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7 hours ago, HooverOutlaw said:

LeBron is the most hated player in NBA so it is just not me.  His style of crying to the refs and flopping only appeals to the young or clueless fans.  Are you a LeBron fan?

As much as I dislike Lebron, the Lakers, Lebron is great . His big flaw, and always has been, is his erratic outside shot. Everything else he's right up there in the same tier as Jordan, except that clutch gene, killer instinct

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14 minutes ago, HooverOutlaw said:

Jordan had 63 in this game still lost. This proves you wrong only took a second.

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His Bulls lost 2 series to the Celtics and 2 series to the Pistons.   This is why I stated true dominance in the 90’s on that post.   Yes, my bad on the opponent, my mindset was on the results.  
 

His 3 pct seemed to get better in the 90’s also.  Maybe not statistically, maybe so.  Just seemed like he always had the dagger from 3 whenever he wanted.  

Once he was effective from 3 and had his first ring, imo he was already on a chutes and ladders rise to the top of Mt Rushmore of all time greats.  He did it all.  That infamous arm extended at the defender.   I forget who it was, said that Jordan palmed a 16 lb bowling ball and bowled over a 200 not using any holes. :)   

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2 hours ago, THEOC89 said:

Jordan never had to move around and Create “Super Teams”…. He was drafted by the Bulls, Pippin was Drafted by the Bulls as was Horace Grant….

They then took a Chance on Dennis Rodman and won 3 more and Jordan could have won 8 in a row if he didn’t go play Baseball…. All with the Same team with players they drafted….

Jordan beat the pistons, Lakers with Magic, Utah with Stockton and Malone and that Incredible Sonics team that won 67 games with Payton and Kemp…. He also Beat The blazers with Clyde Drexler and Cliff Robinson and the Greatest Suns team ever with Barkley…..

Conversely, LeBron lost to Duncan and the Spurs Multiple Times (Including with his Miami Superteam) and lost to Steph without KD and with KD…. And let’s not forget, Lebron Miami Superteam lost to the Mavericks who were no DYNASTY So no, the Jordan stats don’t lie…. Jordan was better then LeBron Period….

If Lebron won 4 titles with Cleveland a case could be made, but to move teams so often and create Superteams and ruin franchises in the process takes most of the Shine off what Lebron has done…. 

And Remember MJ only played 15 years…. Had he played 20 like Lefraud, he would have at least another 10k points which would put him a few thousand ahead of Lebron and he would not be the all time scoring leader….

It is The Lebron lovers that have to make up the stats, MJ’s accomplishments stand on their own, while Lebron will always be tainted by moving from team to team and all his flopping, crying and stupid comments…. 

The Bottom line is this…. Lebron has been in 10 finals and is 4-6…. MJ is 6-0…. Which record would you rather have?…. 🤣🍻

I would rather have 11 championships in 13 seasons 🤷🏻‍♀️ I guess that makes Bill Russell the GOAT.

https://global.nba.com/news/spurs-big-3-breaks-nba-record-for-wins-by-a-trio-passing-legendary-celtics-team-of-bird-mchale-parish/#

The Spurs trio of Tim Duncan, Manu Ginobili and Tony Parker are the most dominant and winningest basketball 3 to ever step foot on a court.IMG_3296.jpeg.00c6691fefe8981f3a08a04f0c2f1d67.jpeg

The only franchise trio to own an 18-year 50+ win seasons record. [6 were 60+ win seasons] 

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Manu Ginobili is the player credited for bringing the “Euro-step” into the NBA and he was drafted by the Spurs in 2002.

98’-99’ 🏆

02’-03’ 🏆 [End Lakers Kobe and Shaq championship run]
04’-05’ 🏆 

06’-07’ 🏆

12’-13’ 

13’-14’ 🏆

 

So, explain how that is a knock against LeBron losing to them in 07’ and 14’.

Gregg Popovich is arguably the greatest NBA head coach of all-time.

Would you like to know who played for Gregg Popovich on the Spurs and then became an assistant head coach for him?

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Steve Kerr

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You know Steve Kerr. The man who played alongside Michael Jordan for that second 3-peat [1996-1998]. The man who played with and won a championship with the Spurs [2003]. The man who is currently running the Golden State Warriors dynasty who incorporated the ball movement and fast paced precision play that he learned under his time playing with and assistant coaching under Gregg Popovich. 
 

