florida trying it's best to reign supreme as the worst state in the country.

[badrouter]

22 hours ago, Atticus Finch said:

Nothing to see here.

Civilian police oversight in Florida crumbles after new law kicks in

The law assures that only law enforcement agencies will investigate reports of misconduct by law enforcement officers. It blocks outside civilian review boards from performing oversight in such investigations, moves civilian panels under the control of Florida police chiefs and sheriffs, and requires that at least one panelist must be a retired law enforcement officer.

This appears to be yet another battle of the extremes, which ensures that EVERYONE loses. Of course it's ludicrous for one body to be the sole evaluator of itself. BUT, it's also ludicrous for some group of radical lunatics who want to abolish the police to effectively supervise the police. We need to find reasonable people with genuine concern for excesses of all kinds to be on a board to oversee police. Consistently finding enough such people will be a very tricky process. Because, as I said, the kind of person who is most adamant about serving on such a board has almost certainly been indoctrinated into the cult of radical beliefs, one of which is that they want to abolish the police.  Just as Betsy DeVoss should never have been education secretary (she actually wants to abolish the dept. of education), radical "abolitionist" activists shouldn't be put in charge of supervising police.

[Atticus Finch]

3 minutes ago, badrouter said:

BUT, it's also ludicrous for some group of radical lunatics who want to abolish the police to effectively supervise the police. 

But of course you're taking extreme examples and exaggerating to a crazy degree.

Per usual.

[badrouter]

On 1/9/2025 at 9:01 AM, Atticus Finch said:

But of course you're taking extreme examples and exaggerating to a crazy degree.

Per usual.

In urban centers where activists want to implement boards to supervise the police, the overwhelming majority of people clamoring to be on the board WILL BE police and jail abolitionists. That is the ascendent ideology among radicals in urban centers in the 2020s. It's true that it doesn't HAVE to be that way, and that you could fairly easily construct a board with few or no abolitionists. BUT, you'd have to be careful and thorough in vetting who might get to serve on such a board. The simple point here is that there needs to be a well-developed process by which people are allowed to serve or not on such boards, not to mention limitations and supervision on the boards themselves. A proposal for such boards that does not demonstrate such a thorough vetting process and/or include limitations in power and oversight for the board and its members should be opposed.

It reminds me of the "fact checker" and "misinformation expert" bullshit we've been dealing with for several years. There is no agreed upon process by which one qualifies as a "fact checker" or "misinformation expert" So, we just ended up with deeply partisan leftist activists jumping in and declaring themselves to be "experts" in these areas so they can censor those with insufficiently leftist viewpoints. 

[Atticus Finch]

16 hours ago, badrouter said:

In urban centers where activists want to implement boards to supervise the police, the overwhelming majority of people clamoring to be on the board WILL BE police and jail abolitionists. That is the ascendent ideology among radicals in urban centers in the 2020s. It's true that it doesn't HAVE to be that way, and that you could fairly easily construct a board with few or no abolitionists. BUT, you'd have to be careful and thorough in vetting who might get to serve on such a board. The simple point here is that there needs to be a well-developed process by which people are allowed to serve or not on such boards, not to mention limitations and supervision on the boards themselves. A proposal for such boards that does not demonstrate such a thorough vetting process and/or include limitations in power and oversight for the board and its members should be opposed.

It reminds me of the "fact checker" and "misinformation expert" bullshit we've been dealing with for several years. There is no agreed upon process by which one qualifies as a "fact checker" or "misinformation expert" So, we just ended up with deeply partisan leftist activists jumping in and declaring themselves to be "experts" in these areas so they can censor those with insufficiently leftist viewpoints. 

We don't need a treatise to know that you're going to hand wave one argument and stroke the shaft of the other.

[Atticus Finch]

In other news, water is wet.

ACLU sues Florida Gov. DeSantis for not calling special elections for state House and Senate seats

The American Civil Liberties Union filed a lawsuit Thursday accusing Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis of failing to fulfill his constitutional obligation to call special elections for two seats in the state House and Senate.

[Crusader12-0]

28 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said:

In other news, water is wet.

ACLU sues Florida Gov. DeSantis for not calling special elections for state House and Senate seats

I don’t give two craps about what the Anti Conservative Liberal Union has to say. 

