Wildcat Will Posted June 2, 2023 Report Share Posted June 2, 2023 https://www.abc4.com/news/northern-utah/king-james-bible-to-be-removed-from-davis-school-district-library-shelves-in-younger-grades/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted June 2, 2023 Report Share Posted June 2, 2023 Not news. It's been a separation of church and state thing for a long time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolebull813 Posted June 3, 2023 Report Share Posted June 3, 2023 24 minutes ago, concha said: Not news. It's been a separation of church and state thing for a long time. I think the fact that lefties did everything they could to erase God from public schools, but openly market the LGBT agenda in the same spaces, it has expedited the process to allow private school vouchers to any and all kids. The fact they want Christian, Catholic, Muslim, Buddhist etc etc to fork out money to fund a school, but when the school is built, make no mention of any of these religions who dictate how those tax payers live is preposterous. Children are not allowed to learn about God, but they can learn about non-binary pansexual gender queers. It’s poetic justice that republican governors are pulling money from cesspool public schools who are ran by democrat teacher unions and allowing parents to choose a faith based option where they can learn how to rebuke a sinful and degenerate society 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawgGoneIt Posted June 3, 2023 Report Share Posted June 3, 2023 20 hours ago, Nolebull813 said: I think the fact that lefties did everything they could to erase God from public schools, but openly market the LGBT agenda in the same spaces, it has expedited the process to allow private school vouchers to any and all kids. The fact they want Christian, Catholic, Muslim, Buddhist etc etc to fork out money to fund a school, but when the school is built, make no mention of any of these religions who dictate how those tax payers live is preposterous. Children are not allowed to learn about God, but they can learn about non-binary pansexual gender queers. It’s poetic justice that republican governors are pulling money from cesspool public schools who are ran by democrat teacher unions and allowing parents to choose a faith based option where they can learn how to rebuke a sinful and degenerate society God can't be proven as real. Lesbians, Gay and Queer people are definitely real. Not sure I agree with banning the bible altogether, but, definitely move it to the fiction section until which time it can be backed up as actual nonfiction. I prefer to teach kids about stuff they will most definitely encounter in their life than some mumbo jumbo hokus pokus stuff they"ll never see. I'm all for voucher programs. You should be allowed the choice to apply the same amount of money taxes pay for a public school education toward whatever education you choose for yours. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolebull813 Posted June 3, 2023 Report Share Posted June 3, 2023 36 minutes ago, HawgGoneIt said: God can't be proven as real. Lesbians, Gay and Queer people are definitely real. Not sure I agree with banning the bible altogether, but, definitely move it to the fiction section until which time it can be backed up as actual nonfiction. I prefer to teach kids about stuff they will most definitely encounter in their life than some mumbo jumbo hokus pokus stuff they"ll never see. I'm all for voucher programs. You should be allowed the choice to apply the same amount of money taxes pay for a public school education toward whatever education you choose for yours. I agree with the last part. You should. Most public schools cost between $7-$11,000 per kid per year. That money should be able to be used for any school the parent sees fit. Not everyone learns the same. Not everyone wants to be exposed to the worst society has to offer. So it’s great that they are giving parents the choice. Surprised you don’t believe in God or the Bible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawgGoneIt Posted June 3, 2023 Report Share Posted June 3, 2023 54 minutes ago, Nolebull813 said: I agree with the last part. You should. Most public schools cost between $7-$11,000 per kid per year. That money should be able to be used for any school the parent sees fit. Not everyone learns the same. Not everyone wants to be exposed to the worst society has to offer. So it’s great that they are giving parents the choice. Surprised you don’t believe in God or the Bible. It's mythology. Put it in the same classification and by all means teach it. It should not be taught as truth or reality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolebull813 Posted June 3, 2023 Report Share Posted June 3, 2023 12 minutes ago, HawgGoneIt said: It's mythology. Put it in the same classification and by all means teach it. It should not be taught as truth or reality. But just because you don’t think it is truth or reality doesn’t make it so. The majority of people on planet earth believe in God, or a higher power. That should be able to be recognized in society the same as anyone’s sexual preferences, or way they identify. you can’t prove transgenderism exists. It’s just made up fairytales by mentally ill people. And you can say that about anything that you specifically don’t believe is true 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawgGoneIt Posted June 4, 2023 Report Share Posted June 4, 2023 2 hours ago, Nolebull813 said: But just because you don’t think it is truth or reality doesn’t make it so. The majority of people on planet earth believe in God, or a higher power. That should be able to be recognized in society the same as anyone’s sexual preferences, or way they identify. you can’t prove transgenderism exists. It’s just made up fairytales by mentally ill people. And you can say that about anything that you specifically don’t believe is true Read those two statements you just made really well. Tomato tomahto? Oh, I believe in a higher power. I just don't believe it's what you think. It's not the mythology in that book anyway. Might as well believe in Zeus too. So many of the stories are so much the same. Hard to believe it isn't just copy cat bullshit. At any rate... I see transgender people every day. They exist. They may be just as confused about stuff as you are. They're definitely confused about their sexuality. Do you believe there is an illness called autism? If so, how do you know its real? Did you see it? Or do you just see kids that aren't vocal and accept the terminology? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belly Bob Posted June 4, 2023 Report Share Posted June 4, 2023 5 hours ago, HawgGoneIt said: God can't be proven as real. Lesbians, Gay and Queer people are definitely real. I'm curious why think the one is definitely real and the other isn't. Maybe you think it's a stupid question, but I don't. So, maybe you'll humor me. Why do you think God can't be proven but lesbian, gay, and queer people can? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belly Bob Posted June 4, 2023 Report Share Posted June 4, 2023 5 hours ago, HawgGoneIt said: Not sure I agree with banning the bible altogether, but, definitely move it to the fiction section until which time it can be backed up as actual nonfiction. ↳ I prefer to teach kids about stuff they will most definitely encounter in their life than some mumbo jumbo hokus pokus stuff they"ll never see. Would you say the same thing about CRT, transgenderism, institutional and systemic racism, feminism, the personhood of fetuses, the history of America or African, etc? I'm curious what standard or standards have to met for a book or theory or idea to count as something that isn't fiction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belly Bob Posted June 4, 2023 Report Share Posted June 4, 2023 5 hours ago, HawgGoneIt said: I prefer to teach kids about stuff they will most definitely encounter in their life than some mumbo jumbo hokus pokus stuff they"ll never see. ↳ Same. But I've found that people disagree about what falls into the category of what they'll encounter in life rather than hocus pocus. My own view is that much of what is being taught in the humanities and soft sciences in English speaking universities is hocus pocus. But the people who teach it have other ideas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawgGoneIt Posted June 4, 2023 Report Share Posted June 4, 2023 25 minutes ago, Belly Bob said: I'm curious why think the one is definitely real and the other isn't. Maybe you think it's a stupid question, but I don't. So, maybe you'll humor me. Why do you think God can't be proven but lesbian, gay, and queer people can? Define God. I'm just not a buyer of the Christian or most any other faith. Being that it's a faith is proof enough it can't be proven. I see gay people practically every day. They are definitely real. Tangible. You can touch them and realize they are real. You can argue the reason they are gay, but, you can't argue they aren't there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawgGoneIt Posted June 4, 2023 Report Share Posted June 4, 2023 21 minutes ago, Belly Bob said: Same. But I've found that people disagree about what falls into the category of what they'll encounter in life rather than hocus pocus. My own view is that much of what is being taught in the humanities and soft sciences in English speaking universities is hocus pocus. But the people who teach it have other ideas. I hope you run into your god. I doubt that you will, but, you seem to really want to, so, I really do hope you do. I don't necessarily love running into gays, but, it happens. At the end of the day, I'm free to walk on by and not acknowledge them, or treat them like I would any other human being. I choose the latter. I expect they have all the same inalienable rights as every other human also. No matter how much it makes the Jesus crowd act unchristian and pass stupid laws. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belly Bob Posted June 4, 2023 Report Share Posted June 4, 2023 7 minutes ago, HawgGoneIt said: Define God. God def.= the most perfect being possible. 8 minutes ago, HawgGoneIt said: I'm just not a buyer of the Christian or most any other faith. Being that it's a faith is proof enough it can't be proven. Define "faith" and "proof." The fact that faithful Christians have and continue to offer proof of God's existence is proof enough that faith in God and proofs of his existence are not incompatible. 11 minutes ago, HawgGoneIt said: I see gay people practically every day. They are definitely real. Tangible. You can touch them and realize they are real. You can argue the reason they are gay, but, you can't argue they aren't there. ↳ But I have encounters with God everyday. And I don't believe that a man can get pregnant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawgGoneIt Posted June 4, 2023 Report Share Posted June 4, 2023 9 minutes ago, Belly Bob said: God def.= the most perfect being possible. Define "faith" and "proof." The fact that faithful Christians have and continue to offer proof of God's existence is proof enough that faith in God and proofs of his existence are not incompatible. But I have encounters with God everyday. And I don't believe that a man can get pregnant. Faith means I believe in something in spite of no proof. Proof=something tangible. Mostly inarguable. I don't believe a man can get pregnant either. Idk what that has to do with the subject at hand but we agree. You believe you have encounters with god every day. Maybe not unlike a transgender believes they are the opposite sex. Idk. I can't argue either way because I suffer neither condition. You have as much right to believe that as they have the right to believe they're born in the wrong body. You both suffer the same inalienable rights. You have to coexist whether you like it or not. Same as I have to suffer you both. It is what it is. Pursue your happiness and leave theirs be. 😊 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belly Bob Posted June 4, 2023 Report Share Posted June 4, 2023 19 minutes ago, HawgGoneIt said: Faith means I believe in something in spite of no proof. Proof=something tangible. Mostly inarguable. ↳ I think I know what you mean, but I might be wrong. You believe in numbers and the properties of numbers, right? But numbers and their properties aren't tangible. So, I don't think you really believe that proof is defined in terms of tangibility. But maybe you do mean it's defined in terms of arguability. But the "mostly" qualifier makes it vague. Most things are arguable, including definitions of "proof" and "faith." People argue that the earth is flat, that the election was stolen, that the vaccine is killing countless babies. So, how much is too much? Do you just have faith that the election wasn't stolen, that the vaccine isn't killing countless babies, or are those positions mostly inarguable despite all the arguments people make? And given your definition of "proof," your definition of "faith" probably won't work. You believe in the existence of numbers and their properties, even though neither is tangible, but you wouldn't say that you have faith in them. And I suspect that the same would be true about your believe in the safety of the vaccine and the legitimacy of the election. So, I suspect you believe that "faith" means something like "no proof," but you're not quite sure what "proof" means, which means that you're not quite sure what "faith" means. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belly Bob Posted June 4, 2023 Report Share Posted June 4, 2023 23 minutes ago, HawgGoneIt said: You believe you have encounters with god every day. Maybe not unlike a transgender believes they are the opposite sex. Idk. I can't argue either way because I suffer neither condition. ↳ You have as much right to believe that as they have the right to believe they're born in the wrong body. You both suffer the same inalienable rights. You have to coexist whether you like it or not. Same as I have to suffer you both. It is what it is. Pursue your happiness and leave theirs be. 😊 ↳ I agree, but that doesn't help us decide which books should be taught as fiction and which should be taught as something else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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