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7 hours ago, NorCalRuss said:

This should never happen... How in the hell could this even happen if not on purpose from one of the sides. Millions of dollars in radar, surveillance.   Ridiculous situational awareness. 

Being an X-Army man of four decades ago this incident does seem ridiculous. How does any vessel get this close to a US warship without bells and whistles blaring ? A cruise liner or fishing boat colliding is one thing, a sophisticated floating killing machine is another. Didn't the USS Cole teaches us anything. Navy guys school me and others on how this can happen, thanks

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39 minutes ago, thc6795 said:

this is what happens when funding for the military is slashed for the last 8 yrs.

Funding cuts took away the position of someone on a ship or in a plane watching where they are  going? Seems like that responsibility should be given pretty high priority, and making sure available budget includes at least a driver of these expensive pieces of equipment.

Or were you just teasing in an attempt to jab at Obama?

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4 minutes ago, maxchoboian said:

Funding cuts took away the position of someone on a ship or in a plane watching where they are  going? Seems like that responsibility should be given pretty high priority, and making sure available budget includes at least a driver of these expensive pieces of equipment.

Or were you just teasing in an attempt to jab at Obama?

A person is only as good as his/her equipment. Do you know for sure it was human error? Or are you just teasing in an attempt to defend what Obama did to the military the last 8 yrs?

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7 minutes ago, thc6795 said:

A person is only as good as his/her equipment. Do you know for sure it was human error? Or are you just teasing in an attempt to defend what Obama did to the military the last 8 yrs?

I have no idea why this is happening, and neither do you.

But I doubt that all of a sudden we don't have ships and planes with equipment that can detect when another vessel is in their vicinity. That equipment probably wasn't "cut" by Obama, and I'd imagine it still works (or else the planes/ships wouldn't be out there).

Not sure this is the fault of any president. But you facetiously add "Blame Trump" to threads as though that's all the left side does, while at the same time you point toward Obama as the serious scapegoat on others issues.

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2 minutes ago, maxchoboian said:

I have no idea why this is happening, and neither do you.

But I doubt that all of a sudden we don't have ships and planes with equipment that can detect when another vessel is in their vicinity. That equipment probably wasn't "cut" by Obama, and I'd imagine it still works (or else the planes/ships wouldn't be out there).

Not sure this is the fault of any president. But you facetiously add "Blame Trump" to threads as though that's all the left side does, while at the same time you point toward Obama as the serious scapegoat on others issues.

That is all the left side does. You get diarrhea its Trumps fault. As for Obama cutting the military? You seriously question that?

Fact check:

 

President Obama has slashed defense spending and will leave his successor with a weaker military force — or so Republican presidential candidates, led by Donald Trump, charge.

THE CLAIM:

"Our military is depleted," Trump said in his foreign-policy address on Wednesday, "and we're asking our generals and military leaders to worry about global warming."

In the past, Trump has claimed the U.S. military under Obama has become "a disaster," and other Republicans have described it as "gutted" since Obama took office.

THE SHORT ANSWER:

The Air Force has 12 entire fleets of aircraft that qualify for antique license plates in Virginia.

It's complicated.

Pentagon leaders bristle at the idea their force has been "gutted" or is a "disaster." The U.S. remains far and away the world's foremost military power.

But spending is down; the force is smaller than when Obama took office and its equipment is aging. And, indeed, military leaders have spoken out about what they call the national-security dangers associated with climate change.

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U.S. Military Budgets 1948-2015

Obama FY2010-15 $663.4 billion per year
Bush Jr FY2002-09* $634.9 “ “ “
Clinton FY1994-2001 $418.0 “ “ “
Bush Sr FY1990-93 $513.4 “ “ “
Reagan FY1982-89 $565.0 “ “ “
Carter FY1978-81 $428.1 “ “ “
Ford FY1976-77 $406.7 “ “ “
Nixon FY1970-75 $441.7 “ “ “
Johnson FY1965-69 $527.3 “ “ “
Kennedy FY1962-64 $457.2 “ “ “
Eisenhower FY1954-61 $416.3 “ “ “
Truman FY1948-53 $375.7 “ “ “

*Excludes $80 billion supplemental added to FY2009 under Obama.

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2 minutes ago, dan in daytona said:

U.S. Military Budgets 1948-2015

Obama FY2010-15 $663.4 billion per year
Bush Jr FY2002-09* $634.9 “ “ “
Clinton FY1994-2001 $418.0 “ “ “
Bush Sr FY1990-93 $513.4 “ “ “
Reagan FY1982-89 $565.0 “ “ “
Carter FY1978-81 $428.1 “ “ “
Ford FY1976-77 $406.7 “ “ “
Nixon FY1970-75 $441.7 “ “ “
Johnson FY1965-69 $527.3 “ “ “
Kennedy FY1962-64 $457.2 “ “ “
Eisenhower FY1954-61 $416.3 “ “ “
Truman FY1948-53 $375.7 “ “ “

*Excludes $80 billion supplemental added to FY2009 under Obama.

