (14th century) art depicting Moors:

[concha]

https://www.angelfire.com/md/8/moors.html

What about textual references?

Certain sites on the web ballyhoo examples of indigenous North African peoples being described as "black" by certain medieval Arab and European sources, while omitting other sources that distinguish them from "black," or even call them "white." A commonly overlooked fact is that "black" and "white" are culturally dependent terms which, in earlier times, sometimes meant "dark-complexioned" or "light-complexioned" rather than the strict racial definition in common use today. According to the anthropologist Peter Frost:

This older, more relative sense has been noted in other culture areas. The Japanese once used the terms shiroi (white) and kuroi (black) to describe their skin and its gradations of color. The Ibos of Nigeria employed ocha (white) and ojii (black) in the same way, so that nwoko ocha (white man) simply meant an Ibo with a lighter complexion. In French Canada, the older generation still refers to a swarthy Canadien as noir (black). Vestiges of this older usage persist in family names. Mr. White, Mr. Brown, and Mr. Black were individuals within the normal color spectrum of English people. Ditto for Leblanc, Lebrun, and Lenoir among the French or Weiss and Schwartz among the Germans.¹

Another example of this usage comes from Joseph ben Nathan of 13th century Europe who quoted his father as saying "we Jews come from a pure, white source, and so our faces are black."² Of course Jews weren't black African, as medieval manuscripts show them looking little different from Europeans.

Old Arab descriptions of "blacks" also reveal that what they meant by "black" is not necessarily what we understand it to mean today. Some medieval Arab writers such as al-Jahiz applied the term "blacks" to practically all peoples darker than the average Arab, and "whites" to peoples lighter than the norm:

"The blacks are more numerous than the whites. The whites at most consist of the people of Persia, Jibal, and Khurasan, the Greeks, Slavs, Franks, and Avars, and some few others, not very numerous; the blacks include the Zanj, Ethiopians, the people of Fazzan, the Berbers, the Copts, and Nubians, the people of Zaghawa, Marw, Sind and India, Qamar and Dabila, China, and Masin... the islands in the seas between China and Africa are full of blacks, such as Ceylon, Kalah, Amal, Zabij, and their islands, as far as India, China, Kabul, and those shores."³

Jahiz's inclusion of Indians, Sindhi, and Chinese as "blacks" reinforces the point that color terms taken out of their cultural contexts are too ambiguous to determine the physical characteristics of peoples with much accuracy. One Afrocentric web page offered an opinion that Jahiz was only referring to minority Negroid tribes in India or China, not to the population at large. But then, couldn't the same be said about his descriptions of North Africa?

It bears mention that the term Sudan ("Black") in classical Arabic usage did not usually encompass such a broad range of peoples. In fact the Arabic term Bilad al-Sudan ("lands of the Blacks") denoted the whole area of Africa south of the Sahara desert -- from the Atlantic Ocean in the West to the Red Sea and Indian Ocean in the East -- but did not normally include Egypt or the Maghrib (Northwest Africa).⁴

The 14th century historian Ibn Khaldun divided the known world from the equator to the northernmost lands into seven zones, by climate, south to north. The zones in the middle -- the third, fourth and fifth zones -- were the temperate ones. He wrote:

"The human inhabitants of these zones are more temperate in their bodies, color, character qualities... Such are the inhabitants of the Maghrib, of Syria, the two 'Iraqs, Western India, and China, as well as of Spain; also the European Christians nearby, the Galicians, and all those who live together with these peoples or near them in the three temperate zones."⁵

Later he goes on to write that "the inhabitants of the first and second zones in the south are called the Abyssinians, the Zanj, and the Sudanese. These are synonyms used to designate the particular nation that has turned black."⁶ So it is clear that in his view the people of North Africa are not black; the people to the south of them are. Ibn Khaldun, unlike some Arab writers, was himself a Maghribi and thus was presumably familiar with what people looked like in that region.

The Tunisian traveler Ibn Battuta specified a boundary of the Black lands when he wrote "We then arrived at the town of Iwalatan... Iwalatan is the northernmost province of the Blacks."⁷ Iwalatan, presently Walata/Oualata near the southeast corner of Mauritania, sits near the southern limit of the Sahara desert. The lands north of that, which make up the main bulk of Berber territory, were not counted by Ibn Battuta as among the black lands.