Now, add to that the Splash Brothers:

Stephen Curry and Klay Thompson

• 5 straight NBA finals appearances 

• 73-9 regular season NBA record for wins.

A little more personal history between Steph and Klay:

Most 3-pointers NBA history: Steph Curry - 2,977

Most 3-pointers in a season: Steph Curry - 402 (2015-16)

In 2015-16, the season Curry became the first unanimous MVP in league history, he made 402 3-pointers, the most all-time. In fact, he is the only player to ever hit over 400 3s in a season.

Most 3-pointers in a game: Klay Thompson - 14 (Oct. 29, 2018)

Most 3-pointers in playoff history: Steph Curry (470)

Most 3-pointers in NBA Finals history: Steph Curry (121)

Consecutive games with a 3-pointer: Steph Curry - 157 (Nov. 13, 2014 - Nov. 2, 2016)

Most seasons leading NBA in 3-pointers: Steph Curry - 6 ('12-13, '13-14, '14-15, '15-16, '16-17, '20-21)

Most 3-pointers in a half: T-1 Klay Thompson, Chandler Parsons - 10 (vs. Chicago, 2018)

Most 3-pointers in a quarter: Klay Thompson - 9 (vs. Sacramento, 2015)

Most games with 10-plus 3-pointers made in NBA history – 21 

This is one of those seemingly unbreakable records. Curry has 21 games with 10 or more 3s made in his career, the most in NBA history by a landslide.

His teammate Klay Thompson ranks second in league history for games with 10 or more 3s made with five.

Most 3-pointers in a four-game playoff series: Steph Curry - 26 (vs. Portland, 2019)

Most 3-pointers in five-game playoff series: Klay Thompson - 28 ( vs. Portland, 2016)

Most 3-pointers in a calendar month: Steph Curry - 96 (April 2021)

The only major 3-point records that neither of the two Splash Brothers own is the record for most 3-pointers by a rookie, most 3-pointers in a playoff game, and most 3-pointers in a six- or seven-game playoff series.

Now add, Kevin Durant to a team with that much offensive firepower for the ‘17 - ‘19 Warriors title runs.

‘14-‘15 🏆

‘15-‘16 

16’-‘17 🏆

17’-18’ 🏆

18’-19’

21’-22’ 🏆

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Please, don’t disrespect the San Antonio Spurs or the Golden State Warriors like that again; as if it’s some embarrassing feat that someone even as great as LeBron lost to them. 

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1 hour ago, HooverOutlaw said:

Ever heard of the 80's Celtics and 80's lakers. Better teams than LeBron ever faced. Which stats are wrong and false? 

Historically, the Celtics and Lakers were better in their time. Neither of the 80’s teams are beating the Spurs or Warrior organizations. 
 

They didn’t know about Euro-steps, weren’t shooting 3-pointers at today’s rate. Scoring is much more proficient now. That would make a huge difference.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/who-has-the-most-3pm-in-a-season

FYI, Michael Jordan broke the NBA record for 3’s in a half with 6 in the 92’ final?

That has been smashed since then. 
 Klay Thompson himself has 9 in a quarter.

 

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1 hour ago, SeaShells21 said:

I would rather have 11 championships in 13 seasons 🤷🏻‍♀️ I guess that makes Bill Russell the GOAT.

https://global.nba.com/news/spurs-big-3-breaks-nba-record-for-wins-by-a-trio-passing-legendary-celtics-team-of-bird-mchale-parish/#

The Spurs trio of Tim Duncan, Manu Ginobili and Tony Parker are the most dominant and winningest basketball 3 to ever step foot on a court.IMG_3296.jpeg.00c6691fefe8981f3a08a04f0c2f1d67.jpeg

The only franchise trio to own an 18-year 50+ win seasons record. [6 were 60+ win seasons] 

IMG_3298.jpeg.1a71eaa84e0d229e62450f407d17a6ef.jpeg

Manu Ginobili is the player credited for bringing the “Euro-step” into the NBA and he was drafted by the Spurs in 2002.

98’-99’ 🏆

02’-03’ 🏆 [End Lakers Kobe and Shaq championship run]
04’-05’ 🏆 

06’-07’ 🏆

12’-13’ 

13’-14’ 🏆

 

So, explain how that is a knock against LeBron losing to them in 07’ and 14’.

