Playoff Potential

[steeler01]

7 minutes ago, concha said:

 

I myself question TCU's ability to win the title.

But unlike the great majority of years in the last dozen or so, what makes anyone think Bama would be a strong contender THIS year?  They have been FAR from formidable.  The o-line might be their weakest in a long time. The receivers are a huge drop off from last year. They have lost twice to multiple-loss teams and they arguably have another 2-3 TCU-esque games they could easily have lost.

I would not count on Vegas favoring Bama at all. The last two games against highly-ranked foes for them resulted in a loss and a 6-point win (versus a now 4-loss team).

 

The one area that Bama has that TCU doesn't is they can stop the run with their front 4. Against the last 3 teams,  if you have to use extra guys to try to stop the run,  your defense is gonna be in for a long night

[concha]

3 minutes ago, steeler01 said:

I think Bama is better.  That's the only reason I want to see them in

 

 

Everyone has years of programming to think that Bama is better almost all the time.

This year, they simply aren't.

Sure, it can be fun watching Bryce Young run around and make the opponent's defense look silly every now and then.  But rest of the product is lacking compared to most years.

 

[steeler01]

Just now, concha said:

 

Everyone has year of programming to think that Bama is better almost all the time.

 

I'm not saying they're the best team in the country,  but imo they're better than TCU

[TheMaximumHornetSting]

7 minutes ago, RedZone said:

Tulane 17 Big 12 Champ Kansas State 10

Big 12 Champ Kansas State 31 TCU 28

EDGE: Tulane

Tulane aint in the discussion... 

Stop throwing em in... 

[TheMaximumHornetSting]

Just now, steeler01 said:

I'm not saying they're the best team in the country,  but imo they're better than TCU

I'll agree with TCU not being the best or better than Bama... 

But I feel any team with a competent or strong passing game can beat Bama this year... 

Bama's defense this year is a liability.... 

I'd take Ohio State,Georgia and as much as it disgust me.... Bichigan over Bama right now.... 

[steeler01]

1 minute ago, TheMaximumHornetSting said:

I'll agree with TCU not being the best or better than Bama... 

But I feel any team with a competent or strong passing game can beat Bama this year... 

Bama's defense this year is a liability.... 

I'd take Ohio State,Georgia and as much as it disgust me.... Bichigan over Bama right now.... 

I think the first two yes,  but Michigan imo plays into Georgia and Bama's strengths.  Michigan imo gets beaten soundly by both

[Horsefly]

7 minutes ago, steeler01 said:

I think Bama is better.  That's the only reason I want to see them in

 

 

Then on field results don’t matter then. Bama is not all that year. They have one common opponent,  UT, and Bama needed the refs to help them seal that win. 

[concha]

3 minutes ago, TheMaximumHornetSting said:

Tulane aint in the discussion... 

Stop throwing em in... 

 

Chip the WonderRacist neglecting to point out Tulane's loss to Southern Miss (6-6) the very next week...

Priceless.

It's nice he never stops to wonder why everyone on this board considers him to be the message board equivalent of a  skidmark.

 

 

[steeler01]

2 minutes ago, Horsefly said:

Then on field results don’t matter then. Bama is not all that year. They have one common opponent,  UT, and Bama needed the refs to help them seal that win. 

Who would you favor in a game between TCU- Bama?

[RedZone]

33 minutes ago, Horsefly said:

But on field results should matter.  Bama is getting do overs at the expense of others.  They barely beat UT, A&M and lost to non elite LSU and TN.  

Why is TCU elite?

They are NOT even a conference champion.

..fly is another one of those guys not fully footed on this planet.

Bottom line is you can shoot holes in all these teams. Georgia and Michican then the tallest midgets.

 

[Horsefly]

29 minutes ago, steeler01 said:

Who would you favor in a game between TCU- Bama?

Toss up, game is within 7-10, based on turnoevers etc. neither is title caliber (it’s UGA and Mich this year) 

[concha]

 

I don't see a performance by Bama this whole season that would bring me to call them a favorite over TCU (maybe Mississippi State?). And, again, I don't think TCU has much of a chance to win their next game.

 

 

[golfaddict1]

4 hours ago, RedZone said:

Nick Saban has 7 National Championships and considered the GOAT..... Like it or not> that's how stuff works in the real world.

When Day wins 1 National Championship people will know who he is then. 😃

Just accept life and do more with it!

2 losses.  It was cringe watching (Satan’s PR machine press conference at halftime) 

[concha]

Why Nick Saban's case for Alabama's inclusion in 2022 College Football Playoff field is flawed

The Crimson Tide coach's case for his team to make the College Football Playoff is flimsy, at best

 

By Barrett Sallee

 

10 hrs ago•4 min read

 

 

 

 

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From the moment Kansas State kicker Ty Zentner's 31-yard field goal sailed through the uprights to give the Wildcats the Big 12 title and hand TCU its first loss of the season, the all eyes turned toward Tuscaloosa, Alabama. In that moment, the No. 6 Crimson Tide's hopes of making the College Football Playoff heated up. With two-loss Alabama being forced into the discussion, Nick Saban began lobbying for his team to be considered for the final spot in the field, even joining the broadcast crew during halftime of the Big Ten Championship Game to state his team's case. 