In the course of his travels, he observed a notably pale Berber tribe which he described as follows:

"At length we arrived among the Bardama. They are a Berber tribe. [...] The Bardama women are the most perfect in beauty, most remarkable in their appearance, of the purest white in their complexion and very fat."⁸

The writer al-'Umari counted even the southernmost Berber tribes as white:

"In the north of the country of Mali, there are Berber tribes who are white and are under [the Sultan of Mali's] dominion .... They are: the Yatansir, the Shagharasan, the Maddusa and the Lamtuna."⁹

and,

"The country of the Blacks also contains three independent kings, white Muslims, belonging to the Berber race: the sultan of Aïr, the sultan of Damushuh and the sultan of Tadmakka. These three white Muslim kings are in the southwest area ranging between the Barr al 'Adwa, empire of the sultan Abu l-Hasan, and the country of Mali and its dependencies."¹⁰

A source of misunderstanding about the identity of "Moors" in Europe is the Frankish epic Song of Roland, in which a contingent of one of the Saracen armies is described as "black as pitch" and "broad in the nose." But this shouldn't be too surprising, considering that the army included Ethiopians:

But what avail? Though fled be Marsilies,
He's left behind his uncle, the alcaliph
Who holds Alferne, Kartagene, Garmalie,
And Ethiope, a cursed land indeed;
The blackamoors from there are in his keep,
Broad in the nose they are and flat in the ear,
Fifty thousand and more in company. ...¹¹

 

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On the claim that the North African "Moors" used to resemble equatorial Africans before and during the Islamic occupation of Europe, and that the ethnic/racial changes came later

Highly unlikely -- see the numerous coinage portraits of North African rulers centuries before the Islamic conquest. Furthermore, the Phoenicians, Romans, Vandals, and the initial wave of Arabs all came before the penetration of Islam into Europe, not after. So the adherents of the Black Moors theory face a terrible paradox: they have to maintain that the Islamic-era immigration to North Africa drastically altered the racial makeup of the Berbers/Moors, while simultaneously denying that the pre-Islam immigration of the Phoenicians, Romans, Vandals, and the initial waves of Arabs made any significant genetic impact at all. It makes no sense.

And if there was any significant genetic change in Northwest Africa from the Arab conquest to the present, there is no reason to assume that the population lightened or became more "Caucasian" during that time. In fact the trans-Saharan slave trade and immigration from the lands south of the Sahara, continuing up to very recent times, may have had just as much (or more) genetic impact as any European or Arab immigration; although this would be difficult to verify one way or the other.

[Wildcat Will]

49 minutes ago, concha said:

https://www.angelfire.com/md/8/moors.html

What about textual references?

Certain sites on the web ballyhoo examples of indigenous North African peoples being described as "black" by certain medieval Arab and European sources, while omitting other sources that distinguish them from "black," or even call them "white." A commonly overlooked fact is that "black" and "white" are culturally dependent terms which, in earlier times, sometimes meant "dark-complexioned" or "light-complexioned" rather than the strict racial definition in common use today. According to the anthropologist Peter Frost:

This older, more relative sense has been noted in other culture areas. The Japanese once used the terms shiroi (white) and kuroi (black) to describe their skin and its gradations of color. The Ibos of Nigeria employed ocha (white) and ojii (black) in the same way, so that nwoko ocha (white man) simply meant an Ibo with a lighter complexion. In French Canada, the older generation still refers to a swarthy Canadien as noir (black). Vestiges of this older usage persist in family names. Mr. White, Mr. Brown, and Mr. Black were individuals within the normal color spectrum of English people. Ditto for Leblanc, Lebrun, and Lenoir among the French or Weiss and Schwartz among the Germans.¹

Another example of this usage comes from Joseph ben Nathan of 13th century Europe who quoted his father as saying "we Jews come from a pure, white source, and so our faces are black."² Of course Jews weren't black African, as medieval manuscripts show them looking little different from Europeans.

Old Arab descriptions of "blacks" also reveal that what they meant by "black" is not necessarily what we understand it to mean today. Some medieval Arab writers such as al-Jahiz applied the term "blacks" to practically all peoples darker than the average Arab, and "whites" to peoples lighter than the norm:

"The blacks are more numerous than the whites. The whites at most consist of the people of Persia, Jibal, and Khurasan, the Greeks, Slavs, Franks, and Avars, and some few others, not very numerous; the blacks include the Zanj, Ethiopians, the people of Fazzan, the Berbers, the Copts, and Nubians, the people of Zaghawa, Marw, Sind and India, Qamar and Dabila, China, and Masin... the islands in the seas between China and Africa are full of blacks, such as Ceylon, Kalah, Amal, Zabij, and their islands, as far as India, China, Kabul, and those shores."³

Jahiz's inclusion of Indians, Sindhi, and Chinese as "blacks" reinforces the point that color terms taken out of their cultural contexts are too ambiguous to determine the physical characteristics of peoples with much accuracy. One Afrocentric web page offered an opinion that Jahiz was only referring to minority Negroid tribes in India or China, not to the population at large. But then, couldn't the same be said about his descriptions of North Africa?

