Memphis police

[Warrior]

4 minutes ago, Wildcat Will said:

He's talking about his son's.

That's almost funny Willie

[Nolebull813]

Bringing up slavery every other sentence does nothing to help society. It’s only brought up to divide and raise minority youth with hatred for country and fellow citizen. It’s to repeat the same vicious cycle that caused problems in the first place. To separate minorities and indoctrinate into thinking white people are treating them as second class citizens. It couldn’t be further from the truth. There are no barriers keeping minorities from succeeding except their own trapped mind thinking whitey is the reason of all their problems. Not their own personal choices. White people from 200 years ago is the reason they are exactly where they are. It’s all made up bullshit that can never be taken seriously 

[Wildcat Will]

3 minutes ago, Nolebull813 said:

Bringing up slavery every other sentence does nothing to help society. It’s only brought up to divide and raise minority youth with hatred for country and fellow citizen. It’s to repeat the same vicious cycle that caused problems in the first place. To separate minorities and indoctrinate into thinking white people are treating them as second class citizens. It couldn’t be further from the truth. There are no barriers keeping minorities from succeeding except their own trapped mind thinking whitey is the reason of all their problems. Not their own personal choices. White people from 200 years ago is the reason they are exactly where they are. It’s all made up bullshit that can never be taken seriously 

Could it possibly be exactly opposite of what you claim? Maybe you should ask those that broach the subject in which text they are using it and for what purpose instead of maintaining you erroneous understanding.

[Nolebull813]

“We must teach people slavery existed!”
 

“we do, and everyone agrees it was an atrocity that should have never happened. Not here or any other country in recorded history.”

 

”yeah but we gotta talk about on a loop non stop and kids need to learn about it from 7am-3pm Monday-Friday or your are trying to white wash history!!!”

 

“Ok we just spent the last 1,000 hours learning about slavery, now what?”

”do you hate America yet? Do you hate the fact that someone born in 1998 can’t get off the couch and apply for a job because of slavery?” 
 

“That sounds fair.” I do hate America. It’s run by white cisgendered men. There are no minority people in power like Vice President, Supreme Court judges, doctors, lawyers, accountants, athletes, entertainers, and every other occupation as a whole. That’s white supremacy talking” 

“my job is done”

 

[Nolebull813]

2 minutes ago, Wildcat Will said:

Could it possibly be exactly opposite of what you claim? Maybe you should ask those that broach the subject in which text they are using it and for what purpose instead of maintaining you erroneous understanding.

Ok slavery happened and it was a stain in history. Should have never happened and the people that committed these atrocities should be burning in hell. Black people were brought to this country against their will, and were forced to be subjected to unspeakable acts of violence. I understand this 100 percent in my heart and we’re taught this in school. 
 

 

Now what? 

[Wildcat Will]

4 minutes ago, Nolebull813 said:

“We must teach people slavery existed!”
 

“we do, and everyone agrees it was an atrocity that should have never happened. Not here or any other country in recorded history.”

 

”yeah but we gotta talk about on a loop non stop and kids need to learn about it from 7am-3pm Monday-Friday or your are trying to white wash history!!!”

 

“Ok we just spent the last 1,000 hours learning about slavery, now what?”

”do you hate America yet? Do you hate the fact that someone born in 1998 can’t get off the couch and apply for a job because of slavery?” 
 

“That sounds fair.” I do hate America. It’s run by white cisgendered men. There are no minority people in power like Vice President, Supreme Court judges, doctors, lawyers, accountants, athletes, entertainers, and every other occupation as a whole. That’s white supremacy talking” 

“my job is done”

 

Sad man......Sad.

 

 

 

 

[Wildcat Will]

4 minutes ago, Nolebull813 said:

Ok slavery happened and it was a stain in history. Should have never happened and the people that committed these atrocities should be burning in hell. Black people were brought to this country against their will, and were forced to be subjected to unspeakable acts of violence. I understand this 100 percent in my heart and we’re taught this in school. 
 

 

Now what? 

Use your head.

Cause and Effect 

Correlation between them and now thru cause and effect.

Maybe......for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction......then and now, cause and effect.