[Atticus Finch]

2 hours ago, Crusader12-0 said:

I don’t give two craps about what the Anti Conservative Liberal Union has to say. 

How cute.

Did you think of that all by yourself?

[Nolebull813]

3 hours ago, Atticus Finch said:

In other news, water is wet.

ACLU sues Florida Gov. DeSantis for not calling special elections for state House and Senate seats

The American Civil Liberties Union filed a lawsuit Thursday accusing Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis of failing to fulfill his constitutional obligation to call special elections for two seats in the state House and Senate.

This is a self-own showing the ACLU is a partisan propaganda machine

[badrouter]

8 hours ago, Atticus Finch said:

We don't need a treatise to know that you're going to hand wave one argument and stroke the shaft of the other.

There's only one shaft on the planet that I stroke.

🤪

[badrouter]

8 hours ago, Atticus Finch said:

In other news, water is wet.

ACLU sues Florida Gov. DeSantis for not calling special elections for state House and Senate seats

The American Civil Liberties Union filed a lawsuit Thursday accusing Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis of failing to fulfill his constitutional obligation to call special elections for two seats in the state House and Senate.

A far leftist shyster organization goes after a major figure on the right? Color me SHOCKED.

[badrouter]

8 hours ago, Atticus Finch said:

In other news, water is wet.

ACLU sues Florida Gov. DeSantis for not calling special elections for state House and Senate seats

The American Civil Liberties Union filed a lawsuit Thursday accusing Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis of failing to fulfill his constitutional obligation to call special elections for two seats in the state House and Senate.

F.I.R.E is the organization reasonable people should support. That's why I'm a paying supporter. The ACLU has been compromised for a good decade now. Now, they wouldn't argue in a court of law that people have a right to vote for Republicans. They wouldn't argue against a case of compelled speech if the speech went against radical, far leftist extremist ideology. They are basically no different than the Southern Poverty Law Center. Want to see examples of people who hold the sort of radical ideas I've posted here, that you claim are "tin foil hat" stuff? Speak with people who work for the ACLU or SPLC. I bet a majority want to abolish capitalism, the police, jails and the sex binary...

[I AM IRONMAN]

1 hour ago, badrouter said:

There's only one shaft on the planet that I stroke.

🤪

Me thinks Andy the Dandy was hitting on you.  Mom and dad play bingo Thursday nights so you might get an invite to his basement lair.

oh Andy the next 4-12 years are going to be so great…especially on here.

[Atticus Finch]

15 hours ago, Nolebull813 said:

This is a self-own showing the ACLU is a partisan propaganda machine

The suit represents two Floridians who live in Republican districts.

What's always funny about clowns like you is that you always attack the messenger even in cases where there's no opinion involved.

The ACLU isn't saying that DeSantis hasn't called for special elections. DeSantis literally hasn't called for special elections. It's a fact.

This is like that time you whined about MeidasTouch as if they were the ones who created the fake agency, DOGE.

[Atticus Finch]

10 hours ago, badrouter said:

A far leftist shyster organization goes after a major figure on the right? Color me SHOCKED.

As if we needed more proof that badrouter is a craven partisan hack.

The ACLU is non-partisan and has defended people like Rush Limbaugh when they've gotten in trouble. They've also filed briefs on behalf of Neo-Nazi groups and the Westboro Baptist Church.

Your take is just lazy and stupid.

Or what we've come to expect from you.

[Atticus Finch]

10 hours ago, badrouter said:

F.I.R.E is the organization reasonable people should support. 

I follow them on Twitter.

Has nothing to do with your stupid and ignorant take on the ACLU. 

FIRE is merely a free speech organization. They don't have the resources nor scope of the ACLU and don't concern themselves with civil liberties in general. 

You're a clown.

Plain and simple.

[I AM IRONMAN]

Breathe Andy, all is well. You 66 and Ferret face should start a TDS support group…it “may” help!

[Nolebull813]

This piece of shit is asking about Liz Cheney when his states crime is through the roof! 
 

 

[badrouter]

13 hours ago, Atticus Finch said:

As if we needed more proof that badrouter is a craven partisan hack.

The ACLU WAS non-partisan and has defended people like Rush Limbaugh when they've gotten in trouble. They've also filed briefs on behalf of Neo-Nazi groups and the Westboro Baptist Church.