It bears mention that the term Sudan ("Black") in classical Arabic usage did not usually encompass such a broad range of peoples. In fact the Arabic term Bilad al-Sudan ("lands of the Blacks") denoted the whole area of Africa south of the Sahara desert -- from the Atlantic Ocean in the West to the Red Sea and Indian Ocean in the East -- but did not normally include Egypt or the Maghrib (Northwest Africa).⁴

The 14th century historian Ibn Khaldun divided the known world from the equator to the northernmost lands into seven zones, by climate, south to north. The zones in the middle -- the third, fourth and fifth zones -- were the temperate ones. He wrote:

"The human inhabitants of these zones are more temperate in their bodies, color, character qualities... Such are the inhabitants of the Maghrib, of Syria, the two 'Iraqs, Western India, and China, as well as of Spain; also the European Christians nearby, the Galicians, and all those who live together with these peoples or near them in the three temperate zones."⁵

Later he goes on to write that "the inhabitants of the first and second zones in the south are called the Abyssinians, the Zanj, and the Sudanese. These are synonyms used to designate the particular nation that has turned black."⁶ So it is clear that in his view the people of North Africa are not black; the people to the south of them are. Ibn Khaldun, unlike some Arab writers, was himself a Maghribi and thus was presumably familiar with what people looked like in that region.

The Tunisian traveler Ibn Battuta specified a boundary of the Black lands when he wrote "We then arrived at the town of Iwalatan... Iwalatan is the northernmost province of the Blacks."⁷ Iwalatan, presently Walata/Oualata near the southeast corner of Mauritania, sits near the southern limit of the Sahara desert. The lands north of that, which make up the main bulk of Berber territory, were not counted by Ibn Battuta as among the black lands.

In the course of his travels, he observed a notably pale Berber tribe which he described as follows:

"At length we arrived among the Bardama. They are a Berber tribe. [...] The Bardama women are the most perfect in beauty, most remarkable in their appearance, of the purest white in their complexion and very fat."⁸

The writer al-'Umari counted even the southernmost Berber tribes as white:

"In the north of the country of Mali, there are Berber tribes who are white and are under [the Sultan of Mali's] dominion .... They are: the Yatansir, the Shagharasan, the Maddusa and the Lamtuna."⁹

and,

"The country of the Blacks also contains three independent kings, white Muslims, belonging to the Berber race: the sultan of Aïr, the sultan of Damushuh and the sultan of Tadmakka. These three white Muslim kings are in the southwest area ranging between the Barr al 'Adwa, empire of the sultan Abu l-Hasan, and the country of Mali and its dependencies."¹⁰

A source of misunderstanding about the identity of "Moors" in Europe is the Frankish epic Song of Roland, in which a contingent of one of the Saracen armies is described as "black as pitch" and "broad in the nose." But this shouldn't be too surprising, considering that the army included Ethiopians:

But what avail? Though fled be Marsilies,
He's left behind his uncle, the alcaliph
Who holds Alferne, Kartagene, Garmalie,
And Ethiope, a cursed land indeed;
The blackamoors from there are in his keep,
Broad in the nose they are and flat in the ear,
Fifty thousand and more in company. ...¹¹

 

---

On the claim that the North African "Moors" used to resemble equatorial Africans before and during the Islamic occupation of Europe, and that the ethnic/racial changes came later

Highly unlikely -- see the numerous coinage portraits of North African rulers centuries before the Islamic conquest. Furthermore, the Phoenicians, Romans, Vandals, and the initial wave of Arabs all came before the penetration of Islam into Europe, not after. So the adherents of the Black Moors theory face a terrible paradox: they have to maintain that the Islamic-era immigration to North Africa drastically altered the racial makeup of the Berbers/Moors, while simultaneously denying that the pre-Islam immigration of the Phoenicians, Romans, Vandals, and the initial waves of Arabs made any significant genetic impact at all. It makes no sense.

And if there was any significant genetic change in Northwest Africa from the Arab conquest to the present, there is no reason to assume that the population lightened or became more "Caucasian" during that time. In fact the trans-Saharan slave trade and immigration from the lands south of the Sahara, continuing up to very recent times, may have had just as much (or more) genetic impact as any European or Arab immigration; although this would be difficult to verify one way or the other.

 

You go girl.

[concha]

40 minutes ago, Wildcat Will said:

 

You go girl.

 

Proving you the fool is the easiest thing in the world.