Not complicated really. A 6th grade white kids recognized how being treated the way blacks are, have been and more than likely will be in the future, has a direct psycological effect on people. 

Maturity reigns.

 

[Nolebull813]

1 hour ago, Wildcat Will said:

Use your head.

Cause and Effect 

Correlation between them and now thru cause and effect.

Maybe......for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction......then and now, cause and effect.

Not complicated really. A 6th grade white kids recognized how being treated the way blacks are, have been and more than likely will be in the future, has a direct psycological effect on people. 

Maturity reigns.

 

But the issue is not a 6th grade white kid learning about atrocities in history. It’s the framing to make the 6th grader feel bad and complicit in said atrocities. There definitely seems to be a hidden agenda. Because no school is trying to suppress the history. States just don’t want it being taught through some left wing activist lens that’s designed to indoctrinate not educate. And the pushback is so hard to the point there has to be some nefarious agenda that won’t be confessed. That’s why there is constant skepticism 

[Wildcat Will]

11 minutes ago, Nolebull813 said:

But the issue is not a 6th grade white kid learning about atrocities in history. It’s the framing to make the 6th grader feel bad and complicit in said atrocities. There definitely seems to be a hidden agenda. Because no school is trying to suppress the history. States just don’t want it being taught through some left wing activist lens that’s designed to indoctrinate not educate. And the pushback is so hard to the point there has to be some nefarious agenda that won’t be confessed. That’s why there is constant skepticism 

How about a 40 year old man being called boy and told he " belongs" to someone? How did he feel when his wife was made a bed warmer?

No school is trying to hide history? I think there are 33 states that have passed laws against teaching black history or anything about America and it's greatest sin.

So teaching accurate history is indoctrination? Explain.

[Belly Bob]

8 hours ago, Warrior said:

 

6 hours ago, Wildcat Will said:

Use your head. ↳

Cause and Effect  ↳

What do you think has led to the destruction of the black family since 1960?

Williams and Sowell, both black economists, argued that the expansion of the welfare state was a major factor.

Both point to the fact that the black family survived slavery and then decades of discrimination, but then rapidly began to deteriorate in the '60s, coinciding with the expansion of the welfare state.

An 1880 study of family structure in Philadelphia showed that 75% of black households consisted of two parents and children. In NYC in 1925, it was 85%. In 1940, 19% of all black children were born out of wedlock. In 1960, it was 22%. By 2005, it was 70%. In 2010, it was 73%. 

Marriage has plummeted while birthrates haven't. Most black kids are now raised in single-parent households. That wasn't the case in 1880 or 1925 or 1940 or 1960.

https://web.archive.org/web/20051111144501/http://www.gmu.edu/departments/economics/wew/articles/05/reality.html

https://web.archive.org/web/20040818140004/http://www.creators.com/opinion_show.cfm?next=1&ColumnsName=tso

[Nolebull813]

5 minutes ago, Belly Bob said:

 

What do you think has led to the destruction of the black family since 1960?

Williams and Sowell, both black economists, argued that the expansion of the welfare state was a major factor.

Both point to the fact that the black family survived slavery and then decades of discrimination in American, but then rapidly began to deteriorate in the '60s, coinciding with the expansion of the welfare state.

An 1880 study of family structure in Philadelphia showed that 75% of black households consisted of two parents and children. In NYC in 1925, it was 85%. In 1940, 19 percent of all black children were born out of wedlock. In 1960, it was 22 percent. By 2005, 70 percent of all black children were born out of wedlock. In 2010, it was 73%. 

Marriage has plummeted while birthrates haven't. Most black kids are now raised in single-parent household. That wasn't the case in 1880 or 1925 or 1940 or 1960.

https://web.archive.org/web/20051111144501/http://www.gmu.edu/departments/economics/wew/articles/05/reality.html

https://web.archive.org/web/20040818140004/http://www.creators.com/opinion_show.cfm?next=1&ColumnsName=tso

These are the type of black people that need to be taught in African American studies. If you have an AA studies textbook and it doesn’t have Sowell, Williams and the great Clarence Thomas, congrats, you are on your way to being a left wing race baiting foot soldier 

[Horsefly]

1 minute ago, Nolebull813 said:

These are the type of black people that need to be taught in African American studies. If you have an AA studies textbook and it doesn’t have Sowell, Williams and the great Clarence Thomas, congrats, you are on your way to being a left wing race baiting foot soldier 

 thank goodness many AA families are choosing homeschooling and micro schools. Best decisions parents can make.

