Sammyswordsman Posted October 7, 2017 Report Share Posted October 7, 2017 Will be out pending the results of this afternoons game. #teaser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bestcoast Posted October 7, 2017 Report Share Posted October 7, 2017 Looking forward to it Sammy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted October 7, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 7, 2017 Tier 1 - IMG, Mater Dei, Allen, Cen10, SFA, Grayson, AHP, Ben Davis, Tier 2 - Bingham, Desoto, Central, Bishop Gorman, Katy, Judson, SJB, Centennial Az, St. Edwards, St. Ignatious, ST. Xavier, Tier 3 - Hoover, The Woodlands, Colerain, STA, Viera, DeMatha, De La Salle, SJC, SJP, Trinity Ky., Mountain Pointe, Chaminade, Lowndes, Klein Collins Tier 4 - Cocoa, Union, Cartersville, East, John Curtis, Archer, OLU, Mission Viejo, Evangel Christian, Westlake Tx, , Manvel, Walton, Buford, South Pointe, St. Louis, Jserra Tier 5 Bergen Catholic Folsom, Colquitt County, Servite, SPP, DePaul, Santa Margarita, Kahuku, Northwestern, Narbonne, Poly, Rome, *Not attempting to rank every team, only the ones we discuss on this site. *Tiers based on how teams are playing today. Not based on week 1 games etc. *Tier 1 teams can compete with any other Tier 1teams and possibly win 1+ of 10 *Basically there is a -10 point drop between tiers. Could vary from 7 to 21 depending on the styles of teams playing. *Texas teams generally have not played enough games to gauge properly yet *Tiers are based on exhaustive research, Multiple games watched, and good gut feelings. *This is a crowd sourced rating. All input will be considered and adjustments will be made as appropriate 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dntn31 Posted October 7, 2017 Report Share Posted October 7, 2017 SJB beat Chaminade (tier 2) by 14 SJB beat OLU (tier 4) by 21 Is Chaminade rated too high or OLU too low? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted October 7, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 7, 2017 2 minutes ago, dntn31 said: SJB beat Chaminade (tier 2) by 14 SJB beat OLU (tier 4) by 21 Is Chaminade rated too high or OLU too low? They are correct. There can be anywhere between a 7 point and 21 point separation between tiers. Also Chaminade is playing better than OLU right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dntn31 Posted October 7, 2017 Report Share Posted October 7, 2017 1 minute ago, Sammyswordsman said: They are correct. There can be anywhere between a 7 point and 21 point separation between tiers. Also Chaminade is playing better than OLU right now. There isn't a two tier separation between OLU and Chaminade. Head to head, I'd take Chaminade by 10. I'd also move MV up to 3 and SM up to 4. SM gave MD a much better game than BC (tier 3). JSerra also might be a stretch at 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted October 7, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 7, 2017 14 minutes ago, dntn31 said: There isn't a two tier separation between OLU and Chaminade. Head to head, I'd take Chaminade by 10. I'd also move MV up to 3 and SM up to 4. SM gave MD a much better game than BC (tier 3). JSerra also might be a stretch at 3. I watched JSerra. They are very good. I see your point about SM and BC tho. Have reevaluated and adjusted the teams you mentioned Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted October 7, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 7, 2017 7 minutes ago, GardenStateBaller said: Is BD really Tier 1 good?? Very tough to say. They have been blowing everyone out though. They have been hanging at Tier 2 all year. Thought I'd promote them to draw feedback from the locals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbiafan Posted October 8, 2017 Report Share Posted October 8, 2017 1 hour ago, Sammyswordsman said: Tier 1 - IMG, Mater Dei, Allen, Cen10, SFA, Grayson, AHP, Ben Davis, Tier 2 - Bingham, Lowndes, Desoto, Central, Bishop Gorman, Katy, Klein Collins, Manvel, Judson, SJB, Centennial Az, Westlake Tx., St. Edwards, St. Ignatious, ST. Xavier, Tier 3 - Hoover, The Woodlands, South Point, Colerain, STA, Vierra, DeMatha, JSerra, De La Salle, SJC, SJP, South Pointe, Trinity Ky., Mountain Pointe, Walton Ga, Buford, Chaminade Tier 4 - Mountain Point, Cocoa, Union, Cartersville, East, John Curtis, Archer, OLU, Mission Viejo, Evangel Christian Tier 5 Bergen Catholic Folsom, Colquitt County, Servite, SPP, DePaul, Santa Margarita, Kahuku, Northwestern, Narbonne, Poly, St. Louis, Rome, *Not attempting to rank