Gregg Popovich is arguably the greatest NBA head coach of all-time.

Would you like to know who played for Gregg Popovich on the Spurs and then became an assistant head coach for him?

IMG_3299.jpeg.e67d113dec9e3905dda415f3ea94616f.jpeg

Steve Kerr

IMG_3300.thumb.jpeg.7b64e21155573f1301c173b9b6124433.jpeg

You know Steve Kerr. The man who played alongside Michael Jordan for that second 3-peat [1996-1998]. The man who played with and won a championship with the Spurs [2003]. The man who is currently running the Golden State Warriors dynasty who incorporated the ball movement and fast paced precision play that he learned under his time playing with and assistant coaching under Gregg Popovich. 
 

Now, add to that the Splash Brothers:

Stephen Curry and Klay Thompson

• 5 straight NBA finals appearances 

• 73-9 regular season NBA record for wins.

A little more personal history between Steph and Klay:

Most 3-pointers NBA history: Steph Curry - 2,977

Most 3-pointers in a season: Steph Curry - 402 (2015-16)

In 2015-16, the season Curry became the first unanimous MVP in league history, he made 402 3-pointers, the most all-time. In fact, he is the only player to ever hit over 400 3s in a season.

Most 3-pointers in a game: Klay Thompson - 14 (Oct. 29, 2018)

Most 3-pointers in playoff history: Steph Curry (470)

Most 3-pointers in NBA Finals history: Steph Curry (121)

Consecutive games with a 3-pointer: Steph Curry - 157 (Nov. 13, 2014 - Nov. 2, 2016)

Most seasons leading NBA in 3-pointers: Steph Curry - 6 ('12-13, '13-14, '14-15, '15-16, '16-17, '20-21)

Most 3-pointers in a half: T-1 Klay Thompson, Chandler Parsons - 10 (vs. Chicago, 2018)

Most 3-pointers in a quarter: Klay Thompson - 9 (vs. Sacramento, 2015)

Most games with 10-plus 3-pointers made in NBA history – 21 

This is one of those seemingly unbreakable records. Curry has 21 games with 10 or more 3s made in his career, the most in NBA history by a landslide.

His teammate Klay Thompson ranks second in league history for games with 10 or more 3s made with five.

Most 3-pointers in a four-game playoff series: Steph Curry - 26 (vs. Portland, 2019)

Most 3-pointers in five-game playoff series: Klay Thompson - 28 ( vs. Portland, 2016)

Most 3-pointers in a calendar month: Steph Curry - 96 (April 2021)

The only major 3-point records that neither of the two Splash Brothers own is the record for most 3-pointers by a rookie, most 3-pointers in a playoff game, and most 3-pointers in a six- or seven-game playoff series.

Now add, Kevin Durant to a team with that much offensive firepower for the ‘17 - ‘19 Warriors title runs.

‘14-‘15 🏆

‘15-‘16 

16’-‘17 🏆

17’-18’ 🏆

18’-19’

21’-22’ 🏆

235_Original.thumb.jpeg.a95f2a46cfdf1d08c50302409ed70943.jpeg
 

Please, don’t disrespect the San Antonio Spurs or the Golden State Warriors like that again; as if it’s some embarrassing feat that someone even as great as LeBron lost to them. 

Talk about a team that never had to play anyone of elite status in a finals !  Spurs played chicken feed teams in the finals. That last Miami team with Lebron was similar to this years warrior team, a team on it's last legs . Thats why Lebron left Miami because the writng was on the wall

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28 minutes ago, CaliNorth said:

Talk about a team that never had to play anyone of elite status in a finals !  Spurs played chicken feed teams in the finals. That last Miami team with Lebron was similar to this years warrior team, a team on it's last legs . Thats why Lebron left Miami because the writng was on the wall

Okay, we can ignore the 18 years of 50 and 60+ win seasons dominating ALL teams in the league.

Taking Kobe’s Lakers out of the playoffs. 

Beating the Pistons teams who beat Kobe and the Lakers the year before.

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Beating two LeBron James led teams.

So yeah.

Never mind.