Some flaws in Saban's arguments were evident, however. So let's break down some of the factors that prevent Alabama from joining the four-team College Football Playoff field in relation to Saban's arguments. 

It doesn't have a quality win

"We lost two games, on the road in a tough league, to top-10 teams -- one top-five team on the last play of the game."

Alabama's best win is a one-point victory over No. 20 Texas in Week 2, and that win included 15 accepted penalties, plenty of miscues and an inability to move the ball on a consistent basis despite having Heisman Trophy winner Bryce Young -- who was healthy at the time -- taking the snaps. Is there another quality win? The only other ranked victory is a 30-6 decision over No. 24 Mississippi State. Let's be real, if we're talking about a win over Mississippi State being one of a team's signature wins, that speaks volumes on how easy this trek should have been. 

 

The committee does talk about "game control", and Alabama didn't exactly shine in that area either. A very mediocre Texas A&M team had a shot at the end zone to spring a potential upset in Tuscaloosa as time expired, and Ole Miss had a similar chance to tie -- and win with an extra point -- in Oxford, Mississippi. Let's not forget the Arkansas game that, despite the 49-26 final, was way closer than the score indicates. Alabama's case for the CFP really centers around quality losses to No. 7 Tennessee and No. 14 LSU. If a team's primary argument is its losses, that speaks volumes. 

Other teams have better cases

"We shouldn't just be looking at metrics of one loss and two losses. Who are the best teams?"

TCU lost in overtime to Kansas State in the Big 12 Championship Game in what was the Horned Frogs' first loss of the season. What makes its case unique is that it already beat every team on the schedule -- including this same Kansas State team in the regular season. Essentially, they played their way into a chance to lose in a rematch. TCU's quality wins include the victory over Kansas State and a seven-point win over Texas in Austin, Texas -- a comparable result to the one-point win Alabama had in the same building. Oh, and there's the obvious fact that a one-loss team has one fewer loss than a two-loss team, but that's just basic math.

 

Ohio State has a much better case on top of that same super-complicated math above. The Buckeyes' signature win is a 44-31 win at No. 8 Penn State, which the committee obviously loves. It also has that 11-point win over No. 21 Notre Dame, a team which will probably find itself in the top 20 in the final rankings on Sunday. Sure, the 45-23 home loss to Michigan last week wasn't great, but the Wolverines are the second-ranked team in the country. If we are judging losses, one loss to the second-ranked team in the country is still better than two losses to Tennessee and an LSU team that could fall out of the top 20 after a 50-30 drubbing at the hands of Georgia on Saturday in the SEC Championship Game.

In reality, Tennessee has a better case than Alabama. Aside from the obvious heads-up win over the Crimson Tide, the Volunteers stomped LSU 40-13 in Baton Rouge, Looisiana, the same place in which Alabama lost to those same Tigers.

Vegas odds don't matter

"If we played any of these teams that are on the edge of getting in, would we be the underdog? Or would we be the favorite?"

Saban lobbied for his team using gambling odds. Seriously? We're going to use gambling odds to try to make a case? Game lines are used to make money for oddsmakers, which means it tries to get comparable money on both sides. Yes, Alabama is favored quite a bit because -- breaking news here -- it is a pretty good team. But the name-brand of Alabama also matters a lot to people who dabble in investing. 

Plus, it stands to mention that Alabama is 3-5-1 against the spread against Power Five opponents this year, so it's not like you can trust the Crimson Tide to actually match that Vegas hype. 

[RedZone]

3 minutes ago, golfaddict1 said:

(Satan’s PR machine press conference at halftime) 

It's in his job description.

It's NOT like Alabama is #9 in the Playoff Rankings.

 

[THEOC89]

31 minutes ago, steeler01 said:

I think the first two yes,  but Michigan imo plays into Georgia and Bama's strengths.  Michigan imo gets beaten soundly by both

Not so sure about that….. Bama’s Defense is just as bad as Ohio States, Michigan Beats Bama by 2 Scores….

Michigan vs GA will be a very competitive game….  This year is different then last year, Michigan has Avery good defense and can play with GA….

GA and Michigan have separated themselves from the rest of the pack…

[steeler01]

3 minutes ago, THEOC89 said:

Not so sure about that….. Bama’s Defense is just as bad as Ohio States, Michigan Beats Bama by 2 Scores….

Michigan vs GA will be a very competitive game….  This year is different then last year, Michigan has Avery good defense and can play with GA….

GA and Michigan have separated themselves from the rest of the pack…

Michigan is still predicated on running the ball. 