 

 

[Warrior]

20 minutes ago, Belly Bob said:

 

What do you think has led to the destruction of the black family since 1960?

Williams and Sowell, both black economists, argued that the expansion of the welfare state was a major factor.

Both point to the fact that the black family survived slavery and then decades of discrimination, but then rapidly began to deteriorate in the '60s, coinciding with the expansion of the welfare state.

An 1880 study of family structure in Philadelphia showed that 75% of black households consisted of two parents and children. In NYC in 1925, it was 85%. In 1940, 19% of all black children were born out of wedlock. In 1960, it was 22%. By 2005, it was 70%. In 2010, it was 73%. 

Marriage has plummeted while birthrates haven't. Most black kids are now raised in single-parent household. That wasn't the case in 1880 or 1925 or 1940 or 1960.

https://web.archive.org/web/20051111144501/http://www.gmu.edu/departments/economics/wew/articles/05/reality.html

https://web.archive.org/web/20040818140004/http://www.creators.com/opinion_show.cfm?next=1&ColumnsName=tso

I agree with both Williams and Sowell and I context it was done for a calculated reason.

[Nolebull813]

9 minutes ago, Warrior said:

I agree with both Williams and Sowell and I context it was done for a calculated reason.

Yes it was government dependence in exchange for blind loyalty to the democrat party 

[concha]

[World Citizen]

1 hour ago, Belly Bob said:

 

What do you think has led to the destruction of the black family since 1960?

Williams and Sowell, both black economists, argued that the expansion of the welfare state was a major factor.

Both point to the fact that the black family survived slavery and then decades of discrimination, but then rapidly began to deteriorate in the '60s, coinciding with the expansion of the welfare state.

An 1880 study of family structure in Philadelphia showed that 75% of black households consisted of two parents and children. In NYC in 1925, it was 85%. In 1940, 19% of all black children were born out of wedlock. In 1960, it was 22%. By 2005, it was 70%. In 2010, it was 73%. 

Marriage has plummeted while birthrates haven't. Most black kids are now raised in single-parent households. That wasn't the case in 1880 or 1925 or 1940 or 1960.

https://web.archive.org/web/20051111144501/http://www.gmu.edu/departments/economics/wew/articles/05/reality.html

https://web.archive.org/web/20040818140004/http://www.creators.com/opinion_show.cfm?next=1&ColumnsName=tso

I would be interested to hear what you think the reasons are for the change in the numbers you mentioned.   

[Wildcat Will]

1 hour ago, Belly Bob said:

 

What do you think has led to the destruction of the black family since 1960?

Williams and Sowell, both black economists, argued that the expansion of the welfare state was a major factor.

Both point to the fact that the black family survived slavery and then decades of discrimination, but then rapidly began to deteriorate in the '60s, coinciding with the expansion of the welfare state.

An 1880 study of family structure in Philadelphia showed that 75% of black households consisted of two parents and children. In NYC in 1925, it was 85%. In 1940, 19% of all black children were born out of wedlock. In 1960, it was 22%. By 2005, it was 70%. In 2010, it was 73%. 

Marriage has plummeted while birthrates haven't. Most black kids are now raised in single-parent households. That wasn't the case in 1880 or 1925 or 1940 or 1960.

https://web.archive.org/web/20051111144501/http://www.gmu.edu/departments/economics/wew/articles/05/reality.html

https://web.archive.org/web/20040818140004/http://www.creators.com/opinion_show.cfm?next=1&ColumnsName=tso

"Racial disparities in the criminal justice system are no accident, but rather are rooted in a history of oppression and discriminatory decision making that have deliberately targeted black people and helped create an inaccurate picture of crime that deceptively links them with criminality."

Above referenced from NCD

Black men are missing in action, by no fault of their own. There are so many incarcerated due to unjust laws. Some are there due to that taught hate. Some are missing in other aspects. Some are missing mentally. This group are the result of the poverty ridden. Those with no hope. 