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1 hour ago, SeaShells21 said:

I would rather have 11 championships in 13 seasons 🤷🏻‍♀️ I guess that makes Bill Russell the GOAT.

https://global.nba.com/news/spurs-big-3-breaks-nba-record-for-wins-by-a-trio-passing-legendary-celtics-team-of-bird-mchale-parish/#

The Spurs trio of Tim Duncan, Manu Ginobili and Tony Parker are the most dominant and winningest basketball 3 to ever step foot on a court.IMG_3296.jpeg.00c6691fefe8981f3a08a04f0c2f1d67.jpeg

The only franchise trio to own an 18-year 50+ win seasons record. [6 were 60+ win seasons] 

IMG_3298.jpeg.1a71eaa84e0d229e62450f407d17a6ef.jpeg

Manu Ginobili is the player credited for bringing the “Euro-step” into the NBA and he was drafted by the Spurs in 2002.

98’-99’ 🏆

02’-03’ 🏆 [End Lakers Kobe and Shaq championship run]
04’-05’ 🏆 

06’-07’ 🏆

12’-13’ 

13’-14’ 🏆

 

So, explain how that is a knock against LeBron losing to them in 07’ and 14’.

Gregg Popovich is arguably the greatest NBA head coach of all-time.

Would you like to know who played for Gregg Popovich on the Spurs and then became an assistant head coach for him?

IMG_3299.jpeg.e67d113dec9e3905dda415f3ea94616f.jpeg

Steve Kerr

IMG_3300.thumb.jpeg.7b64e21155573f1301c173b9b6124433.jpeg

You know Steve Kerr. The man who played alongside Michael Jordan for that second 3-peat [1996-1998]. The man who played with and won a championship with the Spurs [2003]. The man who is currently running the Golden State Warriors dynasty who incorporated the ball movement and fast paced precision play that he learned under his time playing with and assistant coaching under Gregg Popovich. 
 

Now, add to that the Splash Brothers:

Stephen Curry and Klay Thompson

• 5 straight NBA finals appearances 

• 73-9 regular season NBA record for wins.

A little more personal history between Steph and Klay:

Most 3-pointers NBA history: Steph Curry - 2,977

Most 3-pointers in a season: Steph Curry - 402 (2015-16)

In 2015-16, the season Curry became the first unanimous MVP in league history, he made 402 3-pointers, the most all-time. In fact, he is the only player to ever hit over 400 3s in a season.

Most 3-pointers in a game: Klay Thompson - 14 (Oct. 29, 2018)

Most 3-pointers in playoff history: Steph Curry (470)

Most 3-pointers in NBA Finals history: Steph Curry (121)

Consecutive games with a 3-pointer: Steph Curry - 157 (Nov. 13, 2014 - Nov. 2, 2016)

Most seasons leading NBA in 3-pointers: Steph Curry - 6 ('12-13, '13-14, '14-15, '15-16, '16-17, '20-21)

Most 3-pointers in a half: T-1 Klay Thompson, Chandler Parsons - 10 (vs. Chicago, 2018)

Most 3-pointers in a quarter: Klay Thompson - 9 (vs. Sacramento, 2015)

Most games with 10-plus 3-pointers made in NBA history – 21 

This is one of those seemingly unbreakable records. Curry has 21 games with 10 or more 3s made in his career, the most in NBA history by a landslide.

His teammate Klay Thompson ranks second in league history for games with 10 or more 3s made with five.

Most 3-pointers in a four-game playoff series: Steph Curry - 26 (vs. Portland, 2019)

Most 3-pointers in five-game playoff series: Klay Thompson - 28 ( vs. Portland, 2016)

Most 3-pointers in a calendar month: Steph Curry - 96 (April 2021)

The only major 3-point records that neither of the two Splash Brothers own is the record for most 3-pointers by a rookie, most 3-pointers in a playoff game, and most 3-pointers in a six- or seven-game playoff series.

Now add, Kevin Durant to a team with that much offensive firepower for the ‘17 - ‘19 Warriors title runs.

‘14-‘15 🏆

‘15-‘16 

16’-‘17 🏆

17’-18’ 🏆

18’-19’

21’-22’ 🏆

235_Original.thumb.jpeg.a95f2a46cfdf1d08c50302409ed70943.jpeg
 

Please, don’t disrespect the San Antonio Spurs or the Golden State Warriors like that again; as if it’s some embarrassing feat that someone even as great as LeBron lost to them. 

The Spurs won 5 Titles in 15 years so that means they were beat 10 times during their “Dynasty”….. Far from an Unbeatable team….