I knew one of you would try this shit. Look exactly how much of that money went to the MILITARY

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22 minutes ago, dan in daytona said:

Come on man. Money had nothing to do with this BS. How does a foreign entity still get this close to our military ships ? 

Man all I am saying is our military force has been gutted under the Obama watch. We don't know for sure the equipment isn't faulty. One time ok maybe human error there have been multiple cases now not just collisions but aircraft mishaps. Dude they are till flying B52 older then I am. You cant honestly believe we are a better fighting force today because of Obama? He had the highest unfavorable rating of any president among military members. 18% approved 29.1% very unfavorable, 22.4% somewhat unfavorable, 12% neutral and 18.4% somewhat favorable. These were the people on the ground living with his decisions day and night. In another poll 52.1 enlisted highly unfavorable officers 48.1% unfavorable. He was liked most by the Navy and least liked by the Marines. Go figure. We already had to survive on scraps, Obama left less then that.

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2 hours ago, dan in daytona said:

U.S. Military Budgets 1948-2015

Obama FY2010-15 $663.4 billion per year
Bush Jr FY2002-09* $634.9 “ “ “
Clinton FY1994-2001 $418.0 “ “ “
Bush Sr FY1990-93 $513.4 “ “ “
Reagan FY1982-89 $565.0 “ “ “
Carter FY1978-81 $428.1 “ “ “
Ford FY1976-77 $406.7 “ “ “
Nixon FY1970-75 $441.7 “ “ “
Johnson FY1965-69 $527.3 “ “ “
Kennedy FY1962-64 $457.2 “ “ “
Eisenhower FY1954-61 $416.3 “ “ “
Truman FY1948-53 $375.7 “ “ “

*Excludes $80 billion supplemental added to FY2009 under Obama.

Leave facts out of this. Only sensible people can handle and interpret facts and as you can see, not everyone is sensible.

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6795, NO ONE ABOVE MENTIONED TRUMP BUT YOU. You brought politics into this. You're the A$$hole stirring things up. Most all "reasonable people" feel bad for soldiers and their families, wonder how this happens with modern technology, and to make sure this doesn't continue to happen.  This is a systematic problem that needs a common sense remedy.  

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11 minutes ago, dan in daytona said:

6795, NO ONE ABOVE MENTIONED TRUMP BUT YOU. You brought politics into this. You're the A$$hole stirring things up. Most all "reasonable people" feel bad for soldiers and their families, wonder how this happens with modern technology, and to make sure this doesn't continue to happen.  This is a systematic problem that needs a common sense remedy.  

Funny how you fucking libs care about the troops and families now. Obama fucked the military for 8 yrs you cant deny that. You cant deny that the equipment and system's used today are old and not adequate. You would rather blame a sailor for the mishap. No way in hell it could be faulty equipment right? Now you fucks want to be all Patriotic. Funny shit.

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From a news report. I wonder why young Navy officer haven't received the proper training?

 

This marked the fourth mishap for U.S. Navy ships in the Pacific since February.

Aside from the USS McCain and USS Fitgerald incidents, the Navy cruiser USS Antietam ran aground dumping more than 1,000 gallons of oil in Tokyo Bay in February. In May, another cruiser, USS Lake Champlain, hit a South Korean fishing vessel.

An active-duty Navy officer expressed concern to Fox News over the training of young Navy officers aboard ships.

“It’s not the same level of training you used to get,” the officer said.

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2 hours ago, thc6795 said:

Funny how you fucking libs care about the troops and families now. Obama fucked the military for 8 yrs you cant deny that. You cant deny that the equipment and system's used today are old and not adequate. You would rather blame a sailor for the mishap. No way in hell it could be faulty equipment right? Now you fucks want to be all Patriotic. Funny shit.

 

2 hours ago, thc6795 said:

From a news report. I wonder why young Navy officer haven't received the proper training?

 

This marked the fourth mishap for U.S. Navy ships in the Pacific since February.

Aside from the USS McCain and USS Fitgerald incidents, the Navy cruiser USS Antietam ran aground dumping more than 1,000 gallons of oil in Tokyo Bay in February. In May, another cruiser, USS Lake Champlain, hit a South Korean fishing vessel.

An active-duty Navy officer expressed concern to Fox News over the training of young Navy officers aboard ships.

“It’s not the same level of training you used to get,” the officer said.

What is it, faulty equipment or inadequate training? You've suggested both. Keep guessing, and remember to place blame at all times on the "fucking libs."

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