The basis for the current conditions are more than clear but with some, they can't see the forest for the trees.

[Belly Bob]

52 minutes ago, World Citizen said:

I would be interested to hear what you think the reasons are for the change in the numbers you mentioned.   

I think the welfare state is a major cause, and I don't think slavery or Jim Crow Laws are because the black family was still strong in 1960.

[Belly Bob]

1 hour ago, Wildcat Will said:

"Racial disparities in the criminal justice system are no accident, but rather are rooted in a history of oppression and discriminatory decision making that have deliberately targeted black people and helped create an inaccurate picture of crime that deceptively links them with criminality." ↳

The fact that something like 15-20% of black men will be incarcerated at some point in their lives didn't help, but that can't be the main cause.

The black family began to disintegrate in the 1960s. Incarceration rates did not begin to spike until the mid '80s with the the Sentencing Reform Act -- or whatever it was called. By the '80s, the percentage of black children born out of wedlock was already over 50%. Moreover, black incarceration rates have been falling for the last 10-15 years.

Plus I'm not sure that the incarceration rate of black men can explain why over 70% of black children are born out of wedlock. At the very least, there is a significant explanatory gap. 

[concha]

32 minutes ago, Belly Bob said:

I think the welfare state is a major cause, and I don't think slavery or Jim Crow Laws are because the black family was still strong in 1960.

 

The welfare created economic dependence and created an economic benefit to not having a husband or man in the house. You can look at the beginning of the breakup of the black family unit and trace it back to the period of the so-called Great Society.

https://theblackwallsttimes.com/2017/07/20/black-family-structure-in-decline-since-the-1960s-the-home-effect/

According to the Census Bureau from 1960 and 2013, African –American children who lived in single-parent homes more than doubled from 22% to 55%. The same research showed that white children from single-parent homes tripled from 7% to 22%. 

73% of African American children are born out of wedlock.

 

https://www.city-journal.org/html/black-family-40-years-lies-12872.html

 

[concha]

https://mises.org/wire/welfare-state-did-what-slavery-couldnt-do

...“If we wanted to be serious about evidence,” Sowell observed, “we might compare where blacks stood a hundred years after the end of slavery with where they stood after 30 years of the liberal welfare state….Despite the grand myth that black economic progress began or accelerated with the passage of the civil rights laws and ‘war on poverty’ programs of the 1960s, the cold fact is that the poverty rate among blacks fell from 87 percent in 1940 to 47 percent by 1960. This was before any of those programs began.”

In his article “The Legacy of the Welfare State,” Williams agreed. “The No. 1 problem among blacks is the effects stemming from a very weak family structure. Children from fatherless homes are likelier to drop out of high school, die by suicide, have behavioral disorders, join gangs, commit crimes and end up in prison. They are also likelier to live in poverty-stricken households. But is the weak black family a legacy of slavery?…Here's my question: Was the increase in single-parent black families after 1960 a legacy of slavery, or might it be a legacy of the welfare state ushered in by the War on Poverty?”

In another article Sowell answered, “A vastly expanded welfare state in the 1960s destroyed the black family, which had survived centuries of slavery and generations of racial oppression. In 1960, before this expansion of the welfare state, 22 percent of black children were raised with only one parent. By 1985, 67 percent of black children were raised with either one parent or no parent.” The percentage has held fairly steady since then. And, statistically, the parent figure is usually a mother or a grandmother.

 

Being effectively fatherless can be devastating. The paper “What Can the Federal Government Do to Decrease Crime and Revitalize Communities?,” issued by the US Department of Justice, offered statistics on children from fatherless homes. The children account for:

• Suicide: 63 percent of youth suicides
• Runaways: 90 percent of all homeless and runaway youths
• Behavioral disorders: 85 percent of all children that exhibit behavioral disorders
• High school dropouts: 71 percent of all high school dropouts
• Juvenile detention rates: 70 percent of juveniles in state-operated institutions
• Substance abuse: 75 percent of adolescent patients in substance abuse centers

Lawmakers do black people no favor when they advance a narrative that dismisses the importance of the family structure and offers instead dependence on government rather than independence as human beings. As Williams stated, “The undeniable truth is that neither slavery nor Jim Crow nor the harshest racism has decimated the black family the way the welfare state has….The most damage done to black Americans is inflicted by those politicians, civil rights leaders and academics who assert that every problem confronting blacks is a result of a legacy of slavery and discrimination. That's a vision that guarantees perpetuity for the problems.”