I like the Warriors so I won’t argue that…

The Common thread though is these teams were Drafted, not Lebron free agent formed Superteams that have ruined the NBA….And when Lebron decided he had enough of those hand picked teams he left them Decimated….

Even when KD left the Warriors He was grateful and agreed to a trade That ultimately netted Andrew Wiggins and another title for the Warriors….

What Did Lebron do for any of the teams he left except consistently lose in the finals and left the teams with no talent and lottery bound….

The NBA needed MJ to carry the torch from Magic and Bird…. The NBA would have been just fine if Lebron never played, it would probably be better for franchises and fans with less players trying to ruin franchises just so they can hand pick their teams and play with their friends…..

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40 minutes ago, THEOC89 said:

The Spurs won 5 Titles in 15 years so that means they were beat 10 times during their “Dynasty”….. Far from an Unbeatable team….

I like the Warriors so I won’t argue that…

The Common thread though is these teams were Drafted, not Lebron free agent formed Superteams that have ruined the NBA….And when Lebron decided he had enough of those hand picked teams he left them Decimated….

Even when KD left the Warriors He was grateful and agreed to a trade That ultimately netted Andrew Wiggins and another title for the Warriors….

What Did Lebron do for any of the teams he left except consistently lose in the finals and left the teams with no talent and lottery bound….

The NBA needed MJ to carry the torch from Magic and Bird…. The NBA would have been just fine if Lebron never played, it would probably be better for franchises and fans with less players trying to ruin franchises just so they can hand pick their teams and play with their friends…..

The Spurs were a legit threat to win the title every year because no one could stop them. As I said before, they dominated the ball movement game and what you see from the Warriors now is what the Spurs used to do before it became popular to do. You can’t say that about most teams.

 

 

Teams were “super-teaming” before the Heat brought Bosh and LeBron there.

Look at the early 2000s Rockets. Hakeem Olujawon, Scottie Pippen, and Charles Barkley traded there.

The Lakers trading for Shaq, Kobe, Gary Payton, and Karl Malone?

The Celtics trading to create the super team and the Big-3? Ray Allen, Kevin Garnett, Glenn Davis, and Paul Pierce.

Which was the basis for LeBron, Wade, and Bosh coming together in the first place.

 

& It would really help if you didn’t just say things.

Kevin Durant himself said he had a fallout with Draymond and wanted out. Then Kyrie convinced KD and James Harden to team up in Brooklyn.

So, let’s not act like LeBron created super teaming.

You just proved my point too by saying he left the team decimated. If one person leaving a team decimates the team; that means that player WAS the team. Proving my point that LeBron has not had the type of team Jordan or Kobe were fortunate to be a part of. All time great coaching with future Hall-Of-Fame teammates.

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54 minutes ago, SeaShells21 said:

Okay, we can ignore the 18 years of 50 and 60+ win seasons dominating ALL teams in the league.

Taking Kobe’s Lakers out of the playoffs. 

Beating the Pistons teams who beat Kobe and the Lakers the year before.

&

Beating two LeBron James led teams.

So yeah.

Never mind.

The 18 years of 50-60 wins is fine but they won it all 5 times so that means they lost 13 times….

A deeper dive shows the Following:

2000- 53 wins, 1st round loss

2009- 54 wins 1st round loss

2015- 55 wins, 1st round loss

2011- 61 wins, 1st round loss

2006- 63 wins 2nd round loss

2016- 67 wins 2nd round loss

So in 18 years The Spurs “Dynasty” lost in the 1st or 2nd rounds 6 times which is more times then titles they won…. Who cares if you win 50-60 games if you lose in the 1st or second round…. 

I am not saying that the Spurs are not a Great, 1st Class organization with an all time great coach I am just saying that Lebron James is overrated and a franchise hopper….

Give me Tim Duncan with 20 years with the same team through both good and bad and 5 Titles any day…. He was better for the NBA than Lebron because he didn’t burn down the franchise and put the Spurs on the Map as an all time great NBA franchise….

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2 hours ago, HooverOutlaw said:

Bill Russell is the greatest winner in sports history.

Bill Russell was The Greatest winner of his ERA…. Not in Sports history…. That would probably be Tiger Woods….

Those Celtics Teams are likely the most overrated teams in NBA history…. 

For 9 of the 11 Titles they only had to win 2 playoff series…. And guess what happened when the NBA went to 3 playoff series, they lost….