👍

 

[DevilDog]

@Wildcat Will

I bet you never had one refute or go out of their way to prove this MoFo wasn't White or try to cinvince you otherwise.   They even invented a science called Egyptology by a bunch of damn racist whose sole purpose was to prove imaginary white people in Africa.  😁

Let's break down this B.S. and see how many deniers show up to prove he had to have dark skin and brown eyes.  Damn the Moors.  I want to talk White Hey-Jeus

In colonial Latin America – called “New Spain” by European colonists – images of a white Jesus reinforced a caste system where white, Christian Europeans occupied the top tier, while those with darker skin from perceived intermixing with native populations ranked considerably lower.

Artist Nicolas Correa’s 1695 painting of Saint Rose of Lima, the first Catholic saint born in “New Spain,” shows her metaphorical marriage to a blond, light-skinned Christ

[DevilDog]

White Jesus is a Damn Racist. 😁 

Summary

In White Jesus: The Architecture of Racism in Religion and Education, White Jesus is conceived as a socially constructed apparatus—a mythology that animates the architecture of salvation—that operates stealthily as a veneer for patriarchal White supremacist, capitalist, and imperialist sociopolitical, cultural, and economic agendas. White Jesus was constructed by combining empire, colorism, racism, education, and religion; the by-product is a distortion that reproduces violence in epistemic and physical ways. The authors distinguish White Jesus from Jesus of the Gospels, the one whose life, death, and resurrection demands sacrificial love as a response—a love ethic. White Jesus is a fraudulent scheme that many devotees of Jesus of Bethlehem naively fell for.

[concha]

8 minutes ago, DevilDog said:

@Wildcat Will

I bet you never had one refute or go out of their way to prove this MoFo wasn't White or try to cinvince you otherwise.   They even invented a science called Egyptology by a bunch of damn racist whose sole purpose was to prove imaginary white people in Africa.  😁

Let's break down this B.S. and see how many deniers show up to prove he had to have dark skin and brown eyes.  Damn the Moors.  I want to talk White Hey-Jeus

In colonial Latin America – called “New Spain” by European colonists – images of a white Jesus reinforced a caste system where white, Christian Europeans occupied the top tier, while those with darker skin from perceived intermixing with native populations ranked considerably lower.

Artist Nicolas Correa’s 1695 painting of Saint Rose of Lima, the first Catholic saint born in “New Spain,” shows her metaphorical marriage to a blond, light-skinned Christ

 

So now that you've face-planted with the Moors, we're going back to... what is it this time? Hey-Jeus?

What happened to that "Hey Zeus" thing you were peddling? Oh, I remember. Also a face-plant.  😂

 

[DevilDog]

Let's look at old White Jesus and his  devotees. 

https://www.npr.org/2020/07/01/883115867/white-supremacist-ideas-have-historical-roots-in-u-s-christianity

As long as that [African] race, in its comparative degradation, co-exists side by side with the white," Thornwell declared  in a famous 1861 sermon, "bondage is its normal condition." Thornwell was a slave owner, and in his public pronouncements he told fellow Christians they need not feel guilty about enslaving other human beings as long as that [African] race, in its comparative degradation, co-exists side by side with the white," Thornwell declared in a famous 1861 sermon, "bondage is its normal condition.

[concha]

Damn, these are all over the place...

[concha]

 

What was the situation with DD's fake Moors and slavery again?

 

🤣

 

[DevilDog]

Black Moors all over Africa.  No one has ever seen a white Christ.  Let's spend a few hours on why you have never had the interest to disprove this but somehow black people in Africa didn't exist. Moors are not Black.  But a white Messiah wondered all over Africa and Israel.  Show me one verse in the Bible of a Jew claiming white Skin.  He was from the house of David.  

[concha]

 

White Jesus and Black Jesus are in a bar having some wine.

And then in walks this frigging guy... it's ON...

[DevilDog]

Let's look at Bible.  Let me guess this was a white woman 😁 hes raised by a Black Pharoe and marries a black woman.  Hes the king of Jews and bore 2 sons.  Let me guess those are white Hebrews. This is the House Jesus Springs from

 

According to Demetrius, the Chronographer and Ezekiel, the Tragedian, the Cushite wife of Moses in Numbers 12:1-16 is Zipporah

[concha]

Just now, DevilDog said:

Black Moors all over Africa.  No one has ever seen a white Christ.  Let's spend a few hours on why you have never had the interest to disprove this but somehow black people in Africa didn't exist. Moors are not Black.  But a white Messiah wondered all over Africa and Israel.  Show me one verse in the Bible of a Jew claiming white Skin.  He was from the house of David.  

 

Actually I've addressed this several times on here.

I don't believe Christ was blonde and blue-eyed. In fact, I find the notion silly.

I'm also a big boy who doesn't have to throw himself on the floor and whine like a bitch whenever I see picture of Him that doesn't fit with my view of Him. Maybe you should try that. Or does Mentor require constant rage mode over this White Jesus you obsess over?