 

 

 

 

[Belly Bob]

8 hours ago, Nolebull813 said:

Now what?  ↳

Restore the nuclear family. You don't need the state's help to do that. 

👇

9 minutes ago, concha said:

Being effectively fatherless can be devastating. The paper “What Can the Federal Government Do to Decrease Crime and Revitalize Communities?,” issued by the US Department of Justice, offered statistics on children from fatherless homes. The children account for:

• Suicide: 63 percent of youth suicides
• Runaways: 90 percent of all homeless and runaway youths
• Behavioral disorders: 85 percent of all children that exhibit behavioral disorders
• High school dropouts: 71 percent of all high school dropouts
• Juvenile detention rates: 70 percent of juveniles in state-operated institutions
• Substance abuse: 75 percent of adolescent patients in substance abuse centers

Lawmakers do black people no favor when they advance a narrative that dismisses the importance of the family structure and offers instead dependence on government rather than independence as human beings. As Williams stated, “The undeniable truth is that neither slavery nor Jim Crow nor the harshest racism has decimated the black family the way the welfare state has….The most damage done to black Americans is inflicted by those politicians, civil rights leaders and academics who assert that every problem confronting blacks is a result of a legacy of slavery and discrimination. That's a vision that guarantees perpetuity for the problems.”

 

[concha]

14 minutes ago, Belly Bob said:

Restore the nuclear family. You don't need the state's help to do that. 

👇

 

https://ifstudies.org/blog/family-breakdown-and-americas-welfare-system

It is important to realize that things weren’t always so. The black American family provides a stark example. From 1890 to 1950, black women had a higher marriage rate than white women. And in 1950, just 9% of black children lived without their father. By 1960, the black marriage rate had declined but remained close to the white marriage rate. In other words, despite open racism and widespread poverty, strong black families used to be the norm.

But by the mid-1980s, black fatherlessness skyrocketed. Today, only 44% of black children have a father in the home. In unison, the rate of black out-of-wedlock births went from 24.5% in 1964 to 70.7% by 1994, roughly where it stands today.

One contributor to family breakdown, which soon spread to the poor and working-class white family, may have been welfare expansion. Cash welfare in meager form existed since 1935,⁴ and some welfare expansion took place during the Kennedy administration. But under Johnson’s Great Society, which began in 1964, benefits became substantially more generous and came under greater control of the federal government. 

In the words of Harvard’s Paul Peterson, “some programs actively discouraged marriage,” because “welfare assistance went to mothers so long as no male was boarding in the household… Marriage to an employed male, even one earning the minimum wage, placed at risk a mother’s economic well-being.” Infamous “man in the house” rules meant that welfare workers would randomly appear in homes to check and see if the mother was accurately reporting her family-status. 

The benefits available were extremely generous. According to Peterson, it was “estimated that in 1975 a household head would have to earn $20,000 a year to have more resources than what could be obtained from Great Society programs.” In today’s dollars, that’s over $90,000 per year in earnings. 

That may be a reason why, in 1964, only 7% of American children were born out of wedlock, compared to 40% today. As Jason Riley has noted, “the government paid mothers to keep fathers out of the home—and paid them well.” 

Identifying welfare as a contributor—along with shifts in the labor market and de-industrialization—explains why fatherlessness has spread as it has.⁵ For example, racial differences in marriage rates may be largely due to racial income disparities, which lead to stiffer marriage penalties for black adults.⁶ And today, many means-tested programs⁷ reach into the working class and lower-middle-class, which corresponds with a decline in marriage among these groups.⁸

In today’s America, four-in-10 families with children receive support from at least one means-tested transfer program.⁹ One study found that almost a third of Americans said they personally know someone who chose not to marry due to the fear of losing a benefit.