They won 2 more with 3 playoff series for their 11 in 13 years…. Had they needed to play 3 or 4 series like today, no way they win all those titles….

The Great NBA teams start with the 80’s Lakers through the Warriors of today, no way those Celtics teams beat any of the Lakers, Celtics, Pistons, Bulls, Rockets, Spurs or Warriors teams since the 80’s….

But Bill Russell was one of the greatest People to ever walk this earth, and was instrumental in the Civil Rights movement and dealing with all the racists in Boston at the time…. I think of him as The Greatest winner all time in that respect….

Basketball wise he was the Greatest winner of HIS ERA….

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59 minutes ago, SeaShells21 said:

The Spurs were a legit threat to win the title every year because no one could stop them. As I said before, they dominated the ball movement game and what you see from the Warriors now is what the Spurs used to do before it became popular to do. You can’t say that about most teams.

 

 

Teams were “super-teaming” before the Heat brought Bosh and LeBron there.

Look at the early 2000s Rockets. Hakeem Olujawon, Scottie Pippen, and Charles Barkley traded there.

The Lakers trading for Shaq, Kobe, Gary Payton, and Karl Malone?

The Celtics trading to create the super team and the Big-3? Ray Allen, Kevin Garnett, Glenn Davis, and Paul Pierce.

Which was the basis for LeBron, Wade, and Bosh coming together in the first place.

 

& It would really help if you didn’t just say things.

Kevin Durant himself said he had a fallout with Draymond and wanted out. Then Kyrie convinced KD and James Harden to team up in Brooklyn.

So, let’s not act like LeBron created super teaming.

You just proved my point too by saying he left the team decimated. If one person leaving a team decimates the team; that means that player WAS the team. Proving my point that LeBron has not had the type of team Jordan or Kobe were fortunate to be a part of. All time great coaching with future Hall-Of-Fame teammates.

All those other teams were created in Trades and how did that work out?…. Only the Celtics won a title and they only won 1…. The rest of them went in the tank for years except the Lakers because they still had Kobe….

LeBron Created the Franchise Ruining Free Agent Superteams and as soon as the teams were salary cap strapped, he bolted and left the franchises in ruins….

He signed 1&1 deals so he could get out at any time, no commitment to the Franchise and fans to building anything lasting, just holding them hostage to overpay so his buddies can come in and play with him…..

KD left The Warriors because his fragile ego couldn’t handle the Fact that he would never be as popular as Steph so he went with that Bozo Kyrie to try to stick it to the Warriors…. How did that work out?…. 🤣

Now KD got his way again and made the Suns Mortgage their future so he could play with Booker on a Superteam and they lost in the Second round and have major salary cap issues going forward….

Superteams don’t work and they ruin the NBA…. All the great Dynastic teams were built through the draft, not free agency….. 

And players make Coaches…. How has Popovich been since Duncan retired and Kwai left?…. Was Phil Jackson a better coach because he had MJ, Shaq and Kobe?…. How many titles would he have without those guys or if he coached The Clippers?…. 

Would Steve Kerr be considered a great Coach if he took The Knicks job instead of The Warriors?…. How many Titles did Pat Riley win with the Knicks?…..

Again, the NBA didn’t need Lebron, it would be just fine without him…. 

“We are Going to win Not 2,3,4,5 but 6 titles”….

”Beating The 73 Win Warriors Made me The Greatest of all Time”….

”Now Give me My Dam Respect”….

”Bronny is Better than all these NBA players I am Watching right now”….

Lebron is just a Jerk and a Bozo and a 6 time loser in the finals who only won on the Coattails of others and his constant crying to the refs… Hopefully he retires…. 

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15 hours ago, THEOC89 said:

Bill Russell was The Greatest winner of his ERA…. Not in Sports history…. That would probably be Tiger Woods….

Those Celtics Teams are likely the most overrated teams in NBA history…. 

For 9 of the 11 Titles they only had to win 2 playoff series…. And guess what happened when the NBA went to 3 playoff series, they lost….

They won 2 more with 3 playoff series for their 11 in 13 years…. Had they needed to play 3 or 4 series like today, no way they win all those titles….

The Great NBA teams start with the 80’s Lakers through the Warriors of today, no way those Celtics teams beat any of the Lakers, Celtics, Pistons, Bulls, Rockets, Spurs or Warriors teams since the 80’s….