 

You need to be a pass first offense to beat those teams. Bama and Georgia eat their lunch if they played

[THEOC89]

On 11/5/2022 at 8:45 PM, steeler01 said:

If OSU plays Georgia,  OSU will beat them.  Georgia doesn't have a pass rush with their front 4. They'll be forced to blitz and leave their CBs on an island.  Friendly wager against anyone if they play

 

Today everything favored Georgia and I won a lot on that game. 

 

On 11/6/2022 at 8:19 AM, THEOC89 said:

Totally Agree!!… I don’t see how GA is not #1 after Yesterday….

I would even put Michigan over OSU at #2….

OSU has No Chance Against GA…. OSU is soft and GA would punch them in the mouth just like Michigan did last year and dominate OSU….

1. GA

2 The Rest…. GA is a Clear Level above everyone else….

 

7 minutes ago, steeler01 said:

Michigan is still predicated on running the ball. 

 

You need to be a pass first offense to beat those teams. Bama and Georgia eat their lunch if they played

Good thing for Michigan is you were already wrong about this….. 

You said OSU would be GA and I said at the time that Michigan should be #2 over OSU….. And Michigan beat Your Top Team OSU by 3TD’s on OSU’s Home Field…..  🤣

Michigan Can run the ball on anyone and Bama’s Defense will s just as bad as OSU…. Michigan Rolls the Tide and has the best chance of anyone to beat GA….

Also, Doest the Michigan QB have 6 TD passes in the last 2 games?…. I would say that Michigan can pass the ball…..

[concha]

17 minutes ago, steeler01 said:

Michigan is still predicated on running the ball. 

 

You need to be a pass first offense to beat those teams. Bama and Georgia eat their lunch if they played

 

Meatshittin can pass.  McCarthy's pass efficiency rating is nearly identical to Young's.

Michigan was run first because their running game has been amongst the most dominant in the country.

Alabama's receiver corps is one of their weakest in recent memory.

 

 

[golfaddict1]

34 minutes ago, steeler01 said:

Michigan is still predicated on running the ball. 
 

… and missing Blake Corum 

 

You need to be a pass first offense to beat those teams. Bama and Georgia eat their lunch if they played

 

[steeler01]

17 minutes ago, THEOC89 said:

 

 

Good thing for Michigan is you were already wrong about this….. 

You said OSU would be GA and I said at the time that Michigan should be #2 over OSU….. And Michigan beat Your Top Team OSU by 3TD’s on OSU’s Home Field…..  🤣

Michigan Can run the ball on anyone and Bama’s Defense will s just as bad as OSU…. Michigan Rolls the Tide and has the best chance of anyone to beat GA….

Also, Doest the Michigan QB have 6 TD passes in the last 2 games?…. I would say that Michigan can pass the ball…..

I think Ohio State can beat Georgia. It's all about the match up. 

 

I don't think Michigan can beat Alabama nor Georgia.  The way they attack them offensively,  is to the strength of those teams.  

 

Michigan beating Ohio State has nothing to do with a Georgia- Ohio State match up.  

[steeler01]

12 minutes ago, concha said:

 

Meatshittin can pass.  McCarthy's pass efficiency rating is nearly identical to Young's.

Yes,  but that's predicated on having a running game.  How well do they pass when the other team knows they're passing?

12 minutes ago, concha said:

Michigan was run first because their running game has been amongst the most dominant in the country.

They're run first because that's what their offense is.  I sure as hell don't want McCarthy throwing the ball 40 times.  If that happens,  Michigan loses

 

[concha]

3 minutes ago, steeler01 said:

Yes,  but that's predicated on having a running game.  How well do they pass when the other team knows they're passing?

They're run first because that's what their offense is.  I sure as hell don't want McCarthy throwing the ball 40 times.  If that happens,  Michigan loses

 

 

You have to stop Michigan's run game when they have a QB who can complete passes also.

Michigan's o-line is legit and I'm not sure who can be confident of slowing their running game by rushing four.

Anyway, we'll see.

 

[golfaddict1]

McCarthy threw a low duck to a wide open receiver near the end zone in the 2nd half for an incomplete pass and I was thinking to myself, their next game may not be pretty.   Stop the erratic bs. 
 

Next play, he torpedoes what looked to me like it was heading 5 rows into the seats with that height and velocity, but the play pans to the end zone and a receiver catches it.  That was one sick pass for a TD.  Purdue is not ______, but still, that throw was impressive, further proved by the camera angle behind him on replay.  

[steeler01]

1 minute ago, concha said:

 

You have to stop Michigan's run game when they have a QB who can complete passes also.

I'm willing to bet that Bama and Georgia can do that with their front 4.

1 minute ago, concha said:

Michigan's o-line is legit and I'm not sure who can be confident of slowing their running game by rushing four

Legit against who? We all saw what Georgia did to them last year.  What's the difference this year aside from Georgia not being as talented on the front 4?

 

On the other hand,  Michigan also isn't as good along their front 4.