Your take is just lazy and stupid.

Or what we've come to expect from you.

Fixed your post.

I specifically said they had been compromised "for a good decade now'. I think you caught it, knew you were in a bind, and decided to cite the cases you cited anyway in hopes that I wouldn't call them out. For the record, no, 2004 is NOT within the last decade. Nor is 1977 or even 2010.

To be crystal clear, the allegation is the ACLU has become compromised by radical far leftist extremist ideology...within roughly the last 10 years. This devolution is consistent with similar institutional captures such as the legacy media, academia and large swaths of the entertainment industry. We saw high profile cases involving the police, MASSIVE propaganda projects by radicals revolving around those cases (there are still many people who sincerely believe the lie that Michael Brown peacfully held his hands up and begged police not to shoot him!), and the newly exploding social media spaces for their propaganda to be made "viral". All that allowed radicals in places like universities to guilt/shame reasonable people into trumpeting their cause, as well as advance into leadership roles within those orgs. 

Whatever the cause, the massive shifts in partisan leftist ideological capture are relatively recent deveiopments. We can't look at historical work by organizations and hold it up alongside the work of today. It'd be like me saying Lakeland is totally better than STA and cite results from 2004-2006 as my evidence.

[badrouter]

13 hours ago, Atticus Finch said:

I follow them on Twitter.

Has nothing to do with your stupid and ignorant take on the ACLU. 

FIRE is merely a free speech organization. They don't have the resources nor scope of the ACLU and don't concern themselves with civil liberties in general. 

You're a clown.

Plain and simple.

FIRE needs, and deserves, support from reasonable people. We need them. Because the ACLU is compromised.

The following quote was pulled from social media, where it was posted by a person who was 38 years old, and who had possessed a law degree for ten years prior to the post:

"Also stopping the circulation of this book and these ideas is 100% a hill I will die on."

Who says such a thing?

A) a person who is deeply concerned about the civil liberties of Americans?

B) a person with values antithetical to the Constitution and an authoritarian streak?

I suppose, if you're desperate enough, you could say the above choice is difficult and could be debated. What isn't debatable?

The person who made the above quote is someone who has spent the last twelve years as one of the more prominent lawyers at the ACLU, and is the lead attorney for the ACLU in a case currently before the Supreme Court. Chase Strangio.

[concha]

Damn... poor Andy.

If he wasn't such a total tool, I'd feel sorry for him. 😂

 

[Atticus Finch]

15 hours ago, Nolebull813 said:

This piece of shit is asking about Liz Cheney when his states crime is through the roof! 

This is called a dodge.

Par for the course for Pam Bondi who spent her entire time as AG of Florida losing cases and not prosecuting actual criminals like Donald Trump.

[Atticus Finch]

15 hours ago, Nolebull813 said:

This piece of shit is asking about Liz Cheney when his states crime is through the roof! 

Also, you know what's coming.

Crime in California is currently near historical lows.

Not that he had anything to do with it since he's a federal official, but the crime rate is now lower than it was before Schiff came into office (2001).

Womp, wooooomp.

[Atticus Finch]

12 hours ago, badrouter said:

Fixed your post.

So you lied.

Gotcha.

[Atticus Finch]

12 hours ago, badrouter said:

I specifically said they had been compromised "for a good decade now'. I think you caught it, knew you were in a bind, and decided to cite the cases you cited anyway in hopes that I wouldn't call them out. For the record, no, 2004 is NOT within the last decade. Nor is 1977 or even 2010.

We don't need any other examples of your descent into buffoonery.

You think they're "partisan" now because the people who've needed their civil liberties defended in the last decade are overwhelmingly gay/lesbian/trans/women/black people and not those whom you would consider Republican.

But it's a fact that they've defended the Klan, the Neo-Nazi's, Rush Limbaugh and other deplorables. They've defended and/or argued in plenty of cases that were non-partisan.

[Atticus Finch]

12 hours ago, badrouter said:

To be crystal clear, the allegation is the ACLU has become compromised by radical far leftist extremist ideology...within roughly the last 10 years. 

We get it.

All you do is repeat claims and never actually support said claims with evidence.

Par for the course.

You've taken quite well to your new surroundings.