every team, only the ones we discuss on this site. *Tiers based on how teams are playing today. Not based on week 1 games etc. *Tier 1 teams can compete with any other Tier 1teams and possibly win 1+ of 10 *Basically there is a -10 point drop between tiers. Could vary from 7 to 21 depending on the styles of teams playing. *Texas teams generally have not played enough games to gauge properly yet *Tiers are based on exhaustive research, Multiple games watched, and good gut feelings. *This is a crowd sourced rating. All input will be considered and adjustments will be made as appropriate I love this idea and giving me some ideas for doing this for Florida but i don't think lowndes should be teir 2 I'm thinking teir 4 or 5 because until they play a good team i don't think they have proven themselves to be that high, especially with some of the teams below them 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
World Citizen Posted October 8, 2017 Report Share Posted October 8, 2017 You have Mtn. Point in tier 3 and 4. St. Louis is too low imo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On2whls Posted October 8, 2017 Report Share Posted October 8, 2017 1 hour ago, Sammyswordsman said: Tier 1 - IMG, Mater Dei, Allen, Cen10, SFA, Grayson, AHP, Ben Davis, I'm as big a Cen10 fan as anyone, but I'm also realistic. Cen10 looks impressive but after IMG they haven't played anyone of note. Tier 2 at best. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted October 8, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2017 23 minutes ago, World Citizen said: You have Mtn. Point in tier 3 and 4. St. Louis is too low imo. Mountain pointe was promoted to Tier 3 (I will delete from tier 4). St. Louis struggled at home with Narbonne. Could have lost that game. When I moved Poly and Narbinne down they pulled St. Louis with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted October 8, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2017 28 minutes ago, Columbiafan said: I love this idea and giving me some ideas for doing this for Florida but i don't think lowndes should be teir 2 I'm thinking teir 4 or 5 because until they play a good team i don't think they have proven themselves to be that high, especially with some of the teams below them Agreed. Lowndes dropped to tier 3. Georgia is tough to rank cuz their top teams don't play OOS (outside of Buford) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted October 8, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2017 24 minutes ago, On2whls said: I'm as big a Cen10 fan as anyone, but I'm also realistic. Cen10 looks impressive but after IMG they haven't played anyone of note. Tier 2 at best. I'm banking that Cen10 defense is much improved. I can see them beating SJB by 10+ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodysurf Posted October 8, 2017 Report Share Posted October 8, 2017 I realize this isn’t the excuse thread but it is a damn shame that McKee got hurt for the IMG game because I really liked Cen10s chances in that game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawgGoneIt Posted October 8, 2017 Report Share Posted October 8, 2017 I think you are really lagging on Colquitt. They are likely a tier three team at this time. You have DeMatha in tier three and they would not whip Colquitt by multiple scores at all. I don't think they could even beat Colquitt for that matter, but this is your show so I'll let you turn the crank. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belly Bob Posted October 8, 2017 Report Share Posted October 8, 2017 5 minutes ago, HawgGoneIt said: I think you are really lagging on Colquitt. They are likely a tier three team at this time. You have DeMatha in tier three and they would not whip Colquitt by multiple scores at all. I don't think they could even beat Colquitt for that matter, but this is your show so I'll let you turn the crank. Is this true? I'm not trying to make trouble, and I haven't seen CC play this year, but I thought they lost recently to a fairly pedestrian team. What's the case for thinking that they are a tier three team? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belly Bob Posted October 8, 2017 Report Share Posted October 8, 2017 3 hours ago, Sammyswordsman said: *Not attempting to rank every team, only the ones we discuss on this site. *Tiers based on how teams are playing today. Not based on week 1 games etc. *Tier 1 teams can compete with any other Tier 1teams and possibly win 1+ of 10 *Basically there is a -10 point drop between tiers. Could vary from 7 to 21 depending on the styles of teams playing. *Texas teams generally have not played enough games to gauge properly yet *Tiers are based on exhaustive research, Multiple games watched, and good gut feelings. *This is a crowd sourced rating. All input will be considered and adjustments will be made as appropriate This is a better way to rank teams, that is, by tiers. I wish more of our people would spend time ranking teams in this way rather than in the standard 1-n model. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawgGoneIt Posted October 8, 2017 Report Share Posted October 8, 2017 I'm only going by Sammy's criteria that each tier would lose to the next up by 10. That means he thinks the likes of Cocoa would even score 10 on Colquitt as they're a tier above. Then according to the same criteria, Buford would put a 20 point whoopin' on Colquitt. Y'all done lost your minds if you think that. Archer vs. Colquitt would be a barn burner at this point in the season. Certainly Colquitt wouldn't be a 20 point dog to Buford. Etc. etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted October 8, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2017 1 minute ago, Belly Bob said: This is a better way to rank teams, that is, by tiers. I wish more of our people would spend time ranking teams in this way rather than in the standard 1-n model. The tiers would also make for great playoff matchups. To see who could win their tier. A tier 3 team may get blown out of their playoffs by a tier 1 team, but the tier 3 team should not necessarily end up being ranked below an undefeated tier 4 or 5 team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted October 8, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2017 1 minute ago, HawgGoneIt said: I'm only going by Sammy's criteria that each tier would lose to the next up by 10. That means he thinks the likes of Cocoa would even score 10 on Colquitt as they're a tier above. Then according to the same criteria, Buford would put a 20 point whoopin' on Colquitt. Y'all done lost your minds if you think that. Archer vs. Colquitt would be a barn burner at this point in the season. Certainly Colquitt wouldn't be a 20 point dog. Etc. etc. I don't intend to have someone add up point differentials between tiers, although a tier 1 team is capable of beating a tier 5 team by 45. The better way is to only compare 1 tier up or down. For example, I would argue that Mission Viejo would beat Colquitt by 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawgGoneIt Posted October 8, 2017 Report Share Posted October 8, 2017 neutral field [2017] Buford (GA) 28, [2017] Colquitt County (Moultrie, GA) 21 And that's a damn lie too, but, whatever. neutral field [2017] Colquitt County (Moultrie, GA) 22, [2017] Archer (Lawrenceville, GA) 21 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawgGoneIt Posted October 8, 2017 Report Share Posted October 8, 2017 1 minute ago, Sammyswordsman said: I don't intend to have someone add up point differentials between tiers, although a tier 1 team is capable of beating a tier 5 team by 45. The better way is to only compare 1 tier up or down. For example, I would argue that Mission Viejo would beat Colquitt by 10 I already blew through the tier above Colquitt. Joke stuff man. Another damn lie... Just ask Rab if this would happen! neutral field [2017] Cartersville (GA) 31, [2017] Colquitt County (Moultrie, GA) 28 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted October 8, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2017 4 minutes ago, HawgGoneIt said: neutral field [2017] Buford (GA) 28, [2017] Colquitt County (Moultrie, GA) 21 And that's a damn lie too, but, whatever. neutral field [2017] Colquitt County (Moultrie, GA) 22, [2017] Archer (Lawrenceville, GA) 21 Colquits County problem is only beating Norcross by 3 points, the same margin as Parkview beat them. A loss to an unranked team, and an inexplicable struggle are anchors holding them down. Other Tier 5 teams have better credentials too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hardhit1 Posted October 8, 2017 Report Share Posted October 8, 2017 2 minutes ago, HawgGoneIt said: I already blew through the tier above Colquitt. Joke stuff man. Another damn lie... Just ask Rab if this would happen! neutral field [2017] Cartersville (GA) 31, [2017] Colquitt County (Moultrie, GA) 28 Is that Calpreps? this is tiers !😀 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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