But Bill Russell was one of the greatest People to ever walk this earth, and was instrumental in the Civil Rights movement and dealing with all the racists in Boston at the time…. I think of him as The Greatest winner all time in that respect….

Basketball wise he was the Greatest winner of HIS ERA….

Great rebounder and team player is an understatement for #6. 

Also, there wasn’t much movement on rosters back then, similar to the Yankees run. 
If you’re loaded, count the years together.  Red lit his cigar a lot.  :)  
 

 

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15 hours ago, THEOC89 said:

All those other teams were created in Trades and how did that work out?…. Only the Celtics won a title and they only won 1…. The rest of them went in the tank for years except the Lakers because they still had Kobe….

LeBron Created the Franchise Ruining Free Agent Superteams and as soon as the teams were salary cap strapped, he bolted and left the franchises in ruins….

He signed 1&1 deals so he could get out at any time, no commitment to the Franchise and fans to building anything lasting, just holding them hostage to overpay so his buddies can come in and play with him…..

KD left The Warriors because his fragile ego couldn’t handle the Fact that he would never be as popular as Steph so he went with that Bozo Kyrie to try to stick it to the Warriors…. How did that work out?…. 🤣

Now KD got his way again and made the Suns Mortgage their future so he could play with Booker on a Superteam and they lost in the Second round and have major salary cap issues going forward….

Superteams don’t work and they ruin the NBA…. All the great Dynastic teams were built through the draft, not free agency….. 

And players make Coaches…. How has Popovich been since Duncan retired and Kwai left?…. Was Phil Jackson a better coach because he had MJ, Shaq and Kobe?…. How many titles would he have without those guys or if he coached The Clippers?…. 

Would Steve Kerr be considered a great Coach if he took The Knicks job instead of The Warriors?…. How many Titles did Pat Riley win with the Knicks?…..

Again, the NBA didn’t need Lebron, it would be just fine without him…. 

“We are Going to win Not 2,3,4,5 but 6 titles”….

”Beating The 73 Win Warriors Made me The Greatest of all Time”….

”Now Give me My Dam Respect”….

”Bronny is Better than all these NBA players I am Watching right now”….

Lebron is just a Jerk and a Bozo and a 6 time loser in the finals who only won on the Coattails of others and his constant crying to the refs… Hopefully he retires…. 

Yep, that Lebron and Wade interview with Lebron’s not one, not two, etc was major cringe.  

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Jordan’s losses in the late 80’s to the Pistons is no shame nor the Celtics and once Pippen and Grant joined and Oak left for the Knicks as I recall, the Bulls fired up all cylinders.   

The Rodman 3-4 year run was the zenith of the Bulls run imo.  The best rebounder along with the best overall player and Pippen still effective enough and a supporting cast that filled the void for Phil’s needs.  

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56 minutes ago, golfaddict1 said:

Great rebounder and team player is an understatement for #6. 

Also, there wasn’t much movement on rosters back then, similar to the Yankees run. 
If you’re loaded, count the years together.  Red lit his cigar a lot.  :)  
 

 

Definitely different times…. No free agency, less playoff rounds, less teams in the leagues…. Same goes for Baseball….

Just look at the Yankees…. Most of the WS they won there were no playoffs, you just went straight to the WS…. There is a lot that can go wrong even for a Great Baseball team in a playoff series….

I would argue that the Greatest Yankee teams were the Jeter led teams because they had to win multiple postseason series to even get to the WS….. 

Also why I say Phil Jackson is a far better coach the Red Arebauch…. Phil won 11 Titles with 2 different teams, dealing with Free agency, more playoff rounds and much more media scrutiny….

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1 hour ago, THEOC89 said:

Definitely different times…. No free agency, less playoff rounds, less teams in the leagues…. Same goes for Baseball….

Just look at the Yankees…. Most of the WS they won there were no playoffs, you just went straight to the WS…. There is a lot that can go wrong even for a Great Baseball team in a playoff series….

I would argue that the Greatest Yankee teams were the Jeter led teams because they had to win multiple postseason series to even get to the WS….. 

Also why I say Phil Jackson is a far better coach the Red Arebauch…. Phil won 11 Titles with 2 different teams, dealing with Free agency, more playoff rounds and much more media scrutiny….

Yankees have not been the same since The Boss died.

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19 hours ago, THEOC89 said:

All those other teams were created in Trades and how did that work out?…. Only the Celtics won a title and they only won 1…. The rest of them went in the tank for years except the Lakers because they still had Kobe….

LeBron Created the Franchise Ruining Free Agent Superteams and as soon as the teams were salary cap strapped, he bolted and left the franchises in ruins….

He signed 1&1 deals so he could get out at any time, no commitment to the Franchise and fans to building anything lasting, just holding them hostage to overpay so his buddies can come in and play with him…..

KD left The Warriors because his fragile ego couldn’t handle the Fact that he would never be as popular as Steph so he went with that Bozo Kyrie to try to stick it to the Warriors…. How did that work out?…. 🤣

Now KD got his way again and made the Suns Mortgage their future so he could play with Booker on a Superteam and they lost in the Second round and have major salary cap issues going forward….

Superteams don’t work and they ruin the NBA…. All the great Dynastic teams were built through the draft, not free agency….. 

And players make Coaches…. How has Popovich been since Duncan retired and Kwai left?…. Was Phil Jackson a better coach because he had MJ, Shaq and Kobe?…. How many titles would he have without those guys or if he coached The Clippers?…. 

Would Steve Kerr be considered a great Coach if he took The Knicks job instead of The Warriors?…. How many Titles did Pat Riley win with the Knicks?…..

Again, the NBA didn’t need Lebron, it would be just fine without him…. 

“We are Going to win Not 2,3,4,5 but 6 titles”….

”Beating The 73 Win Warriors Made me The Greatest of all Time”….

”Now Give me My Dam Respect”….

”Bronny is Better than all these NBA players I am Watching right now”….

Lebron is just a Jerk and a Bozo and a 6 time loser in the finals who only won on the Coattails of others and his constant crying to the refs… Hopefully he retires…. 

One caveat to your post is the Lakers never drafted Wilt, Kareem, or Shaq . They were able to win titles with all of them, including Lebron. They even tried it with Howard, and Gasol put them over the hump. So the Lakers it appears, won all their post George Mikan titles due to opportunistic trades .

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2 minutes ago, CaliNorth said:

One caveat to your post is the Lakers never drafted Wilt, Kareem, or Shaq . They were able to win titles with all of them, including Lebron. They even tried it with Howard, and Gasol put them over the hump. So the Lakers it appears, won all their post George Mikan titles due to opportunistic trades .

I also dug Bob McAdoo and his high white socks.  He was an assassin offensively in his prime and lent a helping hand of scoring as a Laker.  I was so psyched as a kid when he was a Knickerbocker.  

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13 minutes ago, CaliNorth said:

One caveat to your post is the Lakers never drafted Wilt, Kareem, or Shaq . They were able to win titles with all of them, including Lebron. They even tried it with Howard, and Gasol put them over the hump. So the Lakers it appears, won all their post George Mikan titles due to opportunistic trades .

You are Correct!…. Shaq was actually signed as a Free agent, but the key to winning the titles was drafting Kobe who played his whole career through good and bad with the Lakers and won 5 titles…. He didn’t bail when things didn’t go well….

They Traded for Kareem, but they didn’t win titles until they drafted Magic who played his whole career there…. They also drafted James worthy and others…. But Kareem played the rest of his Career with the Lakers, he didn’t jump around to other teams….

So that’s a big difference over what Lebron has done…. He has never made the Commitment to one franchise for better or worse and elevated that franchise to a Champion…. He has bailed on them all as soon as there were salary cap concerns….

Just look at what he is doing to the Lakers now with his Retirement threat…. The Lakers owe him and AD almost $200 mil over the next 2 years not to mention all the other players and AD is proving he is not reliable….

So even-though Lebron and his agent forced the Lakers into acquiring  AD, Lebron is not happy and holding the hammer over the Lakers in the form of retirement….

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As a former Knicks fan (always root for the uniforms, but not following anything remotely close to my younger days living in NJ)…

1993 game 5, Charles Smith.  :(  
 

That was the Knicks time, that wasn’t.  Every Knicks fan saw Smith in position for what seemed like an eternity under the basket and no bucket from a well built tall frame.  I think Pippen made the last strip block.  

Bernard King was so on fire one playoff series, but not to be.  Ewing had a good foundation around him to win, but not to be.  Knicks didn’t get hardware, while the Celtics, Pistons and Bulls did.  
Heat as well.  

The Knicks with Riley had some epic battles with the